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At 10/24/06 07:10 PM, Grammer wrote: If the ban on marijuana is repealed, I just hope that any and all loopholes in the law are sealed shut before they can be exploited. Much like abortion, women in some states who weren't allowed to have the operation (depending on her condition, age, etc.) would simply go over state lines and have the abortion there. Thankfully this practice was made illegal, and I hope we don't see something similar with marijuana, either.

More than likely, it would still be illegal to transport marijuana across state lines, regardless of the legality of marijuana in the states. However, I see no valid reason why someone from Idaho shouldn't be allowed to smoke marijuana on Nevada, provided that they break no other laws (such as driving under the influence, etc.) while doing so.

The problem with marijuana advertising is thaat it's based on opinion rather than fact.

All facts point to the relative harmlessness of the drug in comparison to smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol.

Myth: Marijuana makes you stupid.
Fact: YOU make yourself stupid. Some people stupidly decide to smoke when they have something important to do, ei Take a test or study. You wouldn't take an important test drunk, why would you do it when high?

There's also that statistic of people who have a grade of "d" are more likely to have smoked marijuana. What the fuck does this MEAN? It doesn't mean anything. Weed doesn't change your grades unless you smoke when you should be studying. I know ALOT of smart people who get great grades (including myself) who smoke weed when we have nothing else important to do. I know absolutly NO ONE whos grades have taken a drastic drop since they smoked without them being idiots already.

If you know someone's whos grades did, they likely started too young. Like 7-8th grade.

At 10/24/06 06:59 PM, TheNotorious wrote: Not happening on my watch.

We would have hippy overload.

Drum circles and pot smoke.

*shiver*

Oh dear God.

I'm not a marijuana hater persay, but it shouldn't be legalized. Alcohol probably shouldn't be either for that same reason. But we're already to far into that pit. I noticed that that support for the amendment had nothing to say about car accidents, something marijuana and alcohol both have in common. Also, it doesn't say anything abou the fact that you are way more likely to have the intent of getting really high from marijuana than getting really drunk off alcohol. And after that, is it going to end up that instead of people hanging their arms outside their ar windows with cigarrettes they'll be holding on to joints. And for some reason people will think it's fine DUIing under two substances.

At 10/24/06 11:17 PM, secondmessiah wrote:

At 10/24/06 07:25 PM, OrbitalDebris wrote: If alcohol was prohibited again, would drunk driving go down? You bet it would

wow, once again you fail to back you arguments up with statistics, the prohibition of alcohol had virtually no effect on the amount of alcohol consumed in the US. It did, however, put a lot of legitimate businesses out of business and give a lot of money to organized crime.

Since i'm speaking of the future I could never back this next statement with statistics.
If marijuana were legalized, do you think the amount of people smoking weed would go up. You bet it would.

At 10/24/06 11:41 PM, EKublai wrote: I'm not a marijuana hater persay, but it shouldn't be legalized. Alcohol probably shouldn't be either for that same reason. But we're already to far into that pit. I noticed that that support for the amendment had nothing to say about car accidents, something marijuana and alcohol both have in common. Also, it doesn't say anything abou the fact that you are way more likely to have the intent of getting really high from marijuana than getting really drunk off alcohol. And after that, is it going to end up that instead of people hanging their arms outside their ar windows with cigarrettes they'll be holding on to joints. And for some reason people will think it's fine DUIing under two substances.

You've never smoked obviously. It's not like there is a measurable amount of "high." You're fucked up if you're just a little bit and you're fucked if your "gone."

Marijuana Has to be the Least addicting drug out there including alcohol
It also doesnt have around 3000 deadly toxins that cigarettes have.

Humans have consumed cannabis for thousands of years; in the 20th century there was a rise in the use of cannabis for recreational and religious purposes.

There is no way in hell a single person can OD on it (you would need to smoke 1500 lbs in 15 min to OD)

Yes it does intoxicate you but alcohol does it too.
It aslo can be used to relieve certain neurological illnesses such as epilepsy, migraine and bipolar disorder.It has also been found to relieve nausea for chemotherapy patients. A recent study has also indicated that cannabis can be used to prevent Alzheimer's disease.

The medical use of cannabis is politically controversial, but physicians sometimes recommend it informally. A synthetic version of the major active chemical in cannabis, THC, is available in many countries in the form of a pill as the prescription drug dronabinol (Marinol).

THC has also been found to reduce arterial blockages. A sublingual spray derived from an extract of cannabis has also been approved for treatment of multiple sclerosis in Canada as the prescription drug Sativex - this drug may now be legally imported into the United Kingdom and Spain on prescription.

The Classic stoners that you see are people who abuse Weed they smoke it prob 1-2+ times a day and at that rate the body cant metabolize it so it gets stored in the brain and brain cells die, but alcohol excessive use forces the liver to filter it and the cells die from the poisons causing scars and later on possible liver failure

So if weed is illegal they should make alcohol, cigarettes, and medicines that induce "trips" illegal too because marijuana is just as useful as the medicins and 100% more useful than the cigarettes and alcohol.

At 10/24/06 11:27 PM, PacoW wrote: Not true- hence the word "finally."

Yes true - hence the classification, "Schedule I Drug in the Controlled Substances Act of 1970."

States are allowed to enforce their own laws in accordance to their constitutions; meaning that anyone in these states who are arrested by state or local police would therefore face state or local charges (the meat and bones of these bills would otherwise eliminate state laws). However, anyone charged under FEDERAL jursidiction has no protection from state laws as defined in Article VI in the US constitution.

All in all, any of these states will more than likely have their laws overturned since the Supreme Court and the US Congress don't feel the need to legalize, or at least even reschedule marijuana anytime soon. Personally, even though I've never smoked pot, I find the criminalization of it to be shit. Marijuana is classified as a drug that's worse than coke, meth, and PCP; most likely because the military used [uses?] forms of these drugs to give to soldiers. Funny too, since the military uses hemp in a lot of material-making processes. Anyone's guess is as good as mine if they said where the marijuana from that ends up.

The states voting on it couldn't vote on it if it was made illegal by the federal government. Guess what? John Calhoun's nullifaction doctrine failed. States don't have that right.

Like I said, until a federal law bans states from doing shit like this, the federal government still has every right to criminalize individuals. So if you want to smoke pot in the US, I suggest you avoid these states since they'll more than likely be swarming with feds now.

curtesy of AP US History, which I have a grade of A in. I'm not stupid and I like weed.

Pffffft, you learn about dates and wars in US History. Come back and explain state rights v. federal rights to me when you take AP Government next year.

Thats nice to know its finally going to happen and no one will have to worry about hiding it any more? Any restrictions on it or is it going to be out and out you can have it, grow it, and smoke it at any age?

At 10/24/06 11:44 PM, newfreak1 wrote: Marijuana Has to be the Least addicting drug out there including alcohol
It also doesnt have around 3000 deadly toxins that cigarettes have.

actually, it does. however, the average cigg smoker vs the average pot smoker...cigg smoker smokes A SHIT LOAD more.

Humans have consumed cannabis for thousands of years; in the 20th century there was a rise in the use of cannabis for recreational and religious purposes.

truth

There is no way in hell a single person can OD on it (you would need to smoke 1500 lbs in 15 min to OD)

truth. smoking too much makes you too tired. eating too much hash results in throwing up. 0 deaths due to OD

Yes it does intoxicate you but alcohol does it too.

not a good thing to compare to, but truth.

It aslo can be used to relieve certain neurological illnesses such as epilepsy, migraine and bipolar disorder.It has also been found to relieve nausea for chemotherapy patients. A recent study has also indicated that cannabis can be used to prevent Alzheimer's disease.

truth

The medical use of cannabis is politically controversial, but physicians sometimes recommend it informally. A synthetic version of the major active chemical in cannabis, THC, is available in many countries in the form of a pill as the prescription drug dronabinol (Marinol).

truth. glaucoma (sp?) too. helps relieve ocular pressure which can damage the eye.

THC has also been found to reduce arterial blockages. A sublingual spray derived from an extract of cannabis has also been approved for treatment of multiple sclerosis in Canada as the prescription drug Sativex - this drug may now be legally imported into the United Kingdom and Spain on prescription.

never heard that before

The Classic stoners that you see are people who abuse Weed they smoke it prob 1-2+ times a day and at that rate the body cant metabolize it so it gets stored in the brain and brain cells die, but alcohol excessive use forces the liver to filter it and the cells die from the poisons causing scars and later on possible liver failure

brain cells dont die from it.

So if weed is illegal they should make alcohol, cigarettes, and medicines that induce "trips" illegal too because marijuana is just as useful as the medicines and 100% more useful than the cigarettes and alcohol.

true to a certain degree.

i'm loving all the ignorant people here that immediately bash it. "omgz you'll be st00pider and stuffz." most of the bullshit you here is the government's attempt to scare you. you hear what they say and immediately go into a frenzy when something is said against it. the government has made up and exaggerated several facts off a shit based study over 70 years ago with an extreme lack of support. since, they haven't allowed many studies to go on to prove its not nearly as harmful as conceived to be. weed being illegal is only fueling gangs and drug dealers. this is in no way contributing to legalizing harder drugs.

so, before you bash this idea. THINK ABOUT IT. dont immediately go, "DURRR IN HEALF CLASS, I LERNT WE3D COULD DONE BAD TINGS TO YUR BODY" its not nearly as harmful as everyone says it is. so many of those facts are myths.

NOT TO MENTION. the economy. how many arrests are made for marijuana related incidents? too many. we pay tax dollars to send them through court and keep them in a jailcell each year for doing what? smokin a joint. in turn, the guy who just murdered someone, his court date is set back because of this. legalizing weed takes more drug dealers of the ship. greatly reduced organized crime. takes people that shouldnt be in jail, out of jail. smoking weed is going to happen no matter what...why keep trying to prevent it by spending money when we could be making money selling it in specified stores?

on a leaving note. number of deaths related to natural causes of marijuana (I.E. for alcohol - alcohol poisening, ect.) are ZERO. ZIP.

if you want to talk to me more about this. AIM is in my pro. ill be on tomorrow.

lol. its late. im tired. made a bunch of errors. biggest one standing out:
of the ship.
off the streets*

doh sleep time

At 10/24/06 11:48 PM, wwwyzzerdd wrote: rebuttle

Oh fuck... I had to actually look up my facts? Fuck this shit I didn't think newgrounders knew anything.

At 10/24/06 11:52 PM, Casualtie wrote: Thats nice to know its finally going to happen and no one will have to worry about hiding it any more? Any restrictions on it or is it going to be out and out you can have it, grow it, and smoke it at any age?

Watch the video in the Nevada site.

* You MUST be 21+
* You can ONLY buy 1 ounce or less from a certified retailer (they will NOT be available at private institutions)
* You can NOT use the drug in public
* You can NOT get marijuana from anyone else (including yourself)
*You WILL have to pay certain taxes on the use of the drug (meaning that it will more than likely be priced out the asshole)

great more people on welfare because they're too stoned to work.

At 10/24/06 11:43 PM, PacoW wrote:

At 10/24/06 11:41 PM, EKublai wrote: I'm not a marijuana hater persay, but it shouldn't be legalized. Alcohol probably shouldn't be either for that same reason. But we're already to far into that pit. I noticed that that support for the amendment had nothing to say about car accidents, something marijuana and alcohol both have in common. Also, it doesn't say anything abou the fact that you are way more likely to have the intent of getting really high from marijuana than getting really drunk off alcohol. And after that, is it going to end up that instead of people hanging their arms outside their ar windows with cigarrettes they'll be holding on to joints. And for some reason people will think it's fine DUIing under two substances.

You've never smoked obviously. It's not like there is a measurable amount of "high." You're fucked up if you're just a little bit and you're fucked if your "gone."

what the hell are you talking about? the dosage determines the effect, where do you get off saying that how much you have doesn't have any say? yeah when you say to your friends "I'm fucked" it doesn't mean that your in one state. There has to be some type of measurement cuz not all highs are the same. You can measure or at least guess at your high based on altered reality and duration by how much of the stuff you do. Also, like with alcohol, your going to get different results with different equiptment like when you drink yourself dumb as opposed to doing a beer bong. It's going to be different when doing a hookah as opposed to a rolled up joint. For one thing, Hookahs, not the weed, but the hookah itself can cause cancer, gum disease, and addiction while joints have no long-term ill effects.

i personally think its a horrible idea. putting the government in charge of regulating weed and taxing it is an absolutely terrible way to go. it will just cause prices to skyrocket, basically. why not keep it illegal? honestly, that way it will be cheaper and easier to get. and the video mentions cutting down on violent crime, but i seriously doubt that the majority of weed dealers are violent criminals. the vast majority of weed is transfered from friend to friend. so yeah, keeping it illegal will actually turn out better for pot smokers in the long run. the anti-weed people should be voting yes on this law, not poo-pooing it.

At 10/24/06 07:11 PM, Unimportant wrote:

At 10/24/06 06:35 PM, PacoW wrote:

At 10/24/06 06:32 PM, Dudeo wrote: Making pot legal is a step towards making coke, acid, and meth legal.

You don't know anything.

Marijuana, unlike coke, meth and acid...
-Can't kill you

Lots of things can't kill you, that doesn't make it a good idea.

True.

-Is not addictive (Neither is Acid)

No comment

Well played.

-has been smoked since ancient times. The founding fathers all smoked marijuana.

Mind backing that statement up?

The ancient Scythians, of were some of modern Russia and Ukraine are, often smoked marijuana in their religious practices, and many Native American tribes have been smoking marijuana as long as their histories will go back.

-is completely natural (coke is synthesized)

Yes, because you'll believe anything the drug dealers tell you

And anything... science will tell you? Marijuana is a plant, how are they going to synthesize it? It would end up costing themselves more than it would have if they simply grew it, cooked it, and sold it.

-is WAY more widely used that the other drugs.

That doesn't make it better.

No, but it makes it a more practical one to legalize.

-Can no be NEARLY as controled as the other drugs.

Well having a little baggie won't end you up with 10 years if that's what you mean, but drug dealers with the stuff will still get busted.

He doesn't mean the amount

Frankly, I'm against anything that drops your intelligence, even temporarily. Before you start saying anything about pot not affecting your body, try smoking pot and then studying for a test, or hell, for the SATs. Pot is a timewater that dumbs you down for a couple of hours, and I'm personally against it. I'm also against alcohol and cigarettes and I fully understand that they're both much more lethal than pot.

I've been getting straight A's this quarter, and I've smoked pot nearly every single day (although I'm taking a break, starting yesterday.)

Having said that, since Nevada doesn't really function under normal laws or ethics, I suppose adding pot wouldn't make a difference. I just pray they'll keep the potsmoking away from the gambling, I don't need that pot smell lingering over my slot machine.

Normal ethics are open to interpretation.

I'm sorry for being a prick, but I'm against all the stupid shit that's gotten by. Its obvious we'd be alot better off if alcohol was never discovered. Same for cigarettes. I know pot isn't as bad as either of those 2 but I'd rather not have it legalized and drop the US's standardized test scores another 10 places. Its not productive, so I'm against.

It wouldn't drop anything; just because it would be legal doesn't mean more people would do it.

At 10/25/06 12:00 AM, PacoW wrote: Oh fuck... I had to actually look up my facts? Fuck this shit I didn't think newgrounders knew anything.

I've done this arguement thousands of times in debate classes, government classes, and even PE class somehow. Most people just want to legalize pot so they can stop getting arrested for it. Another number of people are tired of tax money going to criminalize something so pointless. I'm all for regulated usage of marijuana like in other countries, but it's not going to be happening with the current congress and/or court, who would just precede over state laws like they did in California when the DEA raided the homes of hundreds of people permitted to grow medical marijuana by the state. That case is working it's way to the Supreme Court, so the decision on that will more than likely shape the decision.

I still like the debate my friend and I did in Government class last year. This was our closing statement.

its not nearly as harmful as everyone says it is. so many of those facts are myths.

I'm glad we have a credible and unbiased source like you that we can trust.

At 10/25/06 12:12 AM, Tancrisism wrote:

Frankly, I'm against anything that drops your intelligence, even temporarily. Before you start saying anything about pot not affecting your body, try smoking pot and then studying for a test, or hell, for the SATs. Pot is a timewater that dumbs you down for a couple of hours, and I'm personally against it. I'm also against alcohol and cigarettes and I fully understand that they're both much more lethal than pot.

I've been getting straight A's this quarter, and I've smoked pot nearly every single day (although I'm taking a break, starting yesterday.)

i too was a frequent pot smoker who got straight As in high school. now im a college freshman with sophomore standing.
there goes your uneducated "stupid stoner" stereotype...

Dude, I live in nevada!

Say, just so I know how fucked up someone can get on marijuana incase my parents do it or something, is it a hallucagin or does it just put you in ephouria?

At 10/25/06 12:18 AM, Frost wrote: Dude, I live in nevada!

Say, just so I know how fucked up someone can get on marijuana incase my parents do it or something, is it a hallucagin or does it just put you in ephouria?

not a hallucinate type drug...

state of euphoria...yes.

At 10/24/06 11:43 PM, EKublai wrote:

At 10/24/06 11:17 PM, secondmessiah wrote:

At 10/24/06 07:25 PM, OrbitalDebris wrote: If alcohol was prohibited again, would drunk driving go down? You bet it would

wow, once again you fail to back you arguments up with statistics, the prohibition of alcohol had virtually no effect on the amount of alcohol consumed in the US. It did, however, put a lot of legitimate businesses out of business and give a lot of money to organized crime.

Since i'm speaking of the future I could never back this next statement with statistics.
If marijuana were legalized, do you think the amount of people smoking weed would go up. You bet it would.

i beg to differ. it would remain the same or go down. when they made alcohol illegal, it stayed the same and when they legalized it again..it stayed the same.

legalizing pot would actually make A LOT of people stop. alot of people do it to rebel against rthe government or their parents.

weird legal drugs, it might not become as popular then...

At 10/24/06 06:36 PM, AdidasClock wrote: Let's hope that the anti-drug associations are not willing to vote.
lmao.

The dangers of marijuana have been proven scientifically.

At 10/25/06 12:08 AM, EKublai wrote: what the hell are you talking about? the dosage determines the effect, where do you get off saying that how much you have doesn't have any say?

Because weed differs so dramatically and practically unmeasurable in potency. Sorry if it was worded strangely.

I don't smoke weed for numerous reasons, but I don't look down on somebody who does, but I do worry about those who feel like they need it to enjoy their lives. Although I can only imagine what kind of shit companies start putting into their "blends" if marijuana ever becomes mass produced.

Whats the big deal with not legalizing marijuana? For crying outloud, it's their lives let them do whatever they wan't with it. The goverment just dosen't wan't Druglords to have more money and more power to them.

that may be good down there but where i am, we have the 3rd strongest pot in the world (BC Canada. pot nicknamed the BC bud)