Majority rules... or what?

[Graf-Wichmann]

"Because you're the majority, and doesn't understand how it feels to be... etc."

Yeah, people like me probably form the majority of my soceity, and it won't change. The US is an entirely different matter.Being in the majority comes with advantages, like being taken for granted, and it comes with disadvantages, like being accused of opressing everyone else .
Never mind the possibility of it happening: What would happen, if the "gringo" majority eventually became the minority? So far, latinos have had the opportunity to demand rights, on account of being a minority. But if that should change, then what?
And be nice, please. I want a serious discussion.

[JudgeDredd]

At 10/30/06 01:48 PM, Graf-Wichmann wrote: "..because you're the majority, and don't understand how it feels to be..."

It's a touchy subject, but here goes...

When 2 or more minorities make up over 50% of a populous they become a numerical majority which has combined strength IF they each share any similarities of cultural diversity.

In such a multicultural mixed populous (people's MMP if you will) differences such as language and traditions CAN weigh more heavily than just ethnicity, to an extent that the "majority" may feel some inferiority to those cultural differences.

In America for example, people of African decent (colors/blacks) have mostly been stripped of all cultural traits (with rare execption) and their point of difference becomes merely skin deep. But in most other ethnic groups (latinos, asians, eastern, european, indians, islanders, and africans, etc) language and cultural diversity remain as a kind of common bond, especially when compared to a homogenized (gernerally white) english speaking western group. In the world melting-pot of mixed races, adherence to cultural heritage could be the greatest defining factor.

And then there's also religion..

[Tancrisism]

At 10/31/06 11:04 PM, I7REI7I7 wrote: And then there's also religion..

Definately. Racially, I'm part of the vast majority in the US, but according to my "religion" I'm considerred part of a small minority.

[Begoner]

I really doubt there would be any major changes except in the structure of society. People are people, and in the US, all races have the same rights.

[Neoptolemus]

At 11/1/06 03:12 PM, Begoner wrote: in the US, all races have the same rights.

Except if you're from Asian decent (Western Asia that is)

[cellardoor6]

At 11/1/06 04:31 PM, neoptolemus wrote:

At 11/1/06 03:12 PM, Begoner wrote: in the US, all races have the same rights.

Except if you're from Asian decent (Western Asia that is)

How do people from Western Asia not have the same rights? I think you're going to have to pull something out of your ass to verify that claim. Either that or repeat some bullshit bit of left-wing propaganda.

[Tancrisism]

At 11/1/06 04:46 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: How do people from Western Asia not have the same rights? I think you're going to have to pull something out of your ass to verify that claim. Either that or repeat some bullshit bit of left-wing propaganda.

How do you never fail to see everything from only one side? Neither side could ever be 100% wrong, and neither side could ever be 100% right. It's just not possible.

[EnragedSephiroth]

The basis of making decisions on "majority rules" only is not always the best way to make decisions, but hey that's the way this system is designed. Luckily for us, we have courts which can make decisions not based on majority rules.

It becomes difficult for certain people to have any say or be at any advantages becaus they may sit on more than 1 minority axis. How about a lesbian african-ameican woman? She has 3 areas where she's a minority in power. Then there's an asian man who is bhuddist and communist. He would have much less of a say in things than the majority. In a sense it portrays to the minority in question the idea that "you're not like everyone else, therefore you are less important."

[Raguel]

At 11/1/06 04:46 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

How do people from Western Asia not have the same rights? I think you're going to have to pull something out of your ass to verify that claim. Either that or repeat some bullshit bit of left-wing propaganda.

Well, in all fairness I know where he's coming from. All Western Asian people are generally feared as terrorists because of the current 'axis of evil' (which, by the way, is a hilarious name for it) that's going on.

It wasn't so long ago that all of us Irish people were the terrorists. If they heard your accent getting on a plane, you were searched. And it was blatant targeting.

However, we did accept. We understood when going on an innocent flight that there were other innocent people there who felt afraid and we accepted that and accepted that we had to be searched, which is where the difference is.

The Asians are a different skin colour and so a majority of them blame it on racism which they shouldn't do. We knew we were targeted and we knew why and so do you. It's not nice and it's not fair, but that's life. If you have nothing to hide then you shouldn't be worried. If it went further than just being checked on aeroplanes then I'd back you 100%, nobody's rights should be violated but there's no point in making things 'fair' by also searching 60 year old grannies from Somerset on their way out on a holiday and therefore holding up the flight for 10 times longer than it would have been.

[cellardoor6]

At 11/1/06 06:10 PM, Raguel wrote:

At 11/1/06 04:46 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

How do people from Western Asia not have the same rights? I think you're going to have to pull something out of your ass to verify that claim. Either that or repeat some bullshit bit of left-wing propaganda.

Well, in all fairness I know where he's coming from. All Western Asian people are generally feared as terrorists because of the current 'axis of evil' (which, by the way, is a hilarious name for it) that's going on.

Having some people fear you doesn't mean your rights are being trampled on. No Western Asian people are having their rights stripped away from them by the government or the people. If the majority of a society want to 'fear' Western Asians than they can do that all they want, because the government can't force people to be tolerant. To erase intolerance you would have to take away the rights of people who CHOOSE to be intolerant.

It wasn't so long ago that all of us Irish people were the terrorists. If they heard your accent getting on a plane, you were searched. And it was blatant targeting.

I can understand why people didn't like that but you have to understand. The perpetrators of 9/11 were all Arabs, and the attempted perpetrators of the recent plan to blow up cross-Altantic flights were also arab.

It's not discrimination or racial profiling when you are trying to SAVE PEOPLE'S lives. Whats more important. If the police had a tip that a fat white man was about to bomb something, they would search all the fat white men in sight, then nobody would cry bloody murder. Therefore since the police have profiles out for certain Arabs, then it is entirely reasonable that they search Arabs considering the TERRORISTS that have bombed Madrid, London, New York, and the ones who were arrested for planning to bomb other places WERE ALL ARABS.

It's a sad thing that it has come to that, but its perfectly reasonable. And what is more important? Protecting the lives of innocent people at all costs, or protecting the feelings of a few innocent people who happen to share the racial profile of terrorists and the majority of potentional terrorists?

I'm sure that if there was some sort of device that allowed officials to detect TERRORISTS and only terrorists, they wouldn't have the need or desire to irritate a few Western Asians civilians. But that is impossible so they will continue to use profiling as a logical, yet ugly method of preventing terror attacks.

Big fucking deal.

[Raguel]

At 11/1/06 06:55 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

Well, in all fairness I know where he's coming from. All Western Asian people are generally feared as terrorists because of the current 'axis of evil' (which, by the way, is a hilarious name for it) that's going on.

Having some people fear you doesn't mean your rights are being trampled on. No Western Asian people are having their rights stripped away from them by the government or the people. If the majority of a society want to 'fear' Western Asians than they can do that all they want, because the government can't force people to be tolerant. To erase intolerance you would have to take away the rights of people who CHOOSE to be intolerant.

I never said that their rights were being trampled on.

It wasn't so long ago that all of us Irish people were the terrorists. If they heard your accent getting on a plane, you were searched. And it was blatant targeting.

And then you went on to argue with what is written above.

Why I'm even responding to this is beyond me because you obviously read this far and decided to reply without reading the rest of what I wrote or else you decided to blatantly rip off what i said and use it as your own.

I said that we accepted it and I said that it was profiling. There's no reason to dispute me with the exact same argument.

I can't help but ask.......are you stupid?