The Rights of the people

[ChaosSword]

I see oppresion everywhere.Hell my best freind just let slip that she was bi-sexual and some SOB started to make her life a living hell. Aslo i see discrimination, violence,and tryanny expressed by everyone. Is there something to fight for or should i just give up?

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 10/25/06 06:59 PM, ChaosSword wrote: I see oppresion everywhere.Hell my best freind just let slip that she was bi-sexual and some SOB started to make her life a living hell. Aslo i see discrimination, violence,and tryanny expressed by everyone. Is there something to fight for or should i just give up?

No, because by doing that you would be taking away the rights of others to bitch your friend out.

[EnragedSephiroth]

At 10/25/06 06:59 PM, ChaosSword wrote: IIs there something to fight for or should i just give up?

Oppression and failure to recognize the rights of others is more or less a tool to exert power. To willingly allow others to exert absolute power and control over your life is to relinquish your free will and thus your very existance. Don't give your life up to opression if that's not what you want. A wise man once said "an unexamined life is not worth living" - Socrates. Just because his teachings are ancient does not discredit them. It is resistance which brings about change in the form of compromise.

[Aimizzle]

If he's controlling her life, though I dont see how thats possible, unless its her dad or someone along those lines, then do something about it, dont just complain. If thats not the case then... Freedom Of Speach.

[cellardoor6]

At 10/25/06 07:21 PM, EnragedSephiroth wrote:

At 10/25/06 06:59 PM, ChaosSword wrote: IIs there something to fight for or should i just give up?

Oppression and failure to recognize the rights of others is more or less a tool to exert power. To willingly allow others to exert absolute power and control over your life is to relinquish your free will and thus your very existance. Don't give your life up to opression if that's not what you want. A wise man once said "an unexamined life is not worth living" - Socrates. Just because his teachings are ancient does not discredit them. It is resistance which brings about change in the form of compromise.

Its pretty funny when EngragedSephiroth tries to get philosophical. It's like witnessing someone with Down Syndrome try to recite the law of relativity.

[ThorKingOfTheVikings]

move to canada..we dont really mind that much

[Mr-Coffee]

At 10/25/06 10:34 PM, ThorKingOfTheVikings wrote: move to canada..we dont really mind that much

Canada is half of our problem. I say we chop it off and kick it out into the ocean.

[ChaosSword]

Old maxim, comrades:

"Death to those who deny equality"

[Begoner]

Some people are willingly ignorant -- they do not wish to consider other ways of living except their own and are obdurate in their ways. There isn't much you can do to rectify the problem -- you are not in a position to do anything about it and more than you are in a position to cure retardation.

[texicomexico]

At 10/25/06 06:59 PM, ChaosSword wrote: I see oppresion everywhere.Hell my best freind just let slip that she was bi-sexual and some SOB started to make her life a living hell. Aslo i see discrimination, violence,and tryanny expressed by everyone. Is there something to fight for or should i just give up?

My sis told me she was bi. Now MY life is a living hell!

[ChaosSword]

How exactly that? Youre life is now hell becuase youre sis is bi-sexual? If anyone gives you crap, "Teach them a lesson" with youre hands.

[JakeHero]

At 10/26/06 08:56 PM, ChaosSword wrote: How exactly that? Youre life is now hell becuase youre sis is bi-sexual? If anyone gives you crap, "Teach them a lesson" with youre hands.

That would be assault and battery. Believe it or not, someone calling your sister a box-eater is not worth a few months in the joint. Hell, the community service isn't worth it.

[Dash-Underscore-Dash]

Only a gay guy would not like a bi chick.

[Glendale]

One point of view that makes perfect sense- What we are does not affect who we are.

(simplified, it means just because I am black, white, gay, bi, straight or whatever does not change that my favorite color is green, or any other personality trait)

Another point of view that makes perfect sense- Don't be ignorant of my ignorance.

(A persons point of view is how they think, and you have the right to ARGUE that view, but never stifle it)

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 10/25/06 09:42 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Its pretty funny when EngragedSephiroth tries to get philosophical. It's like witnessing someone with Down Syndrome try to recite the law of relativity.

Unless you have some sort of actual argument that counters what his philosophy points out, instead of just an ad hominem attack, I suggest you shut up.

At 10/25/06 06:59 PM, ChaosSword wrote: I see oppresion everywhere.Hell my best freind just let slip that she was bi-sexual and some SOB started to make her life a living hell. Aslo i see discrimination, violence,and tryanny expressed by everyone. Is there something to fight for or should i just give up?

Of course you should fight it. Unchecked, ignorance spreads. Your rights, and your best friends rights, only exist if you choose to use them to defend yourself from others exercising theirs. However, I would refrain from equating someone giving your friend the cold shoulder with "oppression" and "tyranny".

[ChaosSword]

Not just the could shoulder. He's got this group of his friends to do anything possible to annoy or make her lose prestige. I'm trying to help her, with out violence becuase i really like this girl and she is kind of a non-violent person. I also dont feel like spending a month or two in juvenile detention.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 10/26/06 10:09 PM, Dash-Underscore-Dash wrote: Only a gay guy would not like a bi chick.

Know, guys that want a real relationship that isn't based around sex wouldn't want a bi chick.

[Dash-Underscore-Dash]

At 10/27/06 06:41 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 10/26/06 10:09 PM, Dash-Underscore-Dash wrote: Only a gay guy would not like a bi chick.

Know, guys that want a real relationship that isn't based around sex wouldn't want a bi chick.

I know, I'm just trolling.

[troubles1]

At 10/25/06 06:59 PM, ChaosSword wrote: I see oppresion everywhere.Hell my best freind just let slip that she was bi-sexual and some SOB started to make her life a living hell. Aslo i see discrimination, violence,and tryanny expressed by everyone. Is there something to fight for or should i just give up?

Depending on the age of your friend , the best thing you can do is simply be here friend, I am guessing that she is in high-school,, and trust me it is not that deep, once she reaches collage thing will be much different. I still do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle, But I have 2 close friends who choose to be Gay , And they have had some bad experience's, But there friends are there for them, and that is all you need to do. Unless the people become violent with this girl , your only obligation is to show them there ignorance, if violence accrues then more drastic measures may be needed.
JUST ASSURE HERE GET GOOD GRADES , AND GO TO COLLAGE THEN LIFE WILL BE COOKIES AND CREAM.

[ChaosSword]

At 10/28/06 12:36 AM, troubles1 wrote:

:: Depending on the age of your friend , the best thing you can do is simply be here friend, I am guessing that she is in high-school,, and trust me it is not that deep, once she reaches collage thing will be much different. I still do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle, But I have 2 close friends who choose to be Gay , And they have had some bad experience's, But there friends are there for them, and that is all you need to do. Unless the people become violent with this girl , your only obligation is to show them there ignorance, if violence accrues then more drastic measures may be needed.

JUST ASSURE HERE GET GOOD GRADES , AND GO TO COLLAGE THEN LIFE WILL BE COOKIES AND CREAM.

Maybe, maybe not. Life has ways of kicking you in the teeth.( i.e. a letter i just got from cousin saying she's lesbian, which i have no problem with. But its kind of a shock.)

[yodd]

At 10/26/06 04:21 PM, Mr-Coffee wrote:

At 10/25/06 10:34 PM, ThorKingOfTheVikings wrote: move to canada..we dont really mind that much

Canada is half of our problem. I say we chop it off and kick it out into the ocean.

So really your an arrogant asshole

[ImmoralLibertarian]

At 10/28/06 12:36 AM, troubles1 wrote: But I have 2 close friends who choose to be Gay ,

No one chooses to be gay.

And if you had two close friends who were gay you’d know that.

[troubles1]

At 10/29/06 02:58 AM, ImmoralLibertarian wrote:

At 10/28/06 12:36 AM, troubles1 wrote: But I have 2 close friends who choose to be Gay ,

No one chooses to be gay.

And if you had two close friends who were gay you’d know that.

Don't act like you know me or the people who are my friends. And yes one can choose to be gay , I have asked the question to one of my wife's closest friends and the answer was yes he chose to be that way.

[EnragedSephiroth]

At 10/25/06 09:42 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Its pretty funny when EngragedSephiroth tries to get philosophical. It's like witnessing someone with Down Syndrome try to recite the law of relativity.

I agree it is pretty entertaining. But what's a real stitch is when you express your tired old predictable"conservatism rules all" politics. It's like watching someone with ADD in a debate. :D

[fahrenheit]

At 10/27/06 06:41 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: Know, guys that want a real relationship that isn't based around sex wouldn't want a bi chick.

But would a guy that wants a real relationship that isnt based around sex make fun of a girl because of her sexual orientation?
Doesnt exactly make a lot of sense.

[Dash-Underscore-Dash]

At 10/30/06 04:20 PM, EnragedSephiroth wrote:

At 10/25/06 09:42 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: like witnessing someone with Down Syndrome try to recite the law of relativity.

"Gaaaahhh... infinite mass arrrrr... speed of light buh-buh-buh time is not constant."

It's like watching someone with ADD in a debate. :D

"And furthermore, many will argue that... wow, that person has big boobies!"

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 10/30/06 05:51 PM, fahrenheit wrote:

At 10/27/06 06:41 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

But would a guy that wants a real relationship that isnt based around sex make fun of a girl because of her sexual orientation?
Doesnt exactly make a lot of sense.

Because we don't make sense.

[ImmoralLibertarian]

At 10/30/06 03:10 AM, troubles1 wrote: Don't act like you know me or the people who are my friends. And yes one can choose to be gay , I have asked the question to one of my wife's closest friends and the answer was yes he chose to be that way.

Then he was bisexual and choose men over women.

Did you choose to be straight?

No one chooses to be gay, end of.

[Imperator]

At 10/26/06 05:42 PM, Begoner wrote: Some people are willingly ignorant -- they do not wish to consider other ways of living except their own and are obdurate in their ways. There isn't much you can do to rectify the problem -- you are not in a position to do anything about it and more than you are in a position to cure retardation.

Is it just me, or is it strikingly ironic that Begoner posted this.....?

[ChaosSword]

At 10/30/06 06:42 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 10/30/06 05:51 PM, fahrenheit wrote:

At 10/27/06 06:41 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

But would a guy that wants a real relationship that isnt based around sex make fun of a girl because of her sexual orientation?
Doesnt exactly make a lot of sense.

Because we don't make sense.

Life is rarely logical. I pretty much have started to look at life as one huge equation, you change one variable, something interesting is bound to happen.