America/Geneva

[bumcheekcity]

How DARE the Bush Administration say that the Iraquis are violating Human Rights Agreements on POW's when they violate the EXACT same agreements in EXACTLY the same way - by humiliating the prisioners of war and showing them on television.

I knew Bush was a hypocrite, but I never knew he was this obvious.

[Dig-the-Man]

At 3/24/03 04:39 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: How DARE the Bush Administration say that the Iraquis are violating Human Rights Agreements on POW's when they violate the EXACT same agreements in EXACTLY the same way - by humiliating the prisioners of war and showing them on television.

Firstly, get your head out of your ass and stop ranting like a drunkard. Secondly, provide some background to your comment. Thirdly, review your comment and re-think what you have just posted.

[MuscleHed]

At 3/24/03 04:47 PM, Dig_the_Man wrote:
Firstly, get your head out of your ass and stop ranting like a drunkard. Secondly, provide some background to your comment. Thirdly, review your comment and re-think what you have just posted.

Thank you. You took the words right out of my mouth.

[NEMESiSZ]

What the hell are you talking about? The prisoners in cuba get special treatment even compared to AMERICAN prisoners. They live better there than in some cave. Iraq, however, has a history of war crimes.

But hey, don't let the facts ruin your opinion.

[Commander-K25]

At 3/24/03 04:39 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: How DARE the Bush Administration say that the Iraquis are violating Human Rights Agreements on POW's....

They said that Iraq BETTER NOT violate the Geneva Convention. Of course, they already have a vast track record of atrocious human rights abuses. The overlooked British dossier on the regime documents an extremely brutal past.

There is an underground political prison where the prisoners are kept in dark cells the size of coffins. Enemies of Saddam have been shredded in machines designed for plastic processing. There are state rapists in many of the prisons. The list goes on.

[Jimsween]

Bumcheekcity your proctologist called, they found your head

*rolls over laughing* I kill myself...

[bumcheekcity]

alright, i'll review my comment and add backup and evidence.

i have seen, just 2 minuitesa ago, a piece of news showing Iraqui prisoners being tied up at the hands and feet and being made to kneel while soldiors pointed a gun at groups of them.

this was on the news at ten on british TV. thats all my evidence. i'm suprised you haven't seen the videos in the States. news is censored too much there.

anyway, this procedure DIRECTLY defies the Geneva Convention on Human Rights.

Article 13 from the Geneva Convention
PoWs must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.

Public curiocity and they put pictures of them on TV. Case closed.

If you have time, have a look at this debate i found by a journalist of the Independant.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=390501

[Jimsween]

Of course we saw it but here there is a thing called freedom of the press, they can show whatever they have and since they people being captured werent yet captured they arent officially off limits yet. With the Iraqi's however they submitted the video's to the news stations the reporters didn't.

[Dig-the-Man]

At 3/24/03 05:23 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: i have seen, just 2 minuitesa ago, a piece of news showing Iraqui prisoners being tied up at the hands and feet and being made to kneel while soldiors pointed a gun at groups of them.

If you have time, have a look at this debate i found by a journalist of the Independant.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=390501

I have read the news stroy you have presented, but have yet to see the videos. Just remember that people not belonging to a nation's military are not soldiers and therefore are not covered by the Geneva Convention. So you should review those videos carefully to see that the men captured are military targets (ie soldiers). Otherwise, U.S. soldiers do not have to follow that Geneva Convention.

[Commander-K25]

At 3/24/03 05:23 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:
Article 13 from the Geneva Convention
PoWs must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.

Public curiocity and they put pictures of them on TV. Case closed.

In what way have they been intimidated?

Also, that article is vague. Exactly how far does "public curiosity" extend?

The purpose and spirit of the Geneva Convention is to protect the rights and safety of POWs, not to shield them from embarrassment.

POW 1: "OMG! They laughed at me! I've been violated!"
POW 2: "Yeah, man. They guards even carry guns! How dare they do that!"

[House-Of-Leaves]

At 3/24/03 05:23 PM, bumcheekcity wrote:
Public curiocity and they put pictures of them on TV. Case closed.

wow...so...you mean the Geneva Convention overrides Constitutional Law now?

I don't know what YOU would do if you were the people guarding the POW's...but I sure as hell wouldn't just let them walk around free, without having a weapon trained on them.

American soldiers were KILLED. Executed. Kicked by a grinning Iraqi soldier.

See, I don't know about you. But no matter how many problems I have with the US Government and the Bush Administration, I'm not going to ignore simple logic and bash them for something like that.

Instead, I'll boggle at them for actually expecting Iraq to comply with the Geneva Convention, either in the past or in the future.

[NJDeadzone]

At 3/24/03 04:39 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: How DARE the Bush Administration say that the Iraquis are violating Human Rights Agreements on POW's when they violate the EXACT same agreements in EXACTLY the same way - by humiliating the prisioners of war and showing them on television.

I knew Bush was a hypocrite, but I never knew he was this obvious.

geez i guess you didn't see the tape of the Iraqis shooting into the brush because they thought a crashed pilot was hiding in there...humiliation worse than death? get your priorities straight!

[LedZep77]

How can u put rules in war???!! tat doesnt make any sense!

[XkwiziTOnE]

well it does and it doesnt make sense but after World War 2 and the situations that happened and the way people and POW were treated, it was unfair, unjust and such so they made rules on how to treat POW's. its one thing to fight an enemy with weapons but once they are unarmed and cannot take care or defend themselves thats when rules are set.........and they were set the Geneva Convention...

[bumcheekcity]

At 3/24/03 05:31 PM, jimsween wrote: Of course we saw it but here there is a thing called freedom of the press, they can show whatever they have and since they people being captured werent yet captured they arent officially off limits yet. With the Iraqi's however they submitted the video's to the news stations the reporters didn't.

there is in Britain (freedom of the press) but in America, they ranked 17th in the world. not good for the land of the free. and yes, i do agree that the Iraqui news will be dictated more than anyone elses now, but the fact remains that we are just as bad as them

[bumcheekcity]

At 3/24/03 05:33 PM, Dig_the_Man wrote: I have read the news stroy you have presented, but have yet to see the videos. Just remember that people not belonging to a nation's military are not soldiers and therefore are not covered by the Geneva Convention. So you should review those videos carefully to see that the men captured are military targets (ie soldiers). Otherwise, U.S. soldiers do not have to follow that Geneva Convention.

like in Guantanamo Bay? fair or what? but anyway, i did review the videos carefully when the news came on this morning and they said they were soldiors. and do they really not hav to follow international law because someone doesn't belont to the military?

[bumcheekcity]

At 3/24/03 07:03 PM, NJDeadzone wrote: geez i guess you didn't see the tape of the Iraqis shooting into the brush because they thought a crashed pilot was hiding in there...humiliation worse than death? get your priorities straight!

shooting a brush? i'll admit i haven't seen all the videos, but i think you mean bush, so ill accept that. what do you mean humiliation worse than death? and i believe my priorities are fine as they are, thankyou.

[bumcheekcity]

At 3/24/03 08:13 PM, LedZep77 wrote: How can u put rules in war???!! tat doesnt make any sense!

no, it wouldn't work without rules. these aren't petty rules, they are humanitarian rights rules. they state obvious things like you must not torture, humiliate or do anything out of order to them. (like put them in cages - 6:00 news on the BBC) otherwise, no soldior would wsant to fight if he knew he would be tortured mercilessly when he was captured.

[Jimsween]

At 3/25/03 03:01 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

there is in Britain (freedom of the press) but in America, they ranked 17th in the world. not good for the land of the free. and yes, i do agree that the Iraqui news will be dictated more than anyone elses now,

I dont know how that could be, maybe its because we dont allow reporters on private property but besides that there are NO restrictions. Whatever they find out they can report even if its a lie or jepordizes the saftey of Americans.

but the fact remains that we are just as bad as them

did you not read my post, they gave the footage to the news staions, the news staions were the ones that got the footage of the iraqi prisoners. and if your talking about gauntanimo bay, they are not POW because they are not the afgani militia they are a terrorist group.

[bumcheekcity]

At 3/25/03 03:22 AM, jimsween wrote: did you not read my post, they gave the footage to the news staions, the news staions were the ones that got the footage of the iraqi prisoners. and if your talking about gauntanimo bay, they are not POW because they are not the afgani militia they are a terrorist group.

i was talking about guantanamo bay and technically, yes you're correct, they aren't Prisoners of War. But ehy are Prisoners and we are fighting a war (against terrorism) use your common sense. and tehnically, i can piss in your drink.

doing things technically doesn't always work

[Jimsween]

When we find terrorist in america we do not treat them as POW we treat them as criminals, why should it be different with terrorist in another country. BEsides didnt a president a while back say the administration will not recognizes terrorist forms of government as a real government or was that just in the movie air force one.

[JMHX]

At 3/25/03 01:51 PM, jimsween wrote: When we find terrorist in america we do not treat them as POW we treat them as criminals, why should it be different with terrorist in another country. BEsides didnt a president a while back say the administration will not recognizes terrorist forms of government as a real government or was that just in the movie air force one.

The first part of the post had all the relevance. We treat terrorists at Guantanamo Bay better than they would be treated anywhere else, except that they spend a bit of their day chained to the floor. Rightfully so. If I were in charge of punishment, they'd be without certain anatomical parts right now. We don't rape and behead our criminals. Hell, we were even alright to the Asians we interned during WWII.

[bumcheekcity]

At 3/25/03 02:35 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: The first part of the post had all the relevance. We treat terrorists at Guantanamo Bay better than they would be treated anywhere else, except that they spend a bit of their day chained to the floor. Rightfully so. If I were in charge of punishment, they'd be without certain anatomical parts right now. We don't rape and behead our criminals. Hell, we were even alright to the Asians we interned during WWII.

why? one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. do a bit of research on the net, and pretend that you're bin laden. you could find enough evidence of war-crimes and bastardry (?) that America has committed to the Palestinians and Bin Ladens people that you would (i promise you) want to do something MUCH worse to America