N. Korean leader "is sorry"

[cellardoor6]

In a meeting with a Chinese envoy, North Korean dictator Kim Jong il expressed his regret about his decision to conduct a nuclear bomb test. He went on to say that he would like to return to six-party talks

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I guess those sanctions worked out pretty well and pretty quickly. Lets pray that Kim Jong il isn't just playing another game and is actually sincere for once.

Before people immediately jump on the wagon and demand that Bush have direct talks with North Korea, just remember that the North Korean leader has pulled mind games like this before. When the US discovered that Kim Jong il was developing weapons in the early 90s against treaties, the North Koreans said they were sorry then to and that led to the US giving them aide that eventually accelerated North Koreas nuclear weapon developement.

So lets hope this is a good thing and that we can dodge the bullet, but nobody better use this opportunity to criticize Bush policy because it seems that the Bush Administration's 'ruthless' sanctions have worked for the moment.

[Hardhat]

first of all these are not the "bush administrations sanctions" that is not politically. They are a collection of the united nations sanctions. I say this because in my opinon the U.S is the only nation in the U.N that has a backbone and will do even a small amount of what they say. I am very pissed off about the U.N but that is another disscussion.

Yes i hope Kim is being true, but i dont believe it. In my mind it is just another attempt to take the lime light off of himself

[Slizor]

So lets hope this is a good thing and that we can dodge the bullet, but nobody better use this opportunity to criticize Bush policy because it seems that the Bush Administration's 'ruthless' sanctions have worked for the moment.

Or the sanctions have done nothing and this is what North Korea was planning all along - to return to 6-party talks possessing a stronger hand. Why else would they want nukes? To use them?

[Hardhat]

exactly in my oppinon these nuke test were nothing more than a smart play by north korea to add a powerful bargaining chip to its deck

At 10/20/06 06:03 AM, hardhat wrote: exactly in my oppinon these nuke test were nothing more than a smart play by north korea to add a powerful bargaining chip to its deck

If he was any sort of leader, he would use this chip to help his people. But he won't do that. Infact, he'll use it as a deterent or threat against other nations. He'll simply say "Hey, give us some shit or we'll nuke you."

[Hardhat]

I cant argue with that have you ever seen this pic

[Hardhat]

sorry i forgot to explain what it is

This is a pic at night, the white spots are lights

Compare north korea to south korea

[EnragedSephiroth]

At 10/20/06 06:14 AM, hardhat wrote: I cant argue with that have you ever seen this pic

That's a pretty old pic... things can change in 6 years, however, it is N.Korea we're speaking of so.. they might have 2 or 3 white dots now :/

It's good Kim Jong is acting a bit more mature and wants to talk now, although I would still be skeptical about even him sneezing.

[Camarohusky]

George hasn't done anything wrong with the Norht Korean situation except for one thing... Not doing anything.

We know nothing about North Korea. We haven't tried one damn thing to even learn anything about north korea. We also haven't tried to stop North Korea either. At least go to North Korea and give them the lip service of a meeting, and then you can malke decisions. They aren't demanding anything that costs yet. Just a meeting. Give them that and see where the situation goes. Or we could just let the fire burn when there is an extinguisher sitting right next to us...

[Dash-Underscore-Dash]

At 10/20/06 12:06 PM, Grammer wrote: Kim Jong Il lied before, why not lie again?

Hey, come on, he said he was sorry!

[Imperator]

At 10/20/06 06:08 PM, Dash-Underscore-Dash wrote:

At 10/20/06 12:06 PM, Grammer wrote: Kim Jong Il lied before, why not lie again?

Hey, come on, he said he was sorry!

Yeah, he's sorry alright. Sorry his bomb wasn't bigger and better.......

[ImmoralLibertarian]

At 10/20/06 06:12 PM, Imperator wrote: Yeah, he's sorry alright. Sorry his bomb wasn't bigger and better.......

A mini-nuke for a mini-dictator.

[Imperator]

What I love most is the fact that he claims the bombs are for defense against US Imperialism.

A North Korean official, meanwhile, defended last week's nuclear test and said Pyongyang would "crush U.S. imperialists' schemes with its self-defensive power."

Right, so we haven't invaded for 50 years, but they are scared pissless of being invaded......

**coughBULLSHITcough***

[TheMason]

At 10/20/06 05:52 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:
Before people immediately jump on the wagon and demand that Bush have direct talks with North Korea, just remember that the North Korean leader has pulled mind games like this before. When the US discovered that Kim Jong il was developing weapons in the early 90s against treaties, the North Koreans said they were sorry then to and that led to the US giving them aide that eventually accelerated North Koreas nuclear weapon developement.

So lets hope this is a good thing and that we can dodge the bullet, but nobody better use this opportunity to criticize Bush policy because it seems that the Bush Administration's 'ruthless' sanctions have worked for the moment.

Sanctions have had nothing to do with this. Pyongyang is a mysterious creature that moves according to its own logic. Ever hear abut the "Silent War" in the late 1960s and early 1970s? It ended as enigmatically as it began.

I think Bush should give into bilateral talks, but not as a sign of weakness. He should do it on the condition that the US be allowed to establish a permanetly staffed diplomatic mission (an envoy, not a full embassy). This would be the best chess move Bush could make right now.

[Dash-Underscore-Dash]

At 10/20/06 06:12 PM, Imperator wrote:

At 10/20/06 06:08 PM, Dash-Underscore-Dash wrote:

At 10/20/06 12:06 PM, Grammer wrote: Kim Jong Il lied before, why not lie again?

Hey, come on, he said he was sorry!

Yeah, he's sorry alright. Sorry his bomb wasn't bigger and better.......

I say we give him a nuke just to cheer him up. Just a small one is all.

[Camarohusky]

At 10/20/06 12:06 PM, Grammer wrote: That's a damn lie and you know it. America has consistenly offered sixparty talks to North Korea. We're not going to follow in the footsteps on a policy that didn't do jack.

Six party talks are a big joke. Why don't we just force Kim Jong Ill to dress in a dairper and suck on a pacifier the entire time. We "claim" that the other 4 countries have a part in this, but that's crap and you know it.

Russia and China aren't playing the role of antagonist to North Korea, only the US, Japan and Korea are. Myabe we should onyl have 4 party talks then? Do you know where South Korea's and Japan bargaining chips i n this situation lie? In US submarines, in US bases, and US silo and so on. The US is the only antagonistic power that has nuclear weapons, so we should be the only ones tlaking to them, at least for the one meeting North Korea asked for.

There is no reason to bring the other nations who don't have a say, or don't care about North Korea. All that would do is humiliate them, and trust me, humiliating a fringe nuclear power is not the right course of action.

[TheMason]

At 10/20/06 07:35 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 10/20/06 12:06 PM, Grammer wrote:

There is no reason to bring the other nations who don't have a say, or don't care about North Korea. All that would do is humiliate them, and trust me, humiliating a fringe nuclear power is not the right course of action.

China has huge say in this as well as actual power to lend credibility to its claim to participate in the talks.

N. Korea is their buffer against the US as well as presenting a significant refugee/immigrant and humanitarian crisis that will directly impact them. If you think they do not have a say or don't care or has a place at the table then you must be either illinformed or smoking something...

[cellardoor6]

At 10/20/06 07:35 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 10/20/06 12:06 PM, Grammer wrote: That's a damn lie and you know it. America has consistenly offered sixparty talks to North Korea. We're not going to follow in the footsteps on a policy that didn't do jack.

Six party talks are a big joke. Why don't we just force Kim Jong Ill to dress in a dairper and suck on a pacifier the entire time. We "claim" that the other 4 countries have a part in this, but that's crap and you know it.

No, now we don't 'know it'. Frankly you don't know what you're talking about.

There is no reason to bring the other nations who don't have a say, or don't care about North Korea. All that would do is humiliate them, and trust me, humiliating a fringe nuclear power is not the right course of action.

What are you talking about? The only legitimate talks would be six-party talks because the conflict of interests isn't just between the US and North Korea, despite what people want to think, and despite the claims of Kim Jong il.

China, Russian, Japan and South Korea all have a hand to play, they all have to agree on certain things in order for the situation to be resolved. If it was just the US and North Korea talking that wouldn't mean shit because the US doesn't represent South Korea and Japan even though they are dependents of the US, South Korea and Japan can't be forced to do anything in accordance with an agreement that the US and north Korea come to. And... North Korea certainly doesn't represent China and Russia who are North Koreas biggest lifelines and would be the foundation of an incentive program to dissuade further nuclear development by North korea.

Any agreement that North korea and the US came to would mean nothing, just like it all meant NOTHING in the 90s. And i'm sure just like the bilateral talks the US and North korea had in the 90s, it would just cause more problems and piss of the other parties. You need all six parties to be involved in the agreements because all six parties are needed to enforce the agreements or provide incentives and so forth.

[ForcedDj]

What is Kim Jong-Il thinking, that we are stupid? I think he is lying, I mean he lied alot of times. Unless he takes down every nuclear weapons he has, I won't believe him.

[TheMason]

At 10/21/06 04:58 AM, ForcedDj wrote: What is Kim Jong-Il thinking, that we are stupid? I think he is lying, I mean he lied alot of times. Unless he takes down every nuclear weapons he has, I won't believe him.

Believe it or not Kim is probably working according to his own logic and domestic politics. He has an agenda here that goes beyond the US. If he is sorry and realizes that he has made a mistake, then it is not because he has angered the US, but that he miscalculated China's response.

If sanctions worked here, it was the work of the Chinese rather than the Americans...

[Proteas]

At 10/21/06 08:37 PM, Grammer wrote: You're going to tell me we should go it alone, when that is the exact same policy Clinton attempted? Don't make me laugh

It's hypocritical leftwing liberal bullshit again, grammer. They just want the current administration to go ahead and take military action against North Korea just so a month from now they can sit back and go "WHY DIDN'T WE TRY DIPLOMACY?!" and have another reason to gripe about the current administration.

To which I say; screw you all, you're not fooling anyone.

Oh yeah, it's crap alright.

Yep, and so is the rumour that Kim Jong Ill said he was sorry about testing nukes.

[ViolentAJ]

Heh. I guess Kimmy plans to just say "Me so solly" and get away with it eh? Then, when our backs are turned, WHAMMY! Nukes all around!

I don't think we can trust this character.

[scorchin-hot]

you mean he's solly ROR

[Slizor]

Right, so we haven't invaded for 50 years, but they are scared pissless of being invaded......

**coughBULLSHITcough***

The US justified the invasion of Iraq on the grounds that Iraq was a threat.......

[superunknown505]

At 10/22/06 11:08 AM, Slizor wrote:

Right, so we haven't invaded for 50 years, but they are scared pissless of being invaded......

**coughBULLSHITcough***

The US justified the invasion of Iraq on the grounds that Iraq was a threat.......

Yeah Iraq was a threat. What a load. We beleived Iraq had wepons of mass destruction when we entered. Now years later a hundreds of bodies later N. Korea has set of a nuke and sent threats. Why aren't we doing any thing because are great leader still is in the Middle East because he wants to be just like daddy. Daddy failed there so his lil boy goes to finish the job. Thats why we've been in Iraq so long past the so called war after their disarment. Now the people don't even want us there. I guess all we get to say is God bless America lets go send our people to their deaths.

[Imperator]

At 10/22/06 11:08 AM, Slizor wrote:

Right, so we haven't invaded for 50 years, but they are scared pissless of being invaded......

**coughBULLSHITcough***

The US justified the invasion of Iraq on the grounds that Iraq was a threat.......

If we had been bitching about Iraq for the past 50 years (like North Korea has about US Imperialism) then you're point would make sense.

Otherwise, keep the fuckin Iraq war crap OFF the thread.

[stafffighter]

Who Kim was acting opposed to is meaningless. He's exactly the same whoever has been running America. His actions are not even related to America but rather the world population, which is what these U.N measures stem from.
If you're so desperate to compair him to Americans look at what we were doing to someone we thought had w.m.d's while he was screaming at us that he had them.

[Slizor]

Right, so we haven't invaded for 50 years, but they are scared pissless of being invaded......

**coughBULLSHITcough***

The US justified the invasion of Iraq on the grounds that Iraq was a threat.......

If we had been bitching about Iraq for the past 50 years (like North Korea has about US Imperialism) then you're point would make sense.

Otherwise, keep the fuckin Iraq war crap OFF the thread.

It does actually still make sense. I'll walk you through it.

You said that NK justifying building a nuke by claiming to be scared of attack by someone who won't attack them is bullshit.
I said that the US justifying attacking Iraq by claiming to be scared of attack by someone who won't attack them is bullshit.

Do you understand the similarity? Can you see it?? I'll highlight it for you - "claiming to be scared of attack by someone who won't attack them is bullshit." We clear on that point now? Understand?

[TheMason]

Bump to make a point.

[Alphabit]

North Korea is like a kid atm... One seond they're sorry and the next they're repeating the same offence.