Wtc 9/11

[Masterh]

I made start this topic because i dont think we can trust or American govermend agaijn because what truly happend at 9/11?

Well there a lot of things yyou can say about 9/11 but you can say that Bush and his people diddn't now what was going to happen!

This isn't that i hate Bush or the American govermend it all about the people that died at 9/11 i am maby a bit late but i am still wondering what happend on the day!

i tought Al quida did it because the news said it and why i dont beleave the news?
But the truth is nothing like that!
Why are the towers collapsed by a air hitting? year before that it was also hit by a airplane! and why have they done the bom-sinffing dogs away on the day before 9/11?
The WTC isn't the only thing thats wierd and not explained there are a few more things like the pentagon why you cant see a wing or somethign? they say the whole plane has melted in yet-fuel and i dont believe that because it would be the first time EVER!
and the plane that cras-landen into the countryside? it whould be that same crash as in Grece but what does the plane in the us mis? well that are seats, dead bodies, blood and you have so many things so say here the coroner could leave at the crash spot in the us after 10 min beacuse there where no BODIES AND BLOOD! Well how you an explain that? And World Trade Center 7 has collapsed on 9/11 he wasn't hit by a plane or something! and also he was'n't hit by the twin towers! pritty strange huh? and the last thing the owner of the Twin Towers And WTC 7 has got after 9/11 2.3 billion Dollars! well thats a lot of money!

well i wrote enough i think if you want more answers look the movie about 9/11: Loose Change! here is the line <A>http://video.google...8192753501&hl=en<
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[EnragedSephiroth]

I know what you all are thinking. Please cut him some slack folks, English isn't his first language :/ I'll look into Loose Change sometime when I get the chance, thanks.

[Masterh]

At 10/14/06 06:57 AM, EnragedSephiroth wrote: I know what you all are thinking. Please cut him some slack folks, English isn't his first language :/ I'll look into Loose Change sometime when I get the chance, thanks.

youre welcome
and your right English in't my first language i am Dutchs

[emmytee]

I'm trying dude.....im trying...

But I don't really buy into this conspiracy stuff, and if there was a cover up, the conspiracy theorists ahve ruined any chance of ever uncovering it with their ridcuolous claims about bombs etc. I have never seen any info to back up the sniffer dog cliam other than cts on forums telling me it happened. Loose change is a shoddily made, contradictory and innaccurate video. An example of this is when it implies a small millitary plane hit the pentagon, then in the same breathe that it was a missle.

At the most, I would say it is possible that elements of the cia or Pnac had forewarning of 9/11 but did nothing, maybe made it easier for Al-Queda as they needed their new pearl harbour (just like churchill did when he found out about pearl harbour a few days before it happened)

[JakeHero]

I really do hate it when foreign shits try and lecture us about how corrupt our government is and how 9/11 was a cover-up. I don't try and spew idiotic bullshit about your government.

[JudgeDredd]

At 10/14/06 10:34 AM, BanditByte wrote: I really do hate it when foreign shits try and lecture us about how corrupt our government is and how 9/11 was a cover-up. I don't try and spew idiotic bullshit about your government.

*thumbs-down*

But our government doesn't conspire to invade other countries at the drop of a hat. Last leader that tried that was Saddam (..but no casual relationship to 911)

[Madferit]

The loose change theory is a bunch of bullshit.

[SirXVII]

I lol'ed.

The thought that people actually believe the 9/11 conspiracy still give me chuckles.

[scottmale24]

Science is fun.
http://www.popularme..ary_law/1227842.html

[SolInvictus]

no, not again. for the love of God not again! *beats head against screen*

[Neoptolemus]

While i don't believe that we've all been told the full truth to do with 9/11 i can't believe that a government would purposefully attack their own civilians just to go to war because i don't have any evidence to support the theories created by some paranoid twat.

[fahrenheit]

I knew four people who died in 9/11, one of them being someone I knows uncle.

Its not a conspiracy, believe it or not other countries and people hate us for the sole reason we are American.

It is a known fact that all the major 9/11 conspiracy therorists are owned by the U>S government in order to convince people that they run the world and are a totalitarian regime just so they can look tough. What they dont want you to know is that they are actually a democractic government!

Gets shot by CIA

[defactoidZERO]

At 10/14/06 04:36 PM, fahrenheit wrote: I knew four people who died in 9/11, one of them being someone I knows uncle.

Its not a conspiracy, believe it or not other countries and people hate us for the sole reason we are American.

So, Family member dead = Undeniable proof that all 9/11 conspiracies are wrong?

Look, I'm not trying to say that the conspiracy theorists are right. But to me, these theories have as much credibility as anything we are told happened by the media, on forums, or anyone else, for that matter. I believe in keeping an open mind, viewing the issue from multiple angles and formulating my own opinion, as opposed to adopting a standpoint from somebody else, for the sake of convenience. And that goes fro conspiracy theorists, too.

[Memorize]

At 10/14/06 11:43 AM, I7REI7I7 wrote:

But our government doesn't conspire to invade other countries at the drop of a hat. Last leader that tried that was Saddam (..but no casual relationship to 911)

I like people like you.

You make me laugh.

[fahrenheit]

At 10/14/06 05:28 PM, defactoidZERO wrote: So, Family member dead = Undeniable proof that all 9/11 conspiracies are wrong?

What do you think happened? They transported them somewhere else and shot them?
3000 people. The government wouldnt just kill 3000 people to go to war.

But to me, these theories have as much credibility as anything we are told happened by the media, on forums, or anyone else, for that matter.

There is a little thing called common sense you know.

[AMFYOYO]

Common sense dosen't disprove the fact that there was the sound of an explosion right before the tower collapsed, that the core of the building could have with-held multiple crashes with large jets, that the tower was made to get crashed into by heavier planes than those that did, that the core structure could not possibly fall with carbon burning fire, that open-air fire is no where near hot enough to melt steel, (even if it weakens structural integrety), and that the buldings' collapse directly resembles those of other buildings that are demolished.

[fahrenheit]

At 10/14/06 05:58 PM, AMFYOYO wrote: Common sense dosen't disprove the fact that there was the sound of an explosion right before the tower collapsed,

What was it like at the base of the towers when the planes crashed? I am eager to know because you must have been there in order to hear the explosion before the crash?

that the core of the building could have with-held multiple crashes with large jets, that the tower was made to get crashed into by heavier planes than those that did,

"cough*titanic*cough"

[AMFYOYO]

Two of your points are baseless.

One, hundereds of eye-witness accounts noted multiple explosions right before the collapse of the tower. It wouldn't be fuel or "oil" because non-biast scientists speculate that 95% of the fuel was used up in the initial explosion from the initial impact. (Because, you know fire and explosions use up fuel! WOW SCIENCE IS FUN!)

And two, the engineers who buil the tower built it to withstand a fully loaded Boeing passenger plane. The planes that crashed were not full loaded, and were relativley light. I can get you names if you want.

Here is the collapse of the WTC

This is a picture of a controlled implosion.

[scottmale24]

Sources would be better.

Credible sources, mind you.

[AMFYOYO]

Also,
Grammer

NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

That's not hot enough to melt steel. Steel melts at 2750 F.

[AMFYOYO]

Sorry for the double.

Mind you I'm just playing devil's advocate, I don't believe in the conspiracy. I cannot provide a reliable source because anything that supports the conspiracy is instantly denounced as "crazy" so good luck with that.

Watch a 2hr video called "911 Mysteries", or some of it and then come back and argue. It didn't prove anything beyond a shadow of a doubt, but it opened my eyes.

[fahrenheit]

At 10/14/06 06:31 PM, AMFYOYO wrote: One, hundereds of eye-witness accounts noted multiple explosions right before the collapse of the tower.

Can you back this part up at all?

And two, the engineers who buil the tower built it to withstand a fully loaded Boeing passenger plane.

Specifically what type of plane? Your saying they were built to withstand 300,000 pounds coming at them at 527 mph?

The planes that crashed were not full loaded, and were relativley light. I can get you names if you want.

Source?

Here is the collapse of the WTC
This is a picture of a controlled implosion.

I dont suppose you could compare it to a authentic plane crash right? And dont bother showing Cory Lidle crash, I am talking a boeing (or another full size airplane) crash.

At 10/14/06 06:43 PM, AMFYOYO wrote: That's not hot enough to melt steel. Steel melts at 2750 F.

Try to read his entire post.

FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat.
Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent."

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 10/14/06 06:51 PM, AMFYOYO wrote:

Watch a 2hr video called "911 Mysteries", or some of it and then come back and argue. It didn't prove anything beyond a shadow of a doubt, but it opened my eyes.

Or you could just be a gullibel sheep.

[AMFYOYO]

At 10/14/06 08:45 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 10/14/06 06:51 PM, AMFYOYO wrote:

Watch a 2hr video called "911 Mysteries", or some of it and then come back and argue. It didn't prove anything beyond a shadow of a doubt, but it opened my eyes.

Or you could just be a gullibel sheep.

Or you could be a close-minded prick.

[troubles1]

At 10/14/06 06:47 AM, Masterh wrote: I made start this topic because i dont think we can trust or American govermend agaijn because what truly happend at 9/11?

Well there a lot of things yyou can say about 9/11 but you can say that Bush and his people diddn't now what was going to happen!

LOL, LOL, LOL, You even type with a stutter. you are not an American you don't know how we feel ,you can't relate to us, and have no right to suggest that our government, no matter how messed up it is at times, would kill it's own citizens by the thousands, to start a war. We are not a country run by ISLAM.

[Altarus]

George W. Bush himself piloted the planes into both towers. End of story.

This destroys Maddox's argument because there was no big conspiracy, just crazy Dubya.

This destroys Grammer's argument because two airplanes did hit the towers, and they fell just like those engineers said. Except Dubya is still responsible.

END OF STORY.

[JudgeDredd]

At 10/15/06 02:17 AM, troubles1 wrote: ..our government, no matter how messed up it is at times, would(n't) kill it's own citizens by the thousands, to start a war.

see. you make 911 sound like dumb luck.

[JudgeDredd]

At 10/15/06 08:45 AM, Grammer wrote: I hardly think Dubya was squeeling with glee when the towers were struck.

Blame is the fastest emotion. If Republicans didn't start the wheels of war on Taliban or the unfinished Iraqi war, then top Republicans would have paid with their jobs. As it was i doubt you could name a single person who in the last 5 years lost their job for the security oversight or failures of action on 911.

In fact the only person ever blamed is Bin Ladin, and as Bush said "He's really not that important".

Guys everyone who thinks that the gov did 9/11 works for bush! Dont bother trying to argue with them!