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And somehow, my state will relect this asshat again.

At 11/1/06 01:55 PM, stafffighter wrote: He failed to find wmds in Iraq or capture Bin Laden like he said he would in speeches. Now we care about the Iraqi people and the other guys a figurehead. *nervous smile*

Whatever the situation was with the wmd's in Iraq, let me say this; if Bush was wrong about Saddam having them, then he wasn't the only one wrong. I'm not fond of how Bush has handled the situation with Osama, but at the same time I have no valid reason to believe that he is alive either.

Bush has caused a good deal of damage to the image of the Republican party in the long run, I won't deny that. But I wonder what effect Kerry's screwup will have on the Democratic party in the short run, especially so close to the mid term elections.

I've recently seen these adds on TV, one for new jersey.

Basically, they have the republican runner saying that he will support the Republican party.

Then they bring an attack on him, not personally, but on Bush, saying that because he''s a republican, he supports all of these.

I'm astounded by the general stupidity and partisan politics playing there.

At 11/1/06 02:46 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

I'm astounded by the general stupidity and partisan politics playing there.

I didn't know they still made turnip trucks such as the one you recently fell from.

I'm glad the troops in Iraq have a sense of humor.

It's my opinion that he may have really been joking. If he was there's no need to apologise.

At 11/1/06 01:01 PM, stafffighter wrote: He didn't say anything that wasen't true and if he apologised when he didn't mean it that would be flip flopping.

What his statement implied about the level of education of our troops is false considering that people in the US Army have above-normal levels of education for people of their age group. The reason for such above-normal levels of education is that the army specifically targets college students.

Also, why can't he mean it when he apoligizes? It is easy; he apoligizes for statements that, at face value, make false and very offensive statements about a group of people, then gives a sincere and non-combative explanation of the intended meaning of his statements. This is probably what I would do. Kerry is just being stupid and thinks that if he goes on the attack that he can somehow turn it around. He probably will not be able to, and he is actually just drawing the whole ordeal out.

His comment does sound like a joke, but still, it was in bad taste. He already apologized. There IS some truth to what he said though. The most highly-educated and wealthiest people in the country don't end up in te front lines of Iraq and there is no disputing that. Of course, that should not imply that all soldiers are mal-educated just the ones who are doing stupid things like Lyndie and her ilk.

Howcome democrats didn't make a huge deal of this slip up? http://images.google..en&q=bush+finger The picture with the blue background is the only legitimate one. The other photos are doctored. And please don't say "omg u guggglad da pic an iz fake cuz ish on google n shite!"

I wouldn't be suprised that my countrys military is uneducated by terms of school and standard curriculum, but how long does a soldier spend doing military training?

or stupid people send soldiers to Iraq (go kerry)

At 11/1/06 07:07 PM, Grammer wrote: "

I'll provide a source as soon as someone tries to prove that the American military is generally uneducated.

...

Or you could just provide your proof now and thus negate the other assertion.

At 11/1/06 07:41 PM, stafffighter wrote:

At 11/1/06 07:07 PM, Grammer wrote: "

I'll provide a source as soon as someone tries to prove that the American military is generally uneducated.

Or you could just provide your proof now and thus negate the other assertion.

He doesn't really need to because its a pretty well known fact. Nowadays you have to have a high school diploma to enlist in the military (or a GED and equivalent), and you HAVE to receive college education to be a commissioned officer. The same is not true for alot of other western militaries, and almost NO militaries in other parts of the world require a comparable level of education.

Now, consider the fact that only 85% of Americans ages 25 and older have a highschool diploma (higher than in Canada, so nobody talk shit), and now you HAVE to have a highschool diploma or equivalent in the US military, its easy to see that American military personnel have a higher rate of education than average Americans (let alone average westerners).

At 11/1/06 05:20 PM, Grammer wrote:

No, there really isn't. I just heard on Fox News that 97.5% of our military are College grads. I'll look up a source soon.

wow yeah thats ure bullshit.

I think a war veteran has the right to make remarks about the military - senator or not.

I didn't find the 'joke' particulary insulting or harmful, but perhaps a bit misplaced. The republicans are severely overreacting though, they remind me of Jack Thompson during the Hot Coffee-"scandal".

At 11/1/06 08:18 PM, Athlas wrote: I think a war veteran has the right to make remarks about the military - senator or not.

He has the rights to make the remarks, he also has the right to suffer the consequences because of it.

But serioulsy, when you have Mcain bitching you because of it, you better damm listen.

At 11/1/06 08:20 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 11/1/06 08:18 PM, Athlas wrote: I think a war veteran has the right to make remarks about the military - senator or not.

He has the rights to make the remarks, he also has the right to suffer the consequences because of it.

Obviously. I'm beginning to think the situation in the US is a bit too delicate for its own good.

But serioulsy, when you have Mcain bitching you because of it, you better damm listen.

I googled the name, but couldn't get a clear picture. Could you explain to me who Mcain is?

At 11/1/06 08:29 PM, Athlas wrote:

At 11/1/06 08:20 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 11/1/06 08:18 PM, Athlas wrote:

I googled the name, but couldn't get a clear picture. Could you explain to me who Mcain is?

I can never spell his name right.

John Mccain

Senator for Arizona.

Fighter pilot in Vientam, captured and stuck in the Hanio Hilton for five years.

Graduated from U.S. Naval Accademy.

At 11/1/06 08:31 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

John Mccain

What's so important about him?

At 11/1/06 06:11 PM, mofomojo wrote: I would also like to note how President Bush has been screwing up his own speeches saying stupid nonsensical and offensive shit for over six years and never - EVER - has his statements recieved this kind of attention.

You dont watch to much Leno or Saturday Night Live or Letterman or, well, hell, pretty much any kind of TV do you?

yeah, even tho the military pays for education.

Way to go Kerry! You're one to talk considering you got a lower grade... in the same school as Bush.

What the fuck?

He was joking about Bush. How fucking stupid can you guys get?

The point is, if your in politics and all that shit you should not make dumb statements like that. To say that our soldiers are uneducated is wrong and stupid. They do not let you in the army if your not at a certain level of education, most people are there due to patriotism and the belief of a free nation. I vote that we shut the fuck up about this kerry shit because we are never going to hear the end of this shit on the news.

And honestly, who in their right mind is gonna call a US soldier uneducated?

You conservatives must be the stupidest bunch of fucks I've ever seen.

At 11/1/06 08:36 PM, Athlas wrote:

At 11/1/06 08:31 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

John Mccain

What's so important about him?

Well hes probably going to be the Republican nominee for President in 2008. He is a wildcard because he is liked and supported by alot of Americans, not just Republicans. He has publicly criticized Bush in alot of areas, yet isn't a liberal-fellating Democrat and therefore just does what he thinks is right, I believe, regardless of his political affiliation.

Mccain is a moderate Republican. He's not too liberal, not too conservative. Therefore he would be likely to win the Presidential election because he would garner votes from both sides of the political spectrum. And Democrat politicans are as scared as hell of him because he would likely receive the vote from alot of Americans who usually vote for Democrats.

People think that if he wins the Republican nomination for President that he would ask current Secretary of State Condolleeza Rice to be Vice President who is African American, and this would negate the under-the-radar compaign techniques of Democrats who suggest to their voters covertly that Republicans are racist and sexist and so forth.

Basically, according to alot of political analysts. John Mccain simply will not lose the Presidential race if he keeps his nose clean until 2008. Then if you add Condoleeza Rice to the picture, the Democrats would basically be running a fruitless campaign because alot of their potentional voters would vote for Mccain.

Thats what most people believe it atleast.

At 11/1/06 09:11 PM, MegalomaniacVirus wrote: And honestly, who in their right mind is gonna call a US soldier uneducated?

The same politician that said publicly that US soldiers terrorize women and children in the dead of night for no reason. John Kerry.

1) Is anyone actually mad about this? I mean, I thought it was funny, funny how stupid it was to say that. But am I mad or outraged or whatever? No. I doubt he was trying to take a jab at the troops or Bush, it was just a crappy joke he shouldnt have said.

2) It is McCain. Mc-Cain. The fucking C is capitalized. Fenrus, you of all people should know this considering you are Scotch, no?

At 10/31/06 09:02 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: "You know, education - if you make the most of it - you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq," he said."

John Kerry made this remark while speaking at a college in California this week. Many veteran groups, soldiers, and of course Republicans are calling for an apology. Sen. John McCain calls it an insult. Kerry says it was just a botched joke.

After Tony Snow condemned the remark, Kerry said, "I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium."

Should Kerry apologize?

If I ever become a politician, I'm going to be honest. Yes, but only because the elections are next week. The Democrats practically deserve the House and Senate, and Kerry should mess up their chances at the last moment.

As for Kerry's statement regarding the soldiers, I think it has some truth, sadly. Many soldiers are just students who are too poor to pay for college.

This is sort of unfair mind you, because this means that there is a disproportionate amount of poor people in the armed forces. My grandfather joined the Navy to pay for his college, mind you.

At least it seems that the Republicans are getting desperate at their last moments, as they are attacking mispoken phrases from Democrats. Normally this wouldn't be as significant, but Bush is known for mispeaking mind you.

At 11/1/06 05:19 PM, EnragedSephiroth wrote: Howcome democrats didn't make a huge deal of this slip up? http://images.google..en&q=bush+finger The picture with the blue background is the only legitimate one. The other photos are doctored. And please don't say "omg u guggglad da pic an iz fake cuz ish on google n shite!"

Probably because no one gives a fuck. Moreover, that was shot years ago, before Bush even ran for President, whereas Kerry said this just a few days ago.

i think what he said is true...supposedly the war is suppose to go on till 2010 and if you're 18 or over...(obviously) will get drafted unless of course your in college. Or doing something important in your life. like something that matters

of course he should