WAR (for or against?)

[NSS-SEPP]

Id like to know what you guys think.

Are you guys for or against the war?
And plz post a bit why you are pro-war or anti-war.

[NEMESiSZ]

This is the internet, everyone is anti-war.

[NJDeadzone]

more like everyone is pro-war until they're drafted

[NEMESiSZ]

Are you kidding? Including myself there's maybe 3 people here who don't run around saying "OMG BUSH IS DUMB" in every post.

[NJDeadzone]

not everyone on the internet is in this forum, i was being very general, i respect the brave anti-war speakers such as yourself because you give fact behind your arguments. I don't want to dwell on the others.

[bumcheekcity]

against. haven't you got an idea from looking at other peoples posts? surely you must have some idea

[Metalsiege]

I'd have to say I'm for the war. Saddam has been asking for us to bomb the shit out of him from the start. Besides, if a draft comes around it's not like you can get away from it.. and if you run from that you're just letting down the nation. If you think it's wrong to draft then perhaps you should take a damn good look at all the memorial walls we have spread across the United States of America. For you to purposely dodge the draft is telling those people who gave their lives and the soldiers today that you would run and hide because you'd affraid to do your duty as an American citizen.

[control1]

i'm like 13 man so all this draft buisness is like realy far off but i'm against the war but also i think that the gov know a whole hell of a lot more then i ever will about it so i think they should just do what they think the have to

[Jimsween]

For, but im too lazy to go on about why...

[lapslf]

against.
Nobody has the right to go to war whenever he pleases.

[TheShrike]

Against.

Pre-emptive... ugh...

[JMHX]

Against. Vengeance in family lines is no grounds for the capturing and murder of American forces.

[BinLadenmustdie]

Saddam has broken the cease fire agreement since '91 so many times, we've lost count. Besides the countless murders/rapes/tortures he's committed against his own people-- (did you know they actually have a guy on the military's payroll to this day whose sole job is to rape?) --the Iraqi has shot at our planes in the no-fly zones thousands of times throughout the 90s and even hundreds of times earlier this year. That alone is an act of war. Then there's all the UN violations. There are so many reasons this is the right thing to do.

We've been justified for going into Iraq since shortly after the cease fire. Those who are against probably have their heart in the right place---everyone's ultimate goal on both sides is peace---but they don't take the whole history of the situation into account. Removing Saddam is an unpleasant job that, unfortunately, we have to take care of since not many other countries have the backbone to stand up and do the right thing (and risk the ire of other Arab countries). They do all, however, agree that Saddam must disarmed -- the unanimous vote on 1441 demonstrates that.

Because of our unique situation as the most powerful nation in the world, we also carry extra burdens. In the past, the most powerful nations in the world attempted to use their might to expand their power and conquer. The USA, on the other hand, is a generous nation. We give more foreign aid than any other country. (If one tries to argue that we should because we are the richest, note that not one oil-producing Arab country is in the top 20) We are among the top 5 trading partners for nearly every country on earth. No country in the history of the world has helped spread the virtues of democracy, capitalism, humanitarianism and individual liberty throughout the world like the United States of America.

We do, indeed have many extra burdens as the lone superpower. One of them, like it or not, is to be the world's reluctant policeman when necessary. It is.

[JMHX]

It is his OWN people. He is no direct threat to the United States of America, and has never directly attacked United States soil. Do we ever look at Ethiopia, where warlords are killing millions each year and letting the children starve to death? Did we ever cast a hand to Joseph Stalin or Pol Pot, who both died without so much as a military invasion by the United States? No, we're focusing on Iraq because it's in Bush blood. What about North Korea? They have a goddamn nuclear weapon! You'll never hear THEM mentioned by Bush.

[Metalsiege]

Actually, I U.S. has provided aid in those countries however small. For the most part it has been with food, technology and other items that was have large amounts left over and are willing to give away. Just because the news isn't covering the situation in those countires you mentioned doesn't mean that we haven't taken steps to prevent the destruction of innocents. Just look at how many units have been deployed outside of the U.S. to protect other countries from themselves, continue the peace process, and to protect the interest of all involved parties without causing too much of a stir.

We may have the softest heart when it comes to world issues, but we'll still slap the shit out of any nation or people that decides they want to do something that goes against all reasoning.

[lapslf]

At 3/24/03 10:02 AM, BinLadenmustdie wrote: but they don't take the whole history of the situation into account.

Talking about the whole history... Did the fact that the US armed Saddam themselves so they could fight against the Russians come up in your head?

[TheEvilOne]

At 3/24/03 12:11 PM, Veggiemeal wrote: Talking about the whole history... Did the fact that the US armed Saddam themselves so they could fight against the Russians come up in your head?

And this is relevant because...?

[BinLadenmustdie]

At 3/24/03 12:11 PM, Veggiemeal wrote:

At 3/24/03 10:02 AM, BinLadenmustdie wrote: but they don't take the whole history of the situation into account.

Talking about the whole history... Did the fact that the US armed Saddam themselves so they could fight against the Russians come up in your head?

It was when he was at war against Iran, genius. Get your propaganda straight before trying to act like you know what the fuck it going on.

[OpIvy420]

I am for a free Iraq, however, I am against this war partly because it seems hypocritical. Why does Iraq get freed from tyranny when the people of other nations (Saudi Arabia, China, etc.) are forced to endure torture and injustice because trade with them and the U.S. is still good?

In addition, what does the United States plan for a post-war Iraq? Chances are democracy isn't going to bloom right away. The Coalition will install another dictator who will offer the U.S. better business deals, but may not be any better than Saddam Hussein.

[LedZep77]

At 3/23/03 03:46 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: This is the internet, everyone is anti-war.

hahaha true i hate war man, my friend has family in Bagdad. It sucks man. ANTI-WAR!

[Jimsween]

At 3/24/03 07:45 PM, OpIvy420 wrote: Why does Iraq get freed from tyranny when the people of other nations (Saudi Arabia, China, etc.) are forced to endure torture and injustice because trade with them and the U.S. is still good?

Saudi Arabians actually have a very nice life. Just because woman over there dont have the same rights as woman over here do doesnt mean that they dont like it. And I dont think china is too bad off but they could be better overe there so those two were very bad examples. The reason that we dont just go to war with countries where people are being treated badly is because we need to have a better reason than that. Some people would argue that its just a different culture and we have to respect that they chose to murder thier people. Of course those people are complete idiots but idiots can vote too...

[Dagodevas]

I'm in support for the war on Iraq. Don't mistake me though. I'm not like "Whhooooo! Go kick his ass!" I'm no more thrilled over this war than most of you are, but I'm aware that sometimes you have to do ugly and difficult things in order to make things right. Saddam is treating his people inhumanely and he does pose a threat on the free world. Whether you choose to complain about it and make that ridiculous "It's all about the oil" claim, make no mistake about it, Saddam's removal of power is what's best for everybody and there's no other way to get him out of power than by force. Think realistically here, do you really think he'll just obey us when we demand for him to leave Iraq and his position of power? Yeah, he'll obey that like he has everything else the U.N. and has asked of him. We have to force him out of power, even if he leaves it kicking and screaming.

Kazou Kiriyama

[MuscleHed]

I am pro-war and pro-bush. The reasons I have been given for being against bush and war are so asinine, I think I lost a few brain cells just hearing people talk about it them! Bush is a good President, I have seen no proof to the contrary. Yes, he has made a few mistakes, but no more then previous presidents. And those who don’t think Saddam has Weapons of Mass Destruction needs to remove their head from their anal civility and watch the new every once in a while!

[NSS-SEPP]

have you guys noticed that those antiwar activists are really aggressive?

They demonstrate for peace and their peace-ideology, but they use Violence to demonstrate for peace? :s

[lapslf]

At 3/24/03 12:39 PM, BinLadenmustdie wrote:

At 3/24/03 12:11 PM, Veggiemeal wrote:

At 3/24/03 10:02 AM, BinLadenmustdie wrote: but they don't take the whole history of the situation into account.

Talking about the whole history... Did the fact that the US armed Saddam themselves so they could fight against the Russians come up in your head?

It was when he was at war against Iran, genius. Get your propaganda straight before trying to act like you know what the fuck it going on.

My mistake, I got a confused with the taliban. I just kinda lost sight over all the stupid things the yanks have done.

[Metalsiege]

Protests like today happened during Vietnam, lets just hope they don't start acting like idiots too. Saying our soldiers are baby killers and all that crap was pathetic. Why can't they just support the troops and maybe sit on a forum to protest. At least that way I don't have to change the damn channel all the time. :)

[JMHX]

At 3/25/03 12:57 PM, Metalsiege wrote: Protests like today happened during Vietnam, lets just hope they don't start acting like idiots too. Saying our soldiers are baby killers and all that crap was pathetic. Why can't they just support the troops and maybe sit on a forum to protest. At least that way I don't have to change the damn channel all the time. :)

Vietnam was a bad time for Antiwar protesters. It's when we stopped being human and started sounding like idiots. I try and space myself from the protesters in the streets if for nothing more than to keep free of all of the propaganda they're shoveling.

[ChiBangin101]

Exactly! Troops need our support. They don't want to know that their favorite celebrities think that they're murderers.

Great news. Iraqi citizens are being assisted by British troops in Basrah to help overthrow Saddam's troops! The people of Iraq have spoken, they want freedom, and I'm willing to help them and other countries in ridding this world of mad men.

[JMHX]

In other news: People in Basra ran out of water and edible food. They're fighting on dry promises that a lot of aid is coming through a mined port.

[Slizor]

the Iraqi has shot at our planes in the no-fly zones thousands of times throughout the 90s and even hundreds of times earlier this year.

See now I don't think there is anything wrong with attacking military planes flying around your country bombing places. I mean it could just be me, but I think that's fine.

Because of our unique situation as the most powerful nation in the world, we also carry extra burdens. In the past, the most powerful nations in the world attempted to use their might to expand their power and conquer.

Like the US has done in Panama, Guetamala, El Salvador, etc, etc.

The USA, on the other hand, is a generous nation. We give more foreign aid than any other country.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2062.html
That's not true objectively, or relatively. See, the UK and Germany almost give the same amount despite having a lot less people in their countries.

No country in the history of the world has helped spread the virtues of democracy

Like in Chile?

capitalism

Ah, so it's a good thing to spread your economic ideas.....like say the USSR?

humanitarianism

Hahahahaha.

and individual liberty

Damn straight, I'm sure the Guetamalans loved their dictator.