what bill of rights?

[metalhead676]

http://www.youtube.c..UzUljH8EHU&eurl=

this is outrageous, i'm am so glad i live in Canada, teh REAL land of the free.

[MoralLibertarian]

What does the bill say?

[SteveGuzzi]

At 10/15/06 11:42 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: What does the bill say?

SEC. 7. HABEAS CORPUS MATTERS.

(a) In General- Section 2241 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by striking both the subsection (e) added by section 1005(e)(1) of Public Law 109-148 (119 Stat. 2742) and the subsection (e) added by added by section 1405(e)(1) of Public Law 109-163 (119 Stat. 3477) and inserting the following new subsection (e):

`(e)(1) No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination.

`(2) Except as provided in paragraphs (2) and (3) of section 1005(e) of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (10 U.S.C. 801 note), no court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider any other action against the United States or its agents relating to any aspect of the detention, transfer, treatment, trial, or conditions of confinement of an alien who is or was detained by the United States and has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination.'.

(b) Effective Date- The amendment made by subsection (a) shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply to all cases, without exception, pending on or after the date of the enactment of this Act which relate to any aspect of the detention, transfer, treatment, trial, or conditions of detention of an alien detained by the United States since September 11, 2001.

[GIGITYGIGITYGOO]

At 10/15/06 10:48 PM, metalhead676 wrote: http://www.youtube.c..UzUljH8EHU&eurl=

this is outrageous, i'm am so glad i live in Canada, teh REAL land of the free.

Whats that suppose to mean with out America you would be nothing

[troubles1]

At 10/15/06 10:48 PM, metalhead676 wrote: http://www.youtube.c..UzUljH8EHU&eurl=

this is outrageous, i'm am so glad i live in Canada, teh REAL land of the free.

only pro-terrorist and pro illegal immigrant, would even care. this has no effect on any person who was born here and does not intend to do our country harm. it's pretty simple if you don't want bad shit to happen don't become a terrorist or befriend one.

[JoS]

Ah yes, Canada, the land of the free, within reasonable limits.

[emmytee]

Well, normal american citizens can now be defined as enemy combatants, so it can be used on you guys.... hell, even we don't have it so bad.

[EnragedSephiroth]

Aw fuck, I didn't think the Patriot Act would get passed, but this is a reincarnation of the patriot act! Sure it leaves out the spying without a search warrant but it still has the same provision which allows you to get thrown in jail and not be tried.

Basically the saying: "innocent until proven guilty" no longet applies and is a thing of the past if this bill becomes a law.

[lapis]

At 10/16/06 06:55 AM, the-man-who-knew wrote: God America's politicians are just fucked up.

Cellardoor6 is probably writing a tedious essay about how America is the greatest country in the world at this very moment. That or he must have missed your post.

[Jesus-made-me-do-it]

At 10/16/06 07:06 AM, lapis wrote:

At 10/16/06 06:55 AM, the-man-who-knew wrote: God America's politicians are just fucked up.

Cellardoor6 is probably writing a tedious essay about how America is the greatest country in the world at this very moment. That or he must have missed your post.

He probably is. It wouldnt suprise me. Have you ever read the book Why the rest of the world hates america. Funny fucking book.

[MoralLibertarian]

At 10/16/06 12:55 AM, StealthSteve wrote:

At 10/15/06 11:42 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: What does the bill say?

SEC. 7. HABEAS CORPUS MATTERS.

Oh, so habeas corpus is suspended for aliens and enemy combatants, and not for citizens? Yeah, that's what I thought.

[MoralLibertarian]

The other thing is that the language says that "aliens" don't receive habeas corpus rights. Therefore, citizens will continue to enjoy the writ of habeas corpus even if they are classified as enemy combatants later.

Not nearly as controversial as Mr. Olberman makes it out to be. Very misleading.

[Jesus-made-me-do-it]

Its nice to see that in the bill of rights theres one bill that acually protects the American people and doesnt have it killed or thrown into jail without trial.

Its the third. Where soldiers cant do sleep overs.

[Togukawa]

http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/38768.html

Freedom and liberty for all!! Except for those that don't express love for the fuhrer. I hope they waterboarded her. She's obviously a terrorist.

It's funny that it's in the country of freedom and liberty that there's no more habeas corpus, and that 14 year olds are interrogated by secret service for making drawings. ROCK ON USA!

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 10/16/06 11:33 AM, Grammer wrote: Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus during the Civil War, and I hear no liberals whining about that. In fact, whenever that point is mentioned, they try to differentiate between the two.

Not in it's entirety and mainly around D.C but yeah thats the ticket.

FDR suspended Habeus Corpus on Hawaii after Pearl Harbour, how loved is he.

At 10/15/06 10:48 PM, metalhead676 wrote: teh REAL land of the free.

You pussy democracy lovin canadians. Grow some balls!

GO FACISM!!!!

[TehChahlesh]

At 10/16/06 02:20 AM, JoS wrote: Ah yes, Canada, the land of the free, within reasonable limits.

lol@canada

I'm glad to live in the US, where if anyone does anything that could possibly barely count as an infringement of the Bill, everyone goes crazy and says "ZOMG WE R LIVING IN TEH DIKTATORSHIP". Stupid people are a great way of securing our rights.

[Neoptolemus]

At 10/16/06 05:21 PM, TehChahlesh wrote:

At 10/16/06 02:20 AM, JoS wrote: Ah yes, Canada, the land of the free, within reasonable limits.

lol@canada

I'm glad to live in the US, where if anyone does anything that could possibly barely count as an infringement of the Bill, everyone goes crazy and says "ZOMG WE R LIVING IN TEH DIKTATORSHIP". Stupid people are a great way of securing our rights.

What rights? How can you have any rights when your president says "You're either with us or against us!" Obviously both my country (UK) and yours is losing civil liberties and eventually we will be part of Oceania.

Down with Oceania. Down with Airstrip One. Down with Big Brother.

[JakeHero]

At 10/16/06 02:19 PM, Togukawa wrote: It's funny that it's in the country of freedom and liberty that there's no more habeas corpus, and that 14 year olds are interrogated by secret service for making drawings. ROCK ON USA!

Yeah, because being questioned by SS for a horrific and grueling fifteen minutes for making a threat on a President's life is a violation of everything America stands for.

[Cereal]

What the hell else matters with-out our LIBERTY.
We are all slowly being caged like animals, through fear that is created by our GOV. CORPORATION using the color of LAW. "that is without the substance of legal right" that includes the office(s) that are held or gained through even COLOR OF OFFICE; in part " An Act unjustly done by countenance of OFFICE, being grounded upon corruption.

At 10/16/06 05:48 PM, neoptolemus wrote:

Down with Oceania. Down with Airstrip One. Down with Big Brother.

Hey fuck you buddy! Oceania and big brother will bring the people to glory!

Down with anarchism.

At 10/16/06 07:23 PM, hatredofallanime wrote: Hey fuck you buddy! Oceania and big brother will bring the people to glory!

Down with anarchism.

And the funny thing is I was completely serious. I mean open your mind fuckers! Too much freedom will lead us to ruin!