"I'm too fat to be executed!"

[IllustriousPotentate]

So this guy in Ohio says:

[Source]

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- A federal judge on Tuesday delayed next week's execution of cult leader Jeffrey Lundgren to allow him to join a lawsuit by five other death row inmates challenging the state's use of lethal injection.

In his request to join the lawsuit, Lundgren, 56, said he is at even greater risk of experiencing pain and suffering during the procedure than other inmates because he is overweight and diabetic.

Similar lawsuits filed in several states have led to the halting of executions in Missouri, Delaware and New Jersey.

Opponents have argued that the use of the lethal injection is unconstitutionally cruel and painful and that the procedure is often carried out without specifically trained medical personnel present.

But Ohio's method of lethal injection came under national scrutiny by death penalty opponents in May after problems slowed the execution of another inmate who was a former intravenous drug user and the vein the execution team chose collapsed as the chemicals started flowing.

Why not guillotine him? It would be quick and painless, regardless of his medical condition(s).

[Altarus]

At 10/18/06 11:03 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: Why not guillotine him? It would be quick and painless, regardless of his medical condition(s).

Mishaps can occur with that too. It is extremely painful when the blade gets lodged in your neck and someone has to finish the job by hand. Also, it is not painless since the disembodied head can remain conscious for about 5-10 seconds on the floor. But, how about this--we put him to sleep, then guilltotine him.

Actually, I think we should just strangulate people as that is an extremely easy way to go and has little chance for mishap.

[EnragedSephiroth]

At 10/18/06 11:03 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: Why not guillotine him? It would be quick and painless, regardless of his medical condition(s).

The guillotine could give enough time for someone to pick up his head and show him just how fatty fat fatso he was. :/ I'm mean, sorry. Nah I say they just fire up ol' sparky >:D

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 10/18/06 11:13 PM, Altarus wrote:

At 10/18/06 11:03 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: Why not guillotine him? It would be quick and painless, regardless of his medical condition(s).

Mishaps can occur with that too. It is extremely painful when the blade gets lodged in your neck and someone has to finish the job by hand.

Not with a weighted blade.

Also, it is not painless since the disembodied head can remain conscious for about 5-10 seconds on the floor. But, how about this--we put him to sleep, then guilltotine him.

Well, putting him to sleep runs into the same problems with a lethal injection.

If there has to be executions, why do we have to sit here and worry about someone feeling a little pain? If I'm not mistaken, the Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, not pain. At least, not minor pain. So what if they have to reinsert the needle a couple of times? It's happened to me when I've given blood to the Red Cross, and I'm sure it's happened to millions of others when they've donated blood or had bloodwork done. So, if I can deal with it, why is it suddenly cruel and unusual when adminstering a lethal injection?

[jlwelch]

At 10/18/06 11:16 PM, EnragedSephiroth wrote:

At 10/18/06 11:03 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: Why not guillotine him? It would be quick and painless, regardless of his medical condition(s).

Unless the blade was dull and stopped halfway through his neck. Then he would be flopping around like a dried up catfish on the shore. Also, if a chicken can run around after decapitation for a short while (or even a long while as I've learned) then why can't humans?

http://archive.salon..6/chicken/index.html

On second thought, if it were humanly possible it would be funny as hell!

[EnragedSephiroth]

At 10/19/06 12:16 AM, jlwelch wrote: On second thought, if it were humanly possible it would be funny as hell!

That's not very Christian jwelch :P

Notice what I posted about someone picking up his head and showing the guy just how fat he was.

[wwwyzzerdd]

At 10/18/06 11:03 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: Why not guillotine him? It would be quick and painless, regardless of his medical condition(s).

1) Rather unusual, and a bit crude.
2) Might have troubles getting through his fat neck.

[Tervos]

oh and Mcdonalds is the one respoinsible for making me fat! not me, the one who goes there everyday by my choosing and eats 5 double cheeseburgers at each and every meal! since when has weight EVER had an impact (no pun intended) on how a person dies???unless they are to be killed by crushing? that's a joke but seriously, next thing you know, people are gonna sue the car manufacturers for making an unsafe car after their spouse goes and gets drunk and wraps it around a telephone pole doing 180.

[cellardoor6]

They should reinstate death by firing squad.

Murders who kill innocent people shouldn't have the luxury of having a completely painless death.

Firing squads may have a bad connotation but they are efficient and cheap. 12 men, 12 rifles, 2 loaded with bullets, 10 loaded with blanks, they shoot simultaneously at the mans heart from 15 feet away. Then the rifleman who actually killed the man won't have anyway of being sure he did it and can avoid the guilt that executioners usually have. Then the cost would only be like 10 cents for a sticker to put over the mans heart for a point of aim, about 2 bucks for bullets and blanks, and you have a dead murderer for cheap, texas style. Problem solved.

[JerkClock]

At 10/18/06 11:03 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:

Why not guillotine him? It would be quick and painless, regardless of his medical condition(s).

Quick? Yes, painless? I doubt it. Something about the big blade just made me think it might happen to hurt. I'm not against using it, just saying it isn't quick and painless.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

At 10/18/06 11:11 PM, Pro-American wrote: Okay, who let the Canadians' ruin this execution?

I WANT ANSWERS AND I WANT THEM NOW!

I agree Pro-American lets kick Canadian Ass.

[SolInvictus]

At 10/18/06 11:11 PM, Pro-American wrote: Okay, who let the Canadians' ruin this execution?

I WANT ANSWERS AND I WANT THEM NOW!

hey, don't look at me. the only reason i don't completley support capital punishment is because of wrongful conviction, other than that who gives a damn if he/she suffers?

[SolInvictus]

and how painful can it be? its a fucking needle, you can murder people but you're too much of a pussy to have a needle stuck into your arm? come on.

[SEXY-FETUS]

At 10/19/06 05:21 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: They should reinstate death by firing squad.

Murders who kill innocent people shouldn't have the luxury of having a completely painless death.

Firing squads may have a bad connotation but they are efficient and cheap. 12 men, 12 rifles, 2 loaded with bullets, 10 loaded with blanks, they shoot simultaneously at the mans heart from 15 feet away. Then the rifleman who actually killed the man won't have anyway of being sure he did it and can avoid the guilt that executioners usually have. Then the cost would only be like 10 cents for a sticker to put over the mans heart for a point of aim, about 2 bucks for bullets and blanks, and you have a dead murderer for cheap, texas style. Problem solved.

I can't remember what country, but in an asian country they have the best death penalty in the world. One bullet in the back of the head. And your family is charged the cost of the bullet.

[SolInvictus]

At 10/19/06 05:18 PM, SEXY-FETUS wrote: I can't remember what country, but in an asian country they have the best death penalty in the world. One bullet in the back of the head. And your family is charged the cost of the bullet.

i think thats China. it reminds me of something Stalin once said with regards to execution "a traitor's reward is seven grams of lead to the back of the head" or something equally great.

[Begoner]

Why not guillotine him? It would be quick and painless, regardless of his medical condition(s).

Quick? Painless? I think not. Some people may live over 10 seconds after their head has been severed from their body. Here's an interesting link on it:

http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=495

While I am decidedly against the death penalty, if a state must have one, why can't they just shoot the presumed criminal point-blank in the head? That, to me, seems to be the most humane route possible.

[SolInvictus]

At 10/19/06 05:48 PM, Begoner wrote: While I am decidedly against the death penalty, if a state must have one, why can't they just shoot the presumed criminal point-blank in the head? That, to me, seems to be the most humane route possible.

its still not really a guaranteed kill.

[Begoner]

its still not really a guaranteed kill.

Sure it is. If you aim extremely precisely, you will be able to kill a man in under 1/10 of a second. Have you ever seen a movie with some sort of hostage situation, where there are snipers all around? If they are ordered to shoot, they have a specific part of the brain to aim at so that the suspect will not be able to get a shot off before he dies.

[Imperator]

Have you ever seen a movie

I love people who give this line as the start of their evidence and explanation of their theories and hypotheses.......

My retort:

Movies are not real life. Just cause someone gets dropped in a movie doesn't mean jack fuckin shit.

[Begoner]

I love people who give this line as the start of their evidence and explanation of their theories and hypotheses.......

No, I was justing citing an example of such shot placement. Here's a quote from the Wikipedia article on snipers.

Police snipers who generally engage at much shorter distances may attempt head shots to ensure the kill. In instant-death hostage situations, police snipers shoot for the cerebellum, a part of the brain that controls voluntary movement that lies at the base of the skull.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 10/19/06 06:28 PM, Begoner wrote:

No, I was justing citing an example of such shot placement. Here's a quote from the Wikipedia article on snipers.

Depends strongly on the caliber of the bullet being used.

Some people have lived after taking a 9mm bullet to the head before.

To make it a lethal shot, you would up the ante so to speak.

[Elfer]

You know, if you used a logical fucking lethal injection system, this wouldn't be an issue at all.

The problem is, your lethal injection system seems intentionally designed to cause awareness and intense suffering in the person being executed, while maintaining the illusion of a painless death.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 10/19/06 06:46 PM, Elfer wrote:

The problem is, your lethal injection system seems intentionally designed to cause awareness and intense suffering in the person being executed, while maintaining the illusion of a painless death.

Shh, you'll give it away.

[ManticoreNight]

At 10/19/06 02:22 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: I agree Pro-American lets kick Canadian Ass.

Lol, Americans would and could never do that. Stop talking big and go back to squaredancing.

[cellardoor6]

At 10/19/06 05:18 PM, SEXY-FETUS wrote:

At 10/19/06 05:21 AM, cellardoor6 wrote:

Firing squads may have a bad connotation but they are efficient and cheap. 12 men, 12 rifles, 2 loaded with bullets, 10 loaded with blanks, they shoot simultaneously at the mans heart from 15 feet away. Then the rifleman who actually killed the man won't have anyway of being sure he did it and can avoid the guilt that executioners usually have. Then the cost would only be like 10 cents for a sticker to put over the mans heart for a point of aim, about 2 bucks for bullets and blanks, and you have a dead murderer for cheap, texas style. Problem solved.

I can't remember what country, but in an asian country they have the best death penalty in the world. One bullet in the back of the head. And your family is charged the cost of the bullet.

China. Thats how they execute you in China. They also slaughter thousands of students every decade or so when they protest against the Communist government then divide the price of the bullets by the number of people killed, then have the family of each murdered person pay for that portion.

At 10/19/06 06:28 PM, Begoner wrote:

I love people who give this line as the start of their evidence and explanation of their theories and hypotheses.......

No, I was justing citing an example of such shot placement. Here's a quote from the Wikipedia article on snipers.

Police snipers who generally engage at much shorter distances may attempt head shots to ensure the kill. In instant-death hostage situations, police snipers shoot for the cerebellum, a part of the brain that controls voluntary movement that lies at the base of the skull.

That shuts off voluntary movement, it doesn't kill instantly. There have been many people who have survived gunshot wounds to the head anyway, but with alot of braindamage usually.

But anyway, a gunshot wound to the head isn't very appropriate because unlike what you see in moves, there isn't just a red hole in the head after someone gets shot, their head gets horribly disfigured or blown away. The family member of the supposed murderer wouldn't be able to have an open casket funeral. I shot a coyote in the head and like 80% of the face was completely blown away and all that was left was bloody gore and brain chunks. Doing this to a human would obstruct their right to have an open casket funeral, which some religions demand. This could fly in China, but not in the US, absolutely not.

At 10/19/06 07:10 PM, ManticoreNight wrote:

At 10/19/06 02:22 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: I agree Pro-American lets kick Canadian Ass.

Lol, Americans would and could never do that. Stop talking big and go back to squaredancing.

It COULD happen quite easily, don't let your Canadian pride cause you to deny reality. But would it happen? It depends on how the future unfolds.

[boydman91]

At 10/19/06 05:11 PM, UnusQuoMeridianus wrote: and how painful can it be? its a fucking needle, you can murder people but you're too much of a pussy to have a needle stuck into your arm? come on.

its not the needle thats hurts them retard, its what they inject into them, that has the painfull effect on a persons nervous system.

[SolInvictus]

At 10/19/06 06:02 PM, Begoner wrote:

its still not really a guaranteed kill.

Sure it is. If you aim extremely precisely, you will be able to kill a man in under 1/10 of a second. Have you ever seen a movie with some sort of hostage situation, where there are snipers all around? If they are ordered to shoot, they have a specific part of the brain to aim at so that the suspect will not be able to get a shot off before he dies.

sorry, should have said its not always or something like that since just like the injection and beheading due to different reasons the person will either not die or not die quickly (though you're right, bullets generally do a good job). its just that there really isn't anything that provides a 100% guarantee of a quick and painless end. one fun example of failed bullet+head execution was a mexican criminal who survived a volley from a firing squad to the head and two or more coups de graces.

[Memorize]

You dems will find any reason not to execute someone, even Bin Laden and dare I say Adolf Hitler.

I mean hell, now short people who rape little kids can only get 10 years probation. Thanks to you know who.

[AtomicTerrorist]

At 10/18/06 11:11 PM, Pro-American wrote: Okay, who let the Canadians' ruin this execution?

Im sorry!! OK!!??!

[hongkongexpress]

ha ha ha, his fat would slowly melt, and sizzle like bacon, or like a candle.