"Shock and Awe raids"?

[D2Kvirus]

so, what does everyone else think of this new, Politically Correct, term for the phrase "Bombing Civilian Areas"? Nicely jazzed up, offensivly ridiculous, or did you think I just made it up.

Although, I can see how it works: if an Iraqi sees a Patriot missile headed towards their house, you're in for quite a shock, but if your neighbour gets annihilated instead, they'd be stood there going "Whoa, cool, look at all those pyrotechnic effects. Wow, is that a scorched limb?"

Why not just call it 21st Century Blitzkrieg? it sounds modern, has a good ring to it, and historical connotations.

[NEMESiSZ]

Where are you getting this information from? Al-Jazeera?

[ichbincow]

Ok,

The phrase you are qouteing (shock and awe raid) DID NOT come from someones desire to bomb civilian targets----I wish you and others would kindly get your info correct particulary since the only reason the only time I recall them mentioning the tatic (which has existed since well before you even knew what war was) was during a discussion involveing a patterned bombarment that would strike outside a given area useing a bomb that would create visual effects similar toa nuclear bomb to psychological demoralize the enemy. I wish you "military experts" would stfu especially when most most of the experience you could claim is from playing CS or 1942.

[NEMESiSZ]

Just ignore d2kvirus, he's forced to invent his own news when the actual news doesn't support his radical opinions. Lots of people here do that.

[NJDeadzone]

the only shock and awe i find in this war is the African American Muslim in the US military that is the suspect for the grenade incident. If he's found guilty, we're gonna have some major issues coming up

[Commander-K25]

Shock and Awe. I am so tired of hearing that term. Another example of how the media latches onto a phrase and parrots back forth between themselves.

Shockinaw? I thought that was a town in Wisconsin.

[JudgeDredd]

At 3/23/03 05:56 PM, Commander-K25 wrote: Shock and Awe. I am so tired of hearing that term.

let's hope peace protestors don't try shock and awe tatics; like millions of ppl getting naked in the streets - OMG - lol

[Ted-Easton]

We do NOT make up our own news.

On a completely unrelated note, did you know that Bush, Saddam, and Osama are all dead?

[Commander-K25]

At 3/23/03 08:39 PM, Judge_DREDD wrote:
let's hope peace protestors don't try shock and awe tatics; like millions of ppl getting naked in the streets - OMG - lol

Gawk in awe.

[JudgeDredd]

At 3/23/03 09:12 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: We do NOT make up our own news.

On a completely unrelated note, did you know that Bush, Saddam, and Osama are all dead?

eh? ..didn't bush and blair just make a music vid?

http://www.atmo.se/components/download.aspx?file=bushblair.mov

[NJDeadzone]

At 3/23/03 02:20 PM, NJDeadzone wrote: the only shock and awe i find in this war is the African American Muslim in the US military that is the suspect for the grenade incident. If he's found guilty, we're gonna have some major issues coming up

i'm just gonna stress this point to bring some controversy

[D2Kvirus]

At 3/23/03 10:37 AM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Just ignore d2kvirus, he's forced to invent his own news when the actual news doesn't support his radical opinions. Lots of people here do that.

Still bitter about being exposed as an under-educated, over-opinionated drone, then? Oh, my heart bleeds...

[House-Of-Leaves]

At 3/23/03 10:17 AM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Where are you getting this information from? Al-Jazeera?

CNN. NBC. ABC. FOXnews. You name it. It's HUGE. A psychological warfare tactic. Scare the fuck out of them. Shock and awe them. Then go in for the kill.

Come on, NEMESiSZ. You sound like a smart guy. You don't need to stoop to insults and sarcasm to debate. Don't be a troll. You have a brain, and a good one, at that. Speak your mind! Great! That's what America is fantastic for...having different opinions. But you make yourself sound ignorant when you get insulting and sartastic.

As for the Muslim man that threw that grenade, from the 101st Airborne...it's sad, but him being Muslim shouldn't have anything to do with it. MUSLIM IS NOT SYNONYMOUS WITH TERRORISM.

[MuscleHed]

Where do you get your info? Did you see the smaller expolsions taking place within the large ones? That was ammo backfire from anti-air craft weapons they hit. Admittedly, they were close to civilian targets, but they did not aim for any schools or Apartment buildings.

People seem to forget that our Army is beyond doubt the must humanitarian in the world today. We are not Vikings or pirates or Romans, we go out of our way to protect the civilian, not just in this war, either.

The point of the Shock and Awe raids is to end the war fast, and limit the number of civilian and military casuistries on both sides and in case you haven’t been watching the new, it has worked!

[House-Of-Leaves]

At 3/24/03 08:26 AM, MuscleHed wrote: Where do you get your info? Did you see the smaller expolsions taking place within the large ones? That was ammo backfire from anti-air craft weapons they hit. Admittedly, they were close to civilian targets, but they did not aim for any schools or Apartment buildings.

People seem to forget that our Army is beyond doubt the must humanitarian in the world today. We are not Vikings or pirates or Romans, we go out of our way to protect the civilian, not just in this war, either.

The point of the Shock and Awe raids is to end the war fast, and limit the number of civilian and military casuistries on both sides and in case you haven’t been watching the new, it has worked!

OH, for the LOVE of GOD! Will you people stop asking where we get our information from? WATCH THE GODDAMNED NEWS! Or even better, look on the internet for facts!

Civilians have been hurt. There is NO way that the United States can drop more artillery in ONE NIGHT than they did during the ENTIRE DESERT STORM CONFLICT, and not harm a civilian. There have been civilians hurt.

I heard an official on the television, during an interview say flat out, 'The point of Shock and Awe is to cause psychological damage, and make it harder for them to fight. Destruction shocks them, they didn't expect it. That makes it easier for us.'

I do NOT pretend that my opinion is fact. I refuse to. I will always state 'I think' before an opinion, or some similar indication that it's not fact. But when I hear bullshit like that on the television, either I have to take it for face value, or think the interviewee was lying.

[TheShrike]

At 3/23/03 10:52 PM, NJDeadzone wrote: the only shock and awe i find in this war is the African American Muslim in the US military that is the suspect for the grenade incident.

That's probably the extent of Iraq's own shock and awe campaign. I think ours is going better.

[TheShrike]

At 3/24/03 08:32 AM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: Civilians have been hurt. There is NO way that the United States can drop more artillery in ONE NIGHT than they did during the ENTIRE DESERT STORM CONFLICT, and not harm a civilian. There have been civilians hurt.

There is no way war can be waged without the death of civillians. Good point

I heard an official on the television, during an interview say flat out, 'The point of Shock and Awe is to cause psychological damage, and make it harder for them to fight. Destruction shocks them, they didn't expect it. That makes it easier for us.'

Don't forget the psychological warfare, warplanes dumping surrender propaganda and the new US-controlled tv and radio stations.

I do NOT pretend that my opinion is fact. I refuse to. I will always state 'I think' before an opinion, or some similar indication that it's not fact. But when I hear bullshit like that on the television, either I have to take it for face value, or think the interviewee was lying.

Sometimes both happen. -eh who cares, anyway?

[JMHX]

At 3/24/03 09:03 AM, TheShrike wrote:

At 3/23/03 10:52 PM, NJDeadzone wrote: the only shock and awe i find in this war is the African American Muslim in the US military that is the suspect for the grenade incident.

That's probably the extent of Iraq's own shock and awe campaign. I think ours is going better.

We need to get Mr. Resentment over stateside so we can string him up and show the bastard what not to do to the military in a time of war. Oooh, I loathe that man.

[TheShrike]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-24-suspected-sergeant_x.htm

[NJDeadzone]

wouldn't be surprised if he's executed by the military, keep the zealous one in his homeland...

[MuscleHed]

I never once said civilians will not get hurt! Did I say what? NO, I didn’t. Bush has even said their will be civilian causalities! My post was a reply to Virus saying they are targeting civilians. They are not. They don’t want to kill the civilians, but the war is taking place mainly in a urban area, they can’t avoid it.

The large majority of the Military in this country is for the war. Yes, we have a few disgruntled troops, but the large majority of the Armed Forces are more likely to string up the Dixie Chicks before Bush. Most of them think we should have “finished the job” at Desert Storm. I would be very surprised if he is killed by our Military troops.

[NEMESiSZ]

Despite what CBS news and the new york times would have you believe, george bush does not order the military to target civilian areas. All targets are military, if a civilian gets hurt, that's acceptable. This isn't romparoom, it's war.

[LedZep77]

At 3/23/03 10:17 AM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Where are you getting this information from? Al-Jazeera?

hahahah ur all terroists!

[House-Of-Leaves]

At 3/24/03 08:20 PM, LedZep77 wrote:

At 3/23/03 10:17 AM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Where are you getting this information from? Al-Jazeera?

hahahah ur all terroists!

I weep for our future.

[mysecondstar]

At 3/23/03 10:15 AM, D2KVirus wrote: so, what does everyone else think of this new, Politically Correct, term for the phrase "Bombing Civilian Areas"? Nicely jazzed up, offensivly ridiculous, or did you think I just made it up.

Although, I can see how it works: if an Iraqi sees a Patriot missile headed towards their house, you're in for quite a shock, but if your neighbour gets annihilated instead, they'd be stood there going "Whoa, cool, look at all those pyrotechnic effects. Wow, is that a scorched limb?"

what misinformed crockery. a patriot missle is a surface to air. i think you mean tomahawk. and second, that has got to be one of the sickest things i've heard yet.

it has recently been brought to my attention that the Iraqis now possess Russian-made GPS jammers. almost all the missles and bombs being targetted for Baghdad or any other city for that matter are GPS guided. with the GPS jammer, it could cause those munnitions to run arrant. if it is anybody's fault for killing their own people, its the Iraqi military. furthermore, as Commander has said in a different thread, the US is taking great pains to limit collateral damage. in fact, if anything, the US is being too nice ie. the the fake surrender/ambush.

Why not just call it 21st Century Blitzkrieg? it sounds modern, has a good ring to it, and historical connotations.

[D2Kvirus]

At 3/25/03 02:49 AM, mysecondstar wrote:
what misinformed crockery. a patriot missle is a surface to air. i think you mean tomahawk.

Sorry, I don't collect Weapons of Mass Destruction cards, so was unable to differentiate.

Then again, so what? Tomahawk, Patriot, they both get launched by the US, fly through the air, and blow shit up - THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

and second, that has got to be one of the sickest things i've heard yet.

Good, maybe you'll think about the true consequences of carpet bombing next time you watch it on TV. Did you expect that the target would just crumble to dust in an instant, with all that was inside it? No; anybody inside will either be obliterated (if they're lucky), or burn to death. Reality, it has advantages, although always gets cut out.

Besides, I believe "sick" is when a group of US marines whoop when they launch a mortar at a building, and cheer when it explodes, taking everyone that was in it, as if it is the coolest thing they have ever seen.
That just so happened to be televised yesterday.

it has recently been brought to my attention that the Iraqis now possess Russian-made GPS jammers. almost all the missles and bombs being targetted for Baghdad or any other city for that matter are GPS guided. with the GPS jammer, it could cause those munnitions to run arrant. if it is anybody's fault for killing their own people, its the Iraqi military.

So, how do you explain:
1997: When Clinton bombed Af-ghan-i-stan to divert attention from his "private tours" of the Oval Office, how did several missiles hit Pakistan...before two hours later a Pakistani spokesman said something along the lines of "those smoking bomb craters were there yesterday."
1998: A munitions factory in Sudan is bombed. The people went without Asprin for months.
1999: Tractors that were carrying refugees being mistaken for tanks, and a train full of civilians being among the wreckage of a bridge (complete with missile-eye view) in Kosovo.
2001: Final proof that SMART missiles live up to their name - they can hit a building that has a giant red cross on it in Afghanistan.

Did they all have jammers? Did they fuck. The US Army is not exempt from military incompetence, you know. In fact, they seem to be killing more of their allies (including journalists) than the Iraqis at the moment. Are they also being paid for kills, but it wasn't specific who they were supposed to be shooting at?

furthermore, as Commander has said in a different thread, the US is taking great pains to limit collateral damage. in fact, if anything, the US is being too nice ie. the the fake surrender/ambush.

Go to Iraq, see if they agree with you.

[JMHX]

At 3/24/03 04:36 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Despite what CBS news and the new york times would have you believe, george bush does not order the military to target civilian areas. All targets are military, if a civilian gets hurt, that's acceptable. This isn't romparoom, it's war.

Still, when you specifically aim for an apartment complex because you think a leadership officer might be in there, it's never a good outcome. Our problem is that we're steaming toward Baghdad at all of 10 miles an hour. Drop some paratroops!

[NEMESiSZ]

Paratroops only work if the enemy isn't going to tear them apart with 20mm guns before they hit the ground.

You don't drop paratroops into the enemy hot zone, especially when the enemy won't think twice about violating the geneva convention by shooting them in the air.

[Commander-K25]

At 3/25/03 07:02 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Paratroops only work if the enemy isn't going to tear them apart with 20mm guns before they hit the ground.

You don't drop paratroops into the enemy hot zone, especially when the enemy won't think twice about violating the geneva convention by shooting them in the air.

Really? If that's true then that's crazy. If you see enemy troops parachuting in, then why shouldn't you open fire?

[D2Kvirus]

At 3/25/03 07:02 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote:
You don't drop paratroops into the enemy hot zone, especially when the enemy won't think twice about violating the geneva convention by shooting them in the air.

They did, yesterday. Not one round fired in anger. NEXT!!!