Russia: A New Complication

[NJDeadzone]

i just heard on CNN news that the Russians are selling anti-tank bazookas, night vision goggles, and radar jamming devices to the Iraqis...

Like we didn't see that coming

[NEMESiSZ]

Well of course, the Iraqis sell them oil.

[JudgeDredd]

..since America and England have stopped selling Iraq weapons for oil, then other nations were sure to move in an pick up the slack.

[NEMESiSZ]

Have you been dating the sexy Ms. Information?

[Slizor]

Well of course, the Iraqis sell them oil.

Why doesn't America sell them weapons, America recieves by far the biggest chunk of Iraqi oil.

[NEMESiSZ]

Yeah, even though they don't recieve any.

Seriously, where do you get your information, the lucid dreams you have at night? CBS?

[cylon]

It may be misleading to just say "the Russians", because it wasn't the government that sold the weapons, but a company from inside Russia that is believed to have sold the weapons/equipment.

It is still a violation of UN Sanctions, and I guess stopping this sort of thing is something the Russian government will have to work out.

Personally, I can't blame the Russian government for this, unless it comes out that the company was a front for them or something like that. American goods (such as cigarettes) have found their way into Iraq despite sanctions - this seems a lot less severe than military equipment, but both are still examples of companies bypassing their respective nation's sanctions.

[JudgeDredd]

Immoral global sanctioning is the extreme opposite of capitalism and free-market forces. Just shows how feck'd up America is to say "WE will liberate Iraq from sanctions"

ie. Operation Iraqi Liberation

[implodinggoat]

At 3/23/03 06:32 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Yeah, even though they don't recieve any.

Seriously, where do you get your information, the lucid dreams you have at night? CBS?

He is claiming that the Soviet Union weren't communists now. Fact has littel meaning for him. As long as the bullshit he serves up supports his cause he doesn't care if its true or not.....Its very Goebbles of him.

[NEMESiSZ]

Speaking of fake news, I heard Englad just surrendered to the IRA, and the country is now in control of the new Prime Minister Teddy McGuiness.

I figured you would've heard about that, Slizor, since you seem to be the king of BS.

[NJDeadzone]

At 3/23/03 06:43 PM, experiment_b wrote:
Personally, I can't blame the Russian government for this, unless it comes out that the company was a front for them or something like that. American goods (such as cigarettes) have found their way into Iraq despite sanctions - this seems a lot less severe than military equipment, but both are still examples of companies bypassing their respective nation's sanctions.

no government can be laissez-faire enough to let companies violate international law

[RoboTripper]

Slizor wrote:
Why doesn't America sell them weapons, America recieves by far the biggest chunk of Iraqi oil.

At 3/23/03 06:32 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Yeah, even though they don't recieve any.

Seriously, where do you get your information, the lucid dreams you have at night? CBS?

I've heard you repeat this claim a couple of times NEMESiSZ. I think you are wrong - if what you are stating is that the U.S. doesn't receive any Iraqi oil. The U.S. is Iraq's biggest customer for oil. They get it through the food-for-oil program.

http://www.cfr.org/background/background_iraq_oil.php

[NJDeadzone]

At 3/23/03 10:36 PM, DenkSmoker wrote: The U.S. is Iraq's biggest customer for oil. They get it through the food-for-oil program.

Be that as it may, Iraq is #8 on the US's list of countries the US purchases the most oil from, i've said this about a dozen times now. #1 and #2 are Canada and Venezuela respectively.

Just goes to show how much oil we actually consume(or steal away for ourselves)

[Der-Ubermensch]

At 3/23/03 03:48 PM, NJDeadzone wrote: i just heard on CNN news that the Russians are selling anti-tank bazookas, night vision goggles, and radar jamming devices to the Iraqis...

Like we didn't see that coming

Ahh good old Vlad... Don't you all pretend now that a few insignificant weapons are going to turn the tide. Maybe now though the US grunts will have a little more of a sporting challenge ahead of them.

[NEMESiSZ]

You're wrong, Europe gets oil from Iraq, the USA gets oil only from South America, Saudi Arabia, and itself.

[Jimsween]

What about Kuwait?

[JMHX]

At 3/23/03 11:29 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: You're wrong, Europe gets oil from Iraq, the USA gets oil only from South America, Saudi Arabia, and itself.

Well, that's why we're over there. We're going to free up some new oil interest for independent contractors to start up again. Oh, Big Busine$$ is a great thing to have behind the big guns of war.

[JMHX]

I apologize, that might have just been the stupidest thing I've ever said. Don't bother flaming, I yield my relevance on this topic.

[Jimsween]

Damn... you're too quick for me.

[NJDeadzone]

At 3/23/03 11:29 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: You're wrong, Europe gets oil from Iraq, the USA gets oil only from South America, Saudi Arabia, and itself.

darn tootin'

[NEMESiSZ]

Don't believe the liberal media, or al-jazeera, they're kind of biased, you dig?

[NJDeadzone]

At 3/24/03 04:37 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Don't believe the liberal media, or al-jazeera, they're kind of biased, you dig?

all media is biased. Even the choice of presenting material indicates subjective thought

[Slizor]

Seriously, where do you get your information, the lucid dreams you have at night? CBS?

You may have heard of them the "C.I.A.". I hear they're kind of big in America.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html

[NEMESiSZ]

Wow, way to back up your argument, too bad I wasn't calling you a moron for mis-estimating the land area of iraq.

[JudgeDredd]

At 3/24/03 05:34 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Wow, way to back up your argument, too bad I wasn't calling you a moron for mis-estimating the land area of iraq.

..or any other country for that matter.

Great link Slizor!

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html

[Slizor]

Wow, way to back up your argument, too bad I wasn't calling you a moron for mis-estimating the land area of iraq.

Too bad you can't scroll down to see it says "Exports - Oil" "Export partners - America!" Also I think this has something on it http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,882512,00.html

Not that I can be bothered to look.

[BinLadenmustdie]

In December 1999 the UN Security Council authorized Iraq to export under the program as much oil as required to meet humanitarian needs. Oil exports are now more than three-quarters prewar level. However, 28% of Iraq's export revenues under the program are deducted to meet UN Compensation Fund and UN administrative expenses.

Wow. This might explain why the UN has been draggin their heels on the Iraq issue. Maybe they don't think they'll get such a sweetheart deal this time around.

[Slizor]

In December 1999 the UN Security Council authorized Iraq to export under the program as much oil as required to meet humanitarian needs. Oil exports are now more than three-quarters prewar level. However, 28% of Iraq's export revenues under the program are deducted to meet UN Compensation Fund and UN administrative expenses.

Wow. This might explain why the UN has been draggin their heels on the Iraq issue. Maybe they don't think they'll get such a sweetheart deal this time around.

It doesn't. You failed to make the distinction between UN the organisation and the countries involved in the UN(specifically the Security Council.) The countries involved in the UN have been "dragging their heels" not UN the organisation.

Nemmy-poo: What...no response?

[RoboTripper]

At 3/25/03 11:29 AM, Slizor wrote:
Nemmy-poo: What...no response?

He's not man enough to admit when he's wrong.

Either that or he's just trying to get a rise out of people by making blatantly false posts.

[NJDeadzone]

you solicit it?