Evolution helps "The Bible" ideas

[MegalomaniacVirus]

So I've gotten a lot of people that tell me, "Evolution is a sin and it's concept is absolute shit." In my area, evolution IS the devil. But I've thought of something that may change your mind.

Let's look at race. The more we look at the differences of race, the more we find out how similar we are. Scientists have said that race has depended on genetics and sunlight.

So evolution says that we evolve from past species and that we adapt to the environment arounds us. Keep this in mind for the idea that might blow you away.

People try to claim that we are descendants of Adam and Eve, but if you know the Bible you know that the correct term should be we are descendants of Noah (because God flooded the earth and the only people left where the animals on the ark and his family). From an athiests point of view, how could all these different races spawn from one family? Are you telling me tha Noah's family has Chinese, mexican, black, and white looking people? But what if his family spread across the continent and EVOLVED through time and adapted to their environment (like the Africans that adapted to the desert weather and that scientists say causes their blacks skin)?

And what about the arc? There's no way that Noah could fit all those animals on an arc? But what if he took one species of bird and that one species evolved into the millions of ones we have now?

[Jesus-made-me-do-it]

You get 10/10 for effort.

But something like that over several thousand years? it would take millions.

[Chymeraxe]

This topic = success

Good effort in thiniking of the theory, Gj

[Neoptolemus]

At 10/29/06 01:24 PM, MegalomaniacVirus wrote: So I've gotten a lot of people that tell me, "Evolution is a sin and it's concept is absolute shit." In my area, evolution IS the devil. But I've thought of something that may change your mind.

In your area? Where do you live? Vatican city?

Let's look at race. The more we look at the differences of race, the more we find out how similar we are. Scientists have said that race has depended on genetics and sunlight.

Really you should say each race is dependent on genetics and climate, not necessarily sunlight.

People try to claim that we are descendants of Adam and Eve, but if you know the Bible you know that the correct term should be we are descendants of Noah (because God flooded the earth and the only people left where the animals on the ark and his family)

Ah but doesn't the bible say that Mankind comes from Adam and Eve and thus Noah is the decendent of Adam while we are decendents of them both.

From an athiests point of view, how could all these different races spawn from one family?

Races exist due to many number of things.. These include slight genetic mutations caused my adaptation, inbreeding etc.

Are you telling me tha Noah's family has Chinese, mexican, black, and white looking people? But what if his family spread across the continent and EVOLVED through time and adapted to their environment (like the Africans that adapted to the desert weather and that scientists say causes their blacks skin)?

Well, if you think about it, between 85 and 75,000 years ago humans first left Africa and migrated to different parts of the world (keep in mind the distance between continents was different) and they eventually adapted to differing climates and became slightely different to another race because of this and inbreeding.

And what about the arc? There's no way that Noah could fit all those animals on an arc? But what if he took one species of bird and that one species evolved into the millions of ones we have now?

The thing is it wouldn't be logical to assume that all the different species of birds came from one single species. While they may ultimately share common ancestors (to a point) it's alot like saying that on the arc the only mammals there were dogs and every other mammal evolved from that.
Just for general interest the common ancestor of all species of birds is ultimately theropod dinosaurs

[Dash-Underscore-Dash]

At 10/29/06 02:00 PM, neoptolemus wrote:

At 10/29/06 01:24 PM, MegalomaniacVirus wrote: So I've gotten a lot of people that tell me, "Evolution is a sin and it's concept is absolute shit." In my area, evolution IS the devil. But I've thought of something that may change your mind.

In your area? Where do you live? Vatican city?

The pope himself once said, "Evolution is more than just a theory."

[Neoptolemus]

At 10/29/06 03:17 PM, Dash-Underscore-Dash wrote: The pope himself once said, "Evolution is more than just a theory."

Really? Damn i'm impressed.

[SolInvictus]

At 10/29/06 03:54 PM, neoptolemus wrote: Really? Damn i'm impressed.

it seems that creationism is more of an evangelical thing as opposed to Catholic or Orthodox.

[fli]

At 10/29/06 03:58 PM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote:

At 10/29/06 03:54 PM, neoptolemus wrote: Really? Damn i'm impressed.

it seems that creationism is more of an evangelical thing as opposed to Catholic or Orthodox.

My mother is Roman Catholic and quite a bit on the Conservative side,
and she believes that Creationism isn't in the Bible than it isn't part of it.

I believe in the same.
It's either this or that... don't try to mix the two because you can't cope having your spiritual beliefs challanged. If one has faith, that one will continue having faith in God despite of anything. Creationism is the result of people who lack in faith, and are desperate enough to bend reality to cope with it.

[Peter-II]

Really, if I was a Christian I'd just accept the ceation hymn etc. in Genesis to be a metaphor, disassociate myself with the anti-science bullshit and continue with my life.

I personally don't like your theory.

[Neoptolemus]

At 10/29/06 03:58 PM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote:

At 10/29/06 03:54 PM, neoptolemus wrote: Really? Damn i'm impressed.

it seems that creationism is more of an evangelical thing as opposed to Catholic or Orthodox.

Ah yes.. Then it appears the USA is on its own for defying scientific fact.. I mean there's even tons of Muslim clerics that say that the Qur'an can be interpretted to include the existence of the big bang and evolution.

[blackdragon2190]

At 10/29/06 05:42 PM, neoptolemus wrote:

At 10/29/06 03:58 PM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote:

At 10/29/06 03:54 PM, neoptolemus wrote: Really? Damn i'm impressed.

it seems that creationism is more of an evangelical thing as opposed to Catholic or Orthodox.

Ah yes.. Then it appears the USA is on its own for defying scientific fact.. I mean there's even tons of Muslim clerics that say that the Qur'an can be interpretted to include the existence of the big bang and evolution.

If only cristians and catholics could be like that. No matter how many times I hear priests and bishops say that the bible should not be taken word for word, people do it all the time

[Leonardo-Da-Finchy]

At 10/29/06 01:24 PM, MegalomaniacVirus wrote: From an athiests point of view, how could all these different races spawn from one family? Are you telling me tha Noah's family has Chinese, mexican, black, and white looking people? But what if his family spread across the continent and EVOLVED through time and adapted to their environment (like the Africans that adapted to the desert weather and that scientists say causes their blacks skin)?

Did you ever read the bit about the Tower of Babel? Arrogant humans tried to build a tower to heaven, (after noah, btw) He sent it crashing down, and so that humanity couldn't club together and try it again, he cast them all in separate ways, gave them different languages, etc.

That's the prime argument a christian would give you. Not one myself, just giving you the heads-up.

[Imperator]

Let's look at race. The more we look at the differences of race, the more we find out how similar we are. Scientists have said that race has depended on genetics and sunlight.

I think I recall the AAA taking that one step farther, and simply saying that ideas of "race" between humans is a social construct with no viable evidence.

That and the differences in our phenotypes make up a .1-.01% genetic difference.....

So in other words, a 6 ft black thin guy is only approx. .1% genetically different than a 4 ft fat woman......

Why can't we be friends?
We all bleed red, it's all the same blood.

[Imperator]

If only cristians and catholics could be like that. No matter how many times I hear priests and bishops say that the bible should not be taken word for word, people do it all the time

Catholics ARE like that. It's some of the more "extreme" sects of Christianity that create this crack-brain theories......

Goddamn Fundamentalists.....

[Brick-top]

At 10/29/06 01:24 PM, MegalomaniacVirus wrote:

I think your taking religous informations and scientific information and 'muffling' it a little.

However it is a possibility and you must be a good person trying to bring both conflicting arguments together to make equilibrium between the two.

[Leonardo-Da-Finchy]

At 10/29/06 11:25 PM, internet-lord wrote:

However it is a possibility and you must be a good person trying to bring both conflicting arguments together to make equilibrium between the two.

Card 8: Strength
Card 14: Temperance

[Brick-top]

At 10/30/06 02:49 PM, Leonardo-Da-Finchy wrote:

At 10/29/06 11:25 PM, internet-lord wrote:

However it is a possibility and you must be a good person trying to bring both conflicting arguments together to make equilibrium between the two.

Card 8: Strength
Card 14: Temperance

What u going on about???

[JohnnyUtah]

At 10/29/06 01:24 PM, MegalomaniacVirus wrote:
And what about the arc? There's no way that Noah could fit all those animals on an arc? But what if he took one species of bird and that one species evolved into the millions of ones we have now?

man listen. if somebody actally believes the arc story...they've gotta be the dumbest son of a bitch on the planet. whhat about the fish..freshwater and salt water? the bugs? animals from cold climates like..polar bears?

I'm not even going to go into the other 50 fucking reasons this fable is so god damn impossible.

man...you're seriously depressing me. have some common sense.

[Gorillazrock]

It's always mistified me how people can belive in evolution, but believe in the bible too. How can god create the earth, when evolutionists belive in the big bang?

[JohnnyUtah]

At 10/31/06 02:32 AM, ddrorangeman1 wrote: It's always mistified me how people can belive in evolution, but believe in the bible too. How can god create the earth, when evolutionists belive in the big bang?

I agree. at least be consistant. the bible is either infallible OR it isnt. it's supposed to be gods word - if you believe that sort of thing. you cant just believe some of it and call yourself a christian. all or nothing.

lucky for me I see it as just a bunch of stories and love SINNING on a daily basis.

[Deadpool]

The bible is just a collection of stories meant to teach you good morals. Like for example the story of pinoccio teaches us not to steal.

The story of Noah is actually way older than the bible and the original person in the story was a salesman who built a giant barge to save his livestock

[Leonardo-Da-Finchy]

At 10/31/06 03:23 AM, Deadpool wrote: The bible is just a collection of stories meant to teach you good morals. Like for example the story of pinoccio teaches us not to steal.

And not to lie. I think that was the big one.

The story of Noah is actually way older than the bible and the original person in the story was a salesman who built a giant barge to save his livestock

Yup. It was a local flood. The nearby hills were covered. If the entire world had been flooded, for the sea levels to be where they are today, there would be so much water in the air we would drown in a single breath.

[ImmoralLibertarian]

At 10/31/06 05:29 AM, Leonardo-Da-Finchy wrote: Yup. It was a local flood. The nearby hills were covered. If the entire world had been flooded, for the sea levels to be where they are today, there would be so much water in the air we would drown in a single breath.

Interestingly…there’s a great flood legend in practically every culture on society on the planet….but then again, 10 000 years ago at the founding of civilisation, we were coming out of an ice age and the weather would be more violate than it is right now…so many different floods happening all over the world is more than feasible.

I’ve done some research on the matter and it’s believed the Noah’s Ark flood comes from the forming of the Mediterranean…some people also claim that this event, along with the destruction of civilisations in the Mediterranean basin lead to the legend of Atlanta.

Interesting stuff.

[Raguel]

At 10/31/06 02:32 AM, ddrorangeman1 wrote: It's always mistified me how people can belive in evolution, but believe in the bible too. How can god create the earth, when evolutionists belive in the big bang?

Personally, I'd be inclined to believe that the Bible is the church's way of controlling its subjects. But I can't rule out the idea of there being a God, considering that the scientific theories for the start of the world are pretty shit i.e. "There was nothing, and that exploded", which directly conflicts with the main scientific rule that everything starts somewhere and nothing can come from nothing. How exactly can they explain the gases and debris that were meant to have been there?

As for evolution. I consider it a blatant fact, and I was really surprised to hear that over 50% of Americans don't believe in it. I've never understood why the church doesn't just lay claim to everything that scientists prove and stick with their usual motto of God working in mysterious ways.

[Demosthenez]

At 10/31/06 03:47 PM, ImmoralLibertarian wrote: some people also claim that this event, along with the destruction of civilisations in the Mediterranean basin lead to the legend of Atlanta.

I believe in Atlanta.

[ImmoralLibertarian]

At 10/31/06 04:13 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: I believe in Atlanta.

They edited out “Sweet Zombie Jesus!"?

What’s offensive about the son of god being undead? I thought that was the point?

Seriously though....some people argue that 'Atlantis' was just off what is now the island of Cyprus, back then the Mediterranean was a collection of shallow lakes not connected to the ocean due to lower sea levels. But 10,000 years or erosion means we'll never know either way.

[Deadpool]

Yeah i meant lie not steal. My bad.

[ImmoralLibertarian]

At 10/31/06 05:23 PM, Deadpool wrote: Yeah i meant lie not steal. My bad.

Hey DP, where’s Cable?

[Hessel]

At 10/31/06 04:09 PM, Raguel wrote: As for evolution. I consider it a blatant fact, and I was really surprised to hear that over 50% of Americans don't believe in it. I've never understood why the church doesn't just lay claim to everything that scientists prove and stick with their usual motto of God working in mysterious ways.

As for evolution theory, it is a very serious hypothesis. It makes sense to many scientists but no one can give an uncontroversial scientific proof. All we can do is induction from examining the fossils and bones and rocks.

On the other hand, I believe the Bible is to be taken metaphorically. I'm reading Joseph Campbell's "The Power of Myth" (good book!) and he points out the similarity of the myths all around the world. Bible is, he hypothesizes, originated from a herdsmen tribe. (You can read the lambs, shepherds, etc throughout the Bible.) Other mythological creation myths exist and are worth pondering.

In the Christian, Islam, and Judaism religions God is outside of the world, "looking after" us, whatever that may mean. My favourite creation myth is that the world is god itself; the god is the world. We are all part of the world and therefore we are all both creation of god and part of god itself. The world the cosmos, was created by nothing; or we could say, it created itself.

The world is kind enough to allow the Earth to exist and to nurture its inhabitants. But also, because the world is not only kind to any one particular species, races, or whatsoever, often we forget to appreciate the world for our very existence.