Forum Topic: Guide: what is and what isn't spam?

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Posted at: 10/13/06 10:10 PM

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Oh spam. It’s a word burned into our internet-loving minds. But what, WHAT is it? The problem with ‘spam’ is that it’s a subjective term. Like the word ‘tall’. How tall does someone have to be before you call them ‘tall’? Sure, we can tell the giants from the midgets; extreme cases are generally agreed upon.

It’s hard to find an Operational Definition for spam. In this thread, I’ll attempt to classify different types of the bugger.

all typical ban lengths are my own opinions. Different mods will have different feelings towards these issues.

For starters, let’s begin with the extreme cases.

Blatant spam: most of us can agree that

Sdfjswty32o44 nt3pt3tn l34i5u3opu 3

or

fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you! fuck you!

is spam. No questions? Good. [Typical ban length: one to four weeks]

Blatant NON-spam

Right then. Check out this guy's posts. Great examples of what is very unspammy. (In case this link ever dies, non-spam is grammatically (and by grammatically, I mean basic English. If you botch a semicolon no one’s going to hurt you) correct, has good spelling, is constructed in a way that’s not an eyesore to read and relates to the topic on hand).

Now that those two are covered, we move inwards.

Basic Spam

I consider basic spam to be posts that do not exceed one line AND contribute nothing to the topic AND are unfunny AND have little thought put into them. Notice the capped “and” operators. To express myself to those who have never worked with operational logic: posts can be under two lines and not be spam; posts can be unfunny and not be spam; posts can have little thought put into them and not be spam. It’s when you get all four factors when it becomes an obvious bannable offence.

Examples:

“pwned” --- while we understand that you think X has bested and defeated Y, posting “pwned” or “owned” or any close variant (with any combination of lol, lmao, rofl, etc) shows that you’re too lazy to express it intelligently. Don’t waste our time. People who make topics like to see that you’ve invested some thought into their topic.

“so”; “shut up”; “noob” --- simple blurbs and jabs are usually not allowed. There exceptions. If you can use it cleverly it often can pass. Here we run into the issue of what defines “clever.” Your best bet is to avoid these sorts of posts unless you’re very confident in its relevance or wit. [Typical ban length: three to seven days]

On the flip side, what about all those happy little bolded “can”s you saw up there? What? A post CAN have little thought put into it and NOT be spam? How in God’s name?! Well, it’s very circumstantial. Perhaps the post in question is short and was posted sort of flippantly but raises a very good point. Generally, seasoned users will know the limits when it comes to this sort of posting. The best way to acquire such knowledge is to lurk along with post regularly.

Basic NON-spam

These are just your day to day posts. They may not be all together huge, and they will vary in quality. But they do not break any obvious rules and will almost always be quite relevant to the topic on hand. I think most regular’s posts will be comprised of this category. Simple enough.

Borderline spam and borderline NON-spam

This is perhaps the most important part of the topic; the no man’s land where spam and non-spam meet. The area of posting where the justice or complacency wrought upon you can be swayed simply by the mood of the mod who reviews you post. Borderline posts occur all the time. A “basic post” in a very spammy thread. Near-basic spam posts in topic where there’s large paragraph conversation being held. These borderline posts are hybrids of the basic posts and the basic spam posts, really.

Since these posts are highly dependant on moderator discretion, remember that you CAN appeal your bans via PM. If the ban is unsigned, it’s likely because your offence was blatant enough to not deserve an appeal. However, if you feel a ban was unfair because of an interpretation of “spam” then feel free to PM the mod. Refrain from being an asshole in your PM. A polite, professional (without overdoing and sounding like a twit) approach will increase your chances of cooperation tenfold. Ask the mod why they thought it was a spam post; state your case. I’ve reversed several bans simply because the user had enough decency to politely inquire as to what was wrong with their post. [Typical ban length: one to three days]

Helpful Hints

PUNCUTATION can often save you from being banned. “ohi see” is MUCH more likely to get you nailed than “Oh, I see.”

DON’T USE ACRONYMS
This is a BBS, not an IM chat box. There’s no exclusive need for speed. “lol nice” is much more likely to get you banned than “Hahaha, nice!” Same goes for “stfu noob” versus “Shut the fuck UP, gah.”

LURK
This is good general advice, not just for being able to detect spam.
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Hopefully this post will help define spam for you a little better. Again, this is just my opinion. Other mods are welcome to add/question the ideas presented within.

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Thank God!
As a new person, I really need to start learning how to post properly!

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Okay, thanks.

Didn't need it at all...

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The rules should definitely include a link somewhere to this thread. It would help the users to understand what each mod considers spam so they'll know exactly which topics to avoid posting in.

SUCK IT TREBEK,

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...Well, Are MSPaint threads still okay? :)


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Posted at: 10/13/06 10:14 PM

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Actually this has helped me A LOT, I see a future of little to no bans hopefully. :)

for spam anyway

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Posted at: 10/13/06 10:15 PM

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If I have to ask myself whether a post is questionable spam or not, it's most likely spam. Thus, I make an *attempt* not to post.

This is pure, assisted self-destruction

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Posted at: 10/13/06 10:18 PM

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At 10/13/06 10:12 PM, Redface wrote: ...Well, Are MSPaint threads still okay? :)

Why the heck shouldnt they be?

Sure, its mostly short texts followed by a scribbled picture, but hey, as long as its fun and on topic it should be allright.

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At 10/13/06 10:11 PM, MadCow wrote: Thank God!
As a new person, I really need to start learning how to post properly!
)

Example: Basic Post.
Nothing huge, nothing groundshaking. A nice comment.

At 10/13/06 10:11 PM, Jesus-Christ wrote: Okay, thanks.
Didn't need it at all...

Example: Borderline spam. Meets some of the AND requirements: Unfunny, unthoughtful BUT it's relevant to a degree and it does sort of exceed one line. In this case the user wasn't banned. (Use of punctuation helped).

At 10/13/06 10:11 PM, Chumbawamba wrote: The rules should definitely include a link somewhere to this thread. It would help the users to understand what each mod considers spam so they'll know exactly which topics to avoid posting in.

Example: Basic post; higher end on the quality scale. Insightful suggestion, good punctuation, nice length.

At 10/13/06 10:12 PM, Redface wrote: ...Well, Are MSPaint threads still okay? :)

Example: Basic post, medium range of quality. Good puncutation, short, posing some good natured humour.

At 10/13/06 10:14 PM, Funny-Man wrote: Actually this has helped me A LOT, I see a future of little to no bans hopefully. :)

for spam anyway

Example: Basic post, medium range of quality.

At 10/13/06 10:15 PM, STEM wrote: If I have to ask myself whether a post is questionable spam or not, it's most likely spam. Thus, I make an *attempt* not to post.

Example: Basic post, slighty higher end of quality as it adds to the concepts presented in the topic.

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Posted at: 10/13/06 10:19 PM

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At 10/13/06 10:12 PM, Redface wrote: ...Well, Are MSPaint threads still okay? :)

I personally wanted that thread locked into an oblivion which no whimpers could be heard from the depths of darkness and choas, and Satan takes a leak on the user who did that thread.

But Zerok's thread prevented that, which baffles me.

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Posted at: 10/13/06 10:20 PM

Circuit City flames are also not allowed, but I really didn't care for Zerok's rules... at all.


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Posted at: 10/13/06 10:24 PM

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Are mods going to lock spam threads and link it to this thread?
And if they do, are they going to destroy spam threads created by a user who made another spam thread that was locked and linked to this thread?


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This is a classic example of a poster who does very little to contribute to this fine bulliten boards system, and would definately never be modded because the administration here is excellent.

Now this is a perfect example of a very intelligent user that if we did not have his great presence, our forums would surely be lesser. I'm sure our fabulous administators have not gotten around to naming him a moderator or administator, but they will do so in the very near future, God willing.

i signed up in 2004 you preteen cunts, get off my lawn


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So, how is this going to be implemented? Since, it seems like this is more a notice to users than to mods, maybe it should be made as more of a notice. I've found that threads tend to sink into obscurity relatively quickly and are, consequently forgotten. I mean, sure, it will probably be up for a week or so, but what's the plan to make this a little more memorable than that?

Think you're pretty clever...

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Posted at: 10/13/06 10:26 PM

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If we allowed stickies, I'm pretty sure this thread would be one of the first one up there.

I believe mods should use this to show to newbies who join in the future.

Guess the five albums and bands and you get a free cookie.

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Posted at: 10/13/06 10:29 PM

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At 10/13/06 10:24 PM, PsychoMonkeyParade wrote: This is a classic example of a poster who does very little to contribute to this fine bulliten boards system, and would definately never be modded because the administration here is excellent.

See, she got Modded within the first few months of her Newground Experiance, because of a thread with her doing very long high quality posts, but, once she did get her mods, she then began to abuse it.

She did begin to post, well, borderline spam and that led to her de-modship and now back to her borderline spam posting style. This is probably due to that she believes because she got modded, meaning she is a "regular", so she could post anything she wanted.

But hey, I've been here only a year, so my opinion isn't appreciated.

Now this is a perfect example of a very intelligent user that if we did not have his great presence, our forums would surely be lesser. I'm sure our fabulous administators have not gotten around to naming him a moderator or administator, but they will do so in the very near future, God willing.

lollolol

I have bad grammar. I'm 12. I got a B in english last quarter. Go figure :(

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At 10/13/06 10:24 PM, Gunter45 wrote: So, how is this going to be implemented? Since, it seems like this is more a notice to users than to mods, maybe it should be made as more of a notice. I've found that threads tend to sink into obscurity relatively quickly and are, consequently forgotten. I mean, sure, it will probably be up for a week or so, but what's the plan to make this a little more memorable than that?

Well, this has no official purpose. I made a guide to Bumping Topics earlier to help clear up some confusion in that area, and someone suggested that a thread to clear up spam issues would also be nice. So I started making this thread on Word, forgot about it for a bit and just finished it tonoght.

The only way to make it more memorable for now is to relevantly (;D) bump it from time to time.

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I found this very helpful and informative.


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At 10/13/06 10:29 PM, Peacekid wrote: See, she got Modded

You are surely mistaken. This could never happen with our Grand Leader/Superior Lord Wade Fulp in charge, who never ever ever ever ever makes judgements based on his fetish for asian women, could it?

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This reminds me of that guide i made not too long ago.

Hmm, secrecy.

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Spammers: owned.

Lawl, I'ma clever little boy.

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At 10/13/06 10:24 PM, Gunter45 wrote: So, how is this going to be implemented? Since, it seems like this is more a notice to users than to mods, maybe it should be made as more of a notice. I've found that threads tend to sink into obscurity relatively quickly and are, consequently forgotten. I mean, sure, it will probably be up for a week or so, but what's the plan to make this a little more memorable than that?

Linked...

..and sigged.

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At 10/13/06 10:11 PM, Jesus-Christ wrote: Okay, thanks.
Didn't need it at all...

STFU U FUCKEN N00B


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you look into it way to much, just take each posts on it own merit.
spam posts are not only blindingly obvious but easily avoidable.

Example: Basic Post, banned for 4 weeks because madknt sucks. BWAHAHAHA *abuse of power*

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At 10/13/06 10:41 PM, madknt wrote: you look into it way to much, just take each posts on it own merit.
spam posts are not only blindingly obvious but easily avoidable.

The thread's designed for those who don't look far enough into it.

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I'll stick to my own spam. It's preferably more tasty.

Guide: what is and what isn't spam?


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Gee golly, Mr. Zerok. Even a moron can understand that.

Even a fucking moron.

Filler text.
Because this space needs to be bigger than it already should be.
Jigen made this sig. madknt downsized it to fit the filesize limit. Go team.

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I'm sorry for all of the wrong I've done Zerok. Do you forgive me?

This account is inactive. If you're reading this then go fuck yourself.

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At 10/13/06 10:51 PM, Tannerite wrote: Gee golly, Mr. Zerok. Even a moron can understand that.

Even a fucking moron.

That's what's sad. =)

At 10/13/06 10:52 PM, HotActionYiffFur wrote: I'm sorry for all of the wrong I've done Zerok. Do you forgive me?

<3

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Damn it, this is a damn good topic, and thank you Zerok for writing this all out, but the people who are spamming these days are the hordes of alt accounts just trying to skim some idiot semi-regular, Level nine, One thousand to two thousand post kids up in their ban.

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