Did I hear right?

[MortalWound]

Recently I was talking to one of my friends about guns and he said that apparently, the US gov is trying to get the right to bear arms taken out of the bill of rights and constitution. Is this really true? If so, how would this help any? In the end, only the lawless wil have guns.

Oh yeah and on another note, did the Pres ever renew that act that made automatic weapons illegal? it expired last year if i remember my news correctly...

[goozebump]

At 10/14/06 05:20 AM, MortalWound wrote:

I don't think so esp. since the republivcans would go ape shit. Plus i myself would not want it taken out fully jsut ebcuase Weneed it in case those power hungry idiots in washignton evre decide to follow their wet dreams and actually become a ddicatorship.

[EnragedSephiroth]

The NRA is too-powerful an organization to just simply be ignored, whether anyone like it or not. I mean... they've got guns ;O no but seriously they have pull, moreso than GreenPeace, Peta or NAMBLA <.<'

[Athlas]

What are the odds of actually being able to grab a gun and shoot someone while being threatened? Remember Columbine? Protesters were everywhere, demanding anti-gun and gun-restriction laws. What did the opposition do? They claimed there should be more guns, because then someone would have been able to take the assailants down before they could have done any harm. Right...

[EnragedSephiroth]

At 10/14/06 06:07 AM, Athlas wrote: What are the odds of actually being able to grab a gun and shoot someone while being threatened?

Hm maybe if you were quick-draw McGraw or Walker Texas Ranger. But seriously the odds of that would be about the same as a martial arts expert blindly stopping a chair from hitting him without knowing it was coming, it's just unrealistic and highly improbable.

[Denta]

Taking away peoples right of having guns will just increase all the crime activity, since now it's only the lawless people who has the guns, not the innocent civilians.

I mean, who would like to rob, rape, murder etc. when it's 50% chanse that the man you're gonna attack has a gun?

And if the lawless allready breaks the law, why the fuck wouldn't he break the law to get a gun?

[Derpanderhmxiness]

Lol, I think that guns should be free.There should be a new law saying that if anyone does not have gun they should be executed for not looking out for their own safety, And that includes old people, peodophiles, psychos, five year olds, the mentally retarded, dogs, cats, threes and rocks, they should all have to carry at five handguns or two shotguns at all times or else.
If anyone disagrees you are a bible tumping retarded hippy.

[InsertFunnyUserName]

At 10/14/06 05:20 AM, MortalWound wrote: Recently I was talking to one of my friends about guns and he said that apparently, the US gov is trying to get the right to bear arms taken out of the bill of rights and constitution. Is this really true? If so, how would this help any? In the end, only the lawless wil have guns.

Oh yeah and on another note, did the Pres ever renew that act that made automatic weapons illegal? it expired last year if i remember my news correctly...

That's BS! They can't take away our right to bear arms! It is true that guns hurt people, but they can also be used as defence.

They only people that hurt other people with guns are people that would have them if they were legal or not. If they made guns illegal, than there would be a bigger black market for them, therefore, increasing the danger. Also, if people didn't have the right to bear arms, than they would not be able to protect themselves from the people that have guns illegally.

I agree with you. This act is completely BS.

[Graf-Wichmann]

But people shoot each other, because they are afraid of getting shot! We europeans aren't less agressive than americans (I think), but we don't shoot each other, simply because we can't!

[Makaio]

yes because the right to bare arms is still needed.
I mean it was put in place incase the British tried to recapture the us, and who knows if you take everyones guns away, it may still happen.

Pfft i say the right to bare arms just means people should always be allowed to wear muscle shirts and tank tops.

[Begoner]

What did the opposition do? They claimed there should be more guns, because then someone would have been able to take the assailants down before they could have done any harm. Right...

Now they're going even further. They not only want to increase the amount of guns, but they even want to arm the teachers. At least there was a funny segment in the Colbert Report about this. You have to wonder, though -- what the hell is going through their twisted minds?

http://www.comedycen..amp;ml_context=show#

[Neoptolemus]

At 10/14/06 11:26 AM, Begoner wrote:

What did the opposition do? They claimed there should be more guns, because then someone would have been able to take the assailants down before they could have done any harm. Right...

Now they're going even further. They not only want to increase the amount of guns, but they even want to arm the teachers. At least there was a funny segment in the Colbert Report about this. You have to wonder, though -- what the hell is going through their twisted minds?

http://www.comedycen..amp;ml_context=show#

Only a complete moron would think that arming teachers is a good way to bring security to schools.

"Teacher i didn't do my homework"
"Well you'll die for it!!"

What your schools should have is not teachers armed but security guards.

[Horrigan]

Alot of prison interviews show criminals are just about as afraid of victimizing an armed person as they are of police.

[Athlas]

Well most guns are outlawed where I live. Unless you had a permit (and a reason to have one), the only weapon you were able to get your hands on are hunting rifles. But ever since an 18 year old neo-nazi named Hans van Temse went on a killing spree after walking into a weapon store and purchasing a hunting rifle, they restricted the ownership of those as well. And yet, somehow, I get the feeling it's safer to live here than in the parts of America you're all so scared off.

[Jesus-made-me-do-it]

America has enough guns to arm every man woman and child in the US and UK. If there are any new gun laws there just going to get back lash from gun nuts

[defactoidZERO]

Unfortunately, talking away gun rights won't take away guns. Hmm...

I always did find the gun debate to be a little tricky.

[troubles1]

there in absolutely no way that will ever happen, is is a necessity to be able to protect yourself and family . THE NRA is very powerful and would never let that happen anyway. plus most of us AMERICANS feel it is our GOD given right to bear arms. and the fact that Hunting is a very popular sport here. So WE WILL BE KEEPING OUR GUN BOYS.

[defactoidZERO]

At 10/15/06 12:56 AM, troubles1 wrote: there in absolutely no way that will ever happen, is is a necessity to be able to protect yourself and family .

I have to disagree. I've never found it necessary to fire a gun to protect myself.

[cellardoor6]

At 10/15/06 03:14 AM, defactoidZERO wrote:

At 10/15/06 12:56 AM, troubles1 wrote: there in absolutely no way that will ever happen, is is a necessity to be able to protect yourself and family .

I have to disagree. I've never found it necessary to fire a gun to protect myself.

Yes but many Americans do, hell even many Canadians and British believe this, thats why efforts to ban guns all together has been knocked down once people come to their senses and disregard the far-left.

But to anyone who says that guns aren't necessary for self-defense, they don't know what they are talking about. Guns ARE necessary for self-defense in many parts of America where thousands of guns get smuggled into the US via Mexico every year. And every year many people that own weapons have protected themselves, their families, and their homes/property from armed criminals by using deadly force, and conversely, every year there are thousands of cases where unarmed civilians in the US are killed, injured, or robbed by armed assailants.

I personally own many firearms, but the first gun that I bought for myself was a tactical shotgun for home-defense when I first moved out of my parents house. I did this because my apartment building was filled with drug dealers, illegal immigrants, and such... I never had to use it but there were many cases of robbery in my apartment building and an asian woman was shot to death because she tried to prevent her jewelry from being stolen. Now this is the truth, the man who killed her had been doing the majority of the robberies and was finally stopped when he went into the wrong apartment building and was shot by a prepared gun-owner.

Now for all of you non-Americans, things like this happen alot in the US. But the crimes committed with firearms are almost NEVER committed by legal gun-owners who are law-abiding citizens. The guns that are used are almost ALWAYS black-market guns that have been smuggled in from Mexico.

Therefore if guns were banned; all it would do is provide an advantage to criminals who would possess guns regardless of the law, all while taking away the rights of law-abiding Americans who have the Constitutional right to own firearm for self-defense. There wouldn't be a decrease in gun violence because most gun violence in the US is committed by people who DO NOT LEGALLY OWN the firearms and are committed with firearms that originate in other countries!

I am a law-abiding citizen, I have never committed a violent crime, I have a job, and I am an upstanding member of my community. How can the government have ANY RIGHT to take away my right that was granted to me by my forefathers who wrote our Constitution and Bill of Rights? According to the 2nd amendment, as an American citizen I have the right to own a firearm, therefore the government CANNOT lawfully do such a thing.

The day that firearms are banned in the US is the day that the US ceases to exist and is the beginning of the end of the free world. Mark my words.

[EnragedSephiroth]

Hm now I'm curious as to whether there are any readily-available statistics showing most crimes committed with firearms are done with firearms which are:
1. Used by criminals with a record
2. Imported from other countries

[cellardoor6]

At 10/15/06 04:32 AM, EnragedSephiroth wrote: Hm now I'm curious as to whether there are any readily-available statistics showing most crimes committed with firearms are done with firearms which are:
1. Used by criminals with a record
2. Imported from other countries

Not imported, smuggled.

But just to give you some piece of mind, it is a WELL KNOWN fact that most crimes committed with firearms are by people who do not legally own firearms, not wheter or not they have a criminal record. This includes kids with clean records but are under legal age to own firearms.

Now these are all well know facts. But I will try to find an internet source to verify because I remember seeing it like a week ago while I was browsing so I'll search my history, BUT i'm sure if you search you'll find that its true yourself, but I'll get back to you.

[Elamdri]

The US passing a law that removes the 2nd amendment would pretty much signify that its time for the American people to overthrow the current government.

[EnragedSephiroth]

At 10/15/06 05:13 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: But just to give you some piece of mind, it is a WELL KNOWN fact that most crimes committed with firearms are by people who do not legally own firearms, not wheter or not they have a criminal record. This includes kids with clean records but are under legal age to own firearms.

Your argument is believable on the basis that it seems very possible, especially in the mixed community I live in which happens to be comprised of a lot of immigrants, and also happens to be about 2 hours away from Mexico :/

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 10/14/06 10:10 AM, Makaio wrote:

Pfft i say the right to bare arms just means people should always be allowed to wear muscle shirts and tank tops.

And fortunately your not on the Supreme Court.

[PoisonStar]

Don't fuck with the bill of rights,Gay gov.
Why don't thay just go to HELL and stay there,Ass holes!

[PoisonStar]

I know 1 thing the gov can't fuck with newgrounds..... Can thay?

[Viper-010]

I think that some of you americans take things like this a bit to far.
For instance i'll start with your bill of rights, yeah fair enough it was made by your forefathers and has been well know in american history for some time now, but things change, time and advancements force thigns to change, nothing last forever and this includes the bill of rights.

In England it is illegal for a civilian to posess a firearm without a licence and reason for the licence to posess that specific firearm. On a percentage basis there are alot less armed assaults/robberys in England than in America.

I strongly believe that there is no need for an American citizen to feel the need that they must carry a firearm with them, you say "land of the free", how can you label america as the land of the free if the majority of citizens feel the constant threat of danger to a high enough degree that they feel that they must carry a firearm.

The debate should not be whether or not the American government should make the posession of firearms illegal, in my mind this should deffinately happen, but the question that should instead be being asked is what is the American government doing to stop the illegal smuggling of firearms into the country and what it is doing to protect it's own citizens.

The whole point behind a government it that it can make decisions and actions that will both help it's nation aswell as protect its citizens, the American government needs to sort itself out and sort its country out, actions like this will not solve problems but just start revolt.

If the American government continues to act the way it has done during the recent years it will not just undermine the bill of rights and it's own laws as a shortcut to a dire problem but will bring the entire nation into anarchy.

But as i say, this is merely my opinion,
Viper

[JudgeDredd]

At 10/14/06 07:12 AM, Denta wrote: I mean, who would like to rob, rape, murder etc. when it's 50% chance that the man you're gonna attack has a gun?

By your logict America should already have the safest cities in the world!

Vote for me for president and I will outlaw guns!

Then immediately launch a coup to make me president for life. GO FACISM!

[Rockthebestmusic]

I think that the way they are now would make things better changing anything wouldnt solve much without making things worse... if you outlaw guns people will just get them illegaly or use knives then knives will be outlawed making eating harder...