is Iran an enemy?

[AJ]

is iran an enemy to the u.s. and determined to produce nuclear weapons, or are they another fabulous story about WMD's from the Bush administration. i personally don't think they are determined to have nuclear war.

[cellardoor6]

At 10/16/06 10:59 PM, michelinman wrote: is iran an enemy to the u.s. and determined to produce nuclear weapons, or are they another fabulous story about WMD's from the Bush administration. i personally don't think they are determined to have nuclear war.

Don't think that Iran is innocent just because Bush happens to criticize them and allow your distaste for Bush cloud your judgement of reality!

Every NATO country, and almost all UN countries agree that Iran is trying to develope a nuclear bomb. Iran supports terrorist groups, and calls for the creation of an Islamic Empire. They tell their people that Israel and America are the reasons that they live in poverty and claim that Iran will rule the world when Israel and America are destroyed!

They are religiously motivated by their hatred towards other religions and their government opresses their people, executes dissenters and is ruled by Fundementalist Islamic codes. They are a threat to the entire world because they look at the world in an entirely different way than free people do. Almost the entire population of Iran is brainwashed, most people there aren't even aware that the US landed on the moon because their government censors all incoming internet information and isolates their people from outside influences, all information about the US and Israel and other free countries that they hear is tainted and distorted by their leaders.

Iran shares the idealogy that terrorists do, they have no hesitation towards killing innocent people, in fact they ENCOURAGE it to reach martyrdom. Imagine Al-Qaeda, except that Al-Qaeda rules an entire country, essentially that is Iran.

You wouldn't want Al-Qaeda to get a nuclear bomb, so you definitely don't want Iran to get one either.

[AJ]

At 10/16/06 11:12 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:
Don't think that Iran is innocent just because Bush happens to criticize them and allow your distaste for Bush cloud your judgement of reality!

i've got no problem with bush. we voted him in and he did what he could with a shitty situation. bush's intel was to blame with the WMD's stories and it is the same people doing it again.

Almost the entire population of Iran is brainwashed, most people there aren't even aware that the US landed on the moon because their government censors all incoming internet information and isolates their people from outside influences, all information about the US and Israel and other free countries that they hear is tainted and distorted by their leaders.

can't forget that they deny the existence of the holocaust to try and stir up anti judaic feelings.

Iran shares the idealogy that terrorists do, they have no hesitation towards killing innocent people, in fact they ENCOURAGE it to reach martyrdom. Imagine Al-Qaeda, except that Al-Qaeda rules an entire country, essentially that is Iran.

this is where it gets debatable. obviously they share the same idealogy of the terrorists, they fight for a common goal, and they are willing to go to any means necessary to achieve them. i don't know about nuclear weapons though. remember iran had nuclear weapons in the 70s that we gave to them. that government was overthrown by Ayatollah Khomeini and the kidnapping crisis happened shortly after. Khomeini then destroyed all the nukes and called them a disgrace to god. Khomeini is a hero in Iran today, and i don't think that the will of Ahmadinejad who hasn't even been president a whole year can sway the public opinion in favor of the bomb. which brings us to what iran has been claiming to have been doing all along. producing uranium for nuclear energy

[Neoptolemus]

At 10/16/06 11:12 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

Don't think that Iran is innocent just because Bush happens to criticize them and allow your distaste for Bush cloud your judgement of reality!

Every NATO country, and almost all UN countries agree that Iran is trying to develope a nuclear bomb.

Isn't it funny how the IAEA doesn't think that.

Iran supports terrorist groups, and calls for the creation of an Islamic Empire.

Terrorist groups like what? Hezbollah? They're only classed as a terrorist group by the west when in fact they are more of a resistance movement against Israeli attacks on Lebanon.
Creation of an Islamic Empire? Do you have any evidence to support that?

They tell their people that Israel and America are the reasons that they live in poverty

No, they say that Zionism is the cause of the instability in the Middle East and the oppression of the Palistinians.

and claim that Iran will rule the world when Israel and America are destroyed!

Iran doesn't want Israel and America destroyed only Zionism. Iran wants Israel and Palestine to be one country in which ALL people have equal representation in parliament.

They are religiously motivated by their hatred towards other religions and their government opresses their people, executes dissenters and is ruled by Fundementalist Islamic codes.

I hope you know Iran has the worlds largest Jewish population outside Israel. Iranian Jews have rights and have proper respresentation in parliament.

They are a threat to the entire world because they look at the world in an entirely different way than free people do.

Not really. Iran sees the world through the eyes of the oppressed. They see all the evil that is happening to the Palestinians and all the threats to Iran itself.

Almost the entire population of Iran is brainwashed,

You have no proof of this.

most people there aren't even aware that the US landed on the moon

Again, you have no proof.

because their government censors all incoming internet information and isolates their people from outside influences,

Do you even have proof of this?

all information about the US and Israel and other free countries that they hear is tainted and distorted by their leaders.

What, and your media isn't biased? Look at your opinions on all Middle Eastern countries (except Israel) and then you might realise that they are exactly the same as the medias.

Iran shares the idealogy that terrorists do, they have no hesitation towards killing innocent people, in fact they ENCOURAGE it to reach martyrdom.

The same idealogy? What that the West has constantly oppressed them, taken their land, their property and threatens them with illegal wars?

Imagine Al-Qaeda, except that Al-Qaeda rules an entire country, essentially that is Iran.

Imagine a country which goes against its own constitution. Imagine a country that uses the peoples fear against them... Imagine a country ruled by someone who is using religion as a weapon. Imagine a country which goes against its own values of democracy because people don't want the leaders the government wants.. Yes, that's right, that country exists and it is the "good old" US of A

You wouldn't want Al-Qaeda to get a nuclear bomb, so you definitely don't want Iran to get one either.

Iran has the same amount of connections with Al-Qaeda as Iraq did when it was under Sadam Hussains rule... NONE!

[xcrime-cyber]

An eternal country did not have the enemy

[TheMason]

At 10/16/06 11:12 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

At 10/16/06 10:59 PM, michelinman wrote: Almost the entire population of Iran is brainwashed, most people there aren't even aware that the US landed on the moon because their government censors all incoming internet information and isolates their people from outside influences, all information about the US and Israel and other free countries that they hear is tainted and distorted by their leaders.

Cellar where did you get that information? That sounds more like N. Korea than Iran. In Iran 75% of Iranians want better relations with the US. Overwhelming public opinion is that they do not like the Bush Administration and US foreign policy no matter who or what party is in the White House. There is communication between expatriots and their families back in the Islamic Republic. This is not the kindof public opinion that is seen in countries where the media and society is as oppressed as you are making the claim.

Also the information we get is distorted by our leaders. Remember when Bush started using the term "Homicide Bombers" instead of suicide bombers? Fox jumped on using the term when few serious journalists and Natl. Security scholars thought it was accurate. Also, I would say our reporting on Iran in our media is biased (although not as controlled as Iran's).

Iran shares the idealogy that terrorists do, they have no hesitation towards killing innocent people, in fact they ENCOURAGE it to reach martyrdom. Imagine Al-Qaeda, except that Al-Qaeda rules an entire country, essentially that is Iran.

Did you know that following 9/11 Iran has done little to hamper US objectives in Afghanistan? In fact there was actually intelligence sharing and military dialogue going on between our two countries? That Iran has continued to shun policies that would destabilize the Kharzi government in Kabul?

Finally, to answer the topic question: Iran does not need to be our enemy. Relations with Iran could prove a peace means of securing cheaper oil.

[Imperator]

Isn't it funny how the IAEA doesn't think that.

Yeah, I noticed how much good they did when it came to North Korea too....

Real reliable organization there. Can't wait to see what they do with Iran.....

[Neoptolemus]

At 10/18/06 02:02 AM, Imperator wrote:

Isn't it funny how the IAEA doesn't think that.

Yeah, I noticed how much good they did when it came to North Korea too....

Real reliable organization there. Can't wait to see what they do with Iran.....

The IAEA wasn't allowed into North Korea while it was allowed into Iran therefore they could not say there was nuclear weaponry in the DPRK or not

[union6]

Iran is a country lead by its religion and there for quite a emotionall country which is alot of the time a very unpredictable country

[wesley545]

As far as I'm concerned, we already are fighting Iran. In Iraq. Fact is, Iran is funding terrorest groups in Iraq and has for the most part fueled the Insurgency. If you have been watching th factor latley, you would know this.

[fallen-son]

At 10/18/06 05:23 PM, wesley545 wrote: As far as I'm concerned, we already are fighting Iran. In Iraq. Fact is, Iran is funding terrorest groups in Iraq and has for the most part fueled the Insurgency. If you have been watching th factor latley, you would know this.

dude. IRAQ DIDNT HAVE TERRORISTS!! and "the factor" is probably some bullshit propaganda show and your too stupid to see it. THERE WERE NO NUKES IN IRAQ. IRAQ DIDNT ATTACK AMERICA. BUSH JUST WANTS OIL. GET WITH THE FUCKING PROGRAM.

[Demosthenez]

I think the Iranian leadership are grave enemies. I still doubt their rationality and their religious rhetoric seems a bit grand. Giving them a nuclear bomb when there are still serious questions (in my opinion) on to whether Ahmadinejad is apart of Hojjatieh seems naive.

I think the majority of their populace is no different from us and want the same things. But then again, it is always the elites who fuck over everyone. So thats my fears.

At 10/18/06 01:14 AM, TheMason wrote: Cellar where did you get that information?

I think he makes shit up alot. I have caught him on a couple of occasions making stuff up I know to be wrong or think to be wrong. I dont ever say anything because most times I dont really care.

Also the information we get is distorted by our leaders.

Dont forget "Islamofascists." What a clumsy, worthless word.

That Iran has continued to shun policies that would destabilize the Kharzi government in Kabul?

Not in Iraq though. They continue to fuck around there and exert their assets on the ground there.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

Ira will always be a enemy because there leader is a Racist and a holocaust Denier.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

Iran made Halocaust cartoons as a counter Muhamamad cartoons from the Danish.

[SirLebowski]

No, Iran is the country that really wishes to blow us off the face of the earth.

[Dragon-Smaug]

At 10/17/06 10:33 AM, neoptolemus wrote:

At 10/16/06 11:12 PM, cellardoor6 wrote: Iran supports terrorist groups, and calls for the creation of an Islamic Empire.

Terrorist groups like what? Hezbollah? They're only classed as a terrorist group by the west when in fact they are more of a resistance movement against Israeli attacks on Lebanon.

Israel wasn’t attacking Lebanon, just an illegal group (by international war law) that was on Lebanese territory. Furthermore, is “resistance movement” the correct terminology when Hezbollah is responsible for [re]starting the violence? Finally, Hezbollah targets civilians, and has no concern for human lives on either side. Do you consider Hezbollah a terrorist group or not?

I hope you know Iran has the worlds largest Jewish population outside Israel. Iranian Jews have rights and have proper respresentation in parliament.

I don’t know if that is true, but even believing in its veracity doesn’t change the fact that the leader of Iran himself denies the Holocaust and is virulently anti-semetic and pro-Hezbollah, pro-Hamas, pro-destruction-of-Israel. Nor is your statement an argument for or against Iran seeking Nuclear weapons.

Iran sees the world through the eyes of the oppressed.

…..Iran is oppressed by whom now?

USA is bad

Yeah, I know, but it’s better than Iran.

[BURT92]

yes u r right about the the whole nuclear war between iran and the u.s but there are some poeple who really dislike us and would like us to ,how can i say this lightly

DIE

[hongkongexpress]

Iran should return back to the days of the Shaa and Iran should revert back to becoming Pagan Persia, that believed in Zorozantharism, as they have back then in the Alexanderian time. Then things would be cool again. I like classical persia. It would be like mysical India. a modern country amis with it's mysterious and exotic past.

[troubles1]

At 10/16/06 10:59 PM, michelinman wrote: is iran an enemy to the u.s. and determined to produce nuclear weapons, or are they another fabulous story about WMD's from the Bush administration. i personally don't think they are determined to have nuclear war.

Well this is very easy to answer YES, they are some of the most radical people in the world, plus they refuse to listen to anyone in the UN, it is another example of a useless country .that would be better of if we used them for nuclear practice, there hole country could be a big experiment we could, test all of our new weapons there, it would be beautiful.

[Buffalow]

At 10/18/06 03:31 PM, union6 wrote: Iran is a country lead by its religion and there for quite a emotionall country which is alot of the time a very unpredictable country

In other news, Bears shit in the woods.

[bcdemon]

At 10/16/06 10:59 PM, michelinman wrote: is iran an enemy to the u.s.

I think the real question is, is the US an enemy to Iran? I think yes.

[D2Kvirus]

At 11/1/06 09:02 AM, bcdemon wrote:
I think the real question is, is the US an enemy to Iran? I think yes.

Amen to that...

[TwO-FaCeD-PaRaNoID]

Iran has a more effective weapon then a Nuclear bomb, OIL!
They can put pressure on Western Countries by thriving up the prices.

[EnragedSephiroth]

At 11/1/06 12:58 PM, TwO-FaCeD-PaRaNoID wrote: They can put pressure on Western Countries by thriving up the prices.

Hm... thriving up... that would be an interesting economic method. Or was that a slip of the tongue... er... finger?

[Demosthenez]

At 11/1/06 09:02 AM, bcdemon wrote:

At 10/16/06 10:59 PM, michelinman wrote: is iran an enemy to the u.s.

I think the real question is, is the US an enemy to Iran? I think yes.

I think the best question is what interest does it serve, you supporting Iran over the United States? And especially as a Canadian. You telling me you would rather have those freak jobs like Ahmadinejad and Khomeini have more power internationally over the USA, the country that is Canadas identical, albiet smaller, twin?

Makes no sense to me. I have nothing against the Iranian people but their leadership is fucked up.

And same goes to you D2K. What does it fo for you to support religious fanatics in Iran who make a mockery to the NNPT, the IAEA, the UN, and the world in general? And dont throw the USA's actions back in my face. I am fully aware of them. The question here is you actually support the weakening of the American hegemony in favor of countries like this gaining more power? Seems beyond dumb to me as seeing basically the status quo that is very kind to all Western nations, the ones you live in, rests upon the American cornerstone. But hey thats why Im asking.

[Imperator]

At 10/18/06 01:29 PM, neoptolemus wrote: The IAEA wasn't allowed into North Korea while it was allowed into Iran therefore they could not say there was nuclear weaponry in the DPRK or not

The IAEA was allowed into Iraq too.....oddly enough, the Kurds still got gassed.......

Hmmmmm.......

Wonder where those chem weapons went anyways?

[SomeNick]

At 10/16/06 10:59 PM, michelinman wrote: is iran an enemy to the u.s. and determined to produce nuclear weapons, or are they another fabulous story about WMD's from the Bush administration. i personally don't think they are determined to have nuclear war.

Well, it could be that this is not another Bush tale. And it also could be that Iran does not want a nuclear war.

Or at least wont want to be on the receiving end of it...

[Demosthenez]

At 11/1/06 05:14 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: over the USA, the country that is Canadas identical, albiet smaller, twin?

I mixed that up. America is Canadas larger twin, I messed up.

[MortifiedPenguins]

Iran has been an enemy of the U.S. since thier little revolution in 79.

[Brick-top]

Did you know that America gave money to iran to try and stop iraq from what it was doing shortly after it gave money to iraq to stop iran