Political/Social reasons for hentai

[NoNameProphet]

Pre-post notes
I moved this topic from the General Boards because I recieved no intelligent feedback. I figured I'd have more luck on the politics board, where intelligence is a bit more common =P. I hope that's true. Anyway, don't take this topic off for repeating it, if you ask me, it never existed on the other one because no one actually took it into their heads.

ON TO THE REAL TOPIC!

INTRODUCTION
I've been a fan of Anime (not hentai, but Anime... like Trigun and Bebop.. Not the kiddy crap that floods western TV most of the time =P), and I happened to wander upon an article on its origins once, and after that I at least understood why. I know this won't get to everyone, but at least it will get to some people. This topic is trying to help everyone understand why hentai developed and why we shouldn't abuse its followers!

ANIMATION IN JAPAN POST-WAR
The base for all anime was of course created in Japan. The time it really grew was after the war, and due to their economy, and other geological factors... it was alot harder for them to develop television, live actors, recording studios... things like that. So the creation of Manga came along....

ANIMATION IN THE US
These 'comics' in Japan developed a lot differently from those in the US. The industry here never had much room to grow due to censorship. Comics were given massive restrictions due to heat it took from parents, review boards, politics... The crippling blow to American Animation was the belief put ahead by those vocal parents that said 'cartoons are for kids' so basically the genre ended up being severely limited. You only ended up with those corny simple-story-morals, OBVIOUS good guys and badguys, super heroes, and other ridiculous and childish brainwashing bullshit. (Kids are underestimated if you ask me, if anything American Comics limits intellectual development because it brainwashes them with simplicity. There's also the issue with Disney's monopoly of that industry at the time, and how they crippled many small buisinesses in the field... but I want to keep this short.

ANIMATION AND INTELLECTUAL DEVELOPMENT. AMERICAN VS JAPANESE
My little brother was able to handle anime like Trigun and he is young, and it has much more complicated and interesting plotlines... keeping things simple, and leaving such simplistic morals, and having it be the ONLY thing they are subjected to, will mold people into idiots. Which might even be the reason why so many people ARE idiots. But that's a different topic, right?

ANIMATION AND JAPAN : DIVERSITY
Japan's post-war gov't had to stick to the American rules, and unlike us, they were actually able to do it properly. The ammendment of freedom of speech WAS ACTUALLY FOLLOWED... unlike the hipocritical bastards that killed animation in the US!!! So diversity arose since people were allowed to say (and draw) what they wanted.

THE BIRTH OF HENTAI
Just like how the porn industry started to grow in the US, it happened in Japan too, but since their culture had become totally engrossed with manga and animation (due to the lack of the alternative), the development came in the form of hentai. It is NOT "perverted cartoons".. to them it WAS their version of porn. I can't expect you to understand the cultural differences that led to it.... But I tried.

CONCLUSION
Hentai spread across the world after that... why is it accepted? Some hold cartoons to a higher level than we were taught to. Some just find it arousing and don't care what others think.

To summarize the development... HENTAI exists because of the WAY that THEIR CULTURE DEVELOPED, and the FREEDOM OF SPEECH that they let exist.

Extra notes. Not part of the essay =P
Just to pre-empt a possible statement I might end up getting back..
"Well the internet has spread real porn, so they have access to it. Why do they prefer cartoons? Are they all lifeless losers?"

The answer is no. They just grew up with manga/animation so it's within human reason if they ended up being open-minded enough to enjoy it.

On a totally different note
I wonder what would have happened to the American Animation industry if it wasn't censored in its birth. Maybe anime will inspire new artists, and they can break free of the stigma. I am not saying I want US making animation-porn. I am talking about proper storylines, and not 'simpleton kiddy-shit'.

I watch 'real porn' rather than hentai yeah, but that's because of where I grew up =P. I am just saying I understand WHY it happened, and I won't be a flamming faggot and harrass people because of the way their culture grew. (( ***And that's what I want to teach you people! Don't flame what you can't understand!!*** ))

[Taors]

One of the statements that you said was incorrect. Although I no longer watch the anime "DragonballZ", I knew that it was heavily censored. The comics, however, were not.

Most of the graphic novels, and comics/manga, are uncensored and translated very well.

[Jimsween]

Damn... I wish my 100th post was as good as yours. Seriously that has to be one of the best put together posts I've ever seen. Your right about the other cultures thing but couldnt another factor be that you can get cartoons to do alot of things humans wouldn't? Or at least humans with any self esteem whatsoever...

[mysecondstar]

you know porn in the US and in Japan are very different. Japanese porn, and hentai, traditionally must be censored. only the "underground" Japanese pornography allows for the display of the female and male genitalia. but that has more to do with culture than anything else. Japan, recently, has been more lenient on that rule, yet it is still looked down upon.

[Jimsween]

I heard that Japan and China have law that say you can't show pubic hair even in pornographic videos. I thought about this for a while and got a little confused, could the people shave thier pubic hair, and what about hentai are they allowed to show pubic hair then? If anyone knows what exactly it apllies too that'd be great.

[NoNameProphet]

At 3/21/03 10:06 PM, jimsween wrote: Damn... I wish my 100th post was as good as yours. Seriously that has to be one of the best put together posts I've ever seen.

Lol, much thanks. And yeah. I forgot to celebrate. Yaaay 100th post! ^_^.

Note on the other guy's note on censorship though... Yeah they do censor, but the point is that they don't leave out entire concepts or ideas. If the hentai thing is any good beyond a porn tool, then it won't matter if it's censored. YES there actually IS some hentai that can make you think. It's just... very very rare.

[mysecondstar]

At 3/21/03 10:19 PM, jimsween wrote: I thought about this for a while and got a little confused, could the people shave thier pubic hair, and what about hentai are they allowed to show pubic hair then?

in hentai they are shorn clean.

[NoNameProphet]

One of the statements that you said was incorrect. Although I no longer watch the anime "DragonballZ", I knew that it was heavily censored. The comics, however, were not.

Most of the graphic novels, and comics/manga, are uncensored and translated very well.

^ True, it has been censored of much blood and things, but the concept remains the same. DBZ isn't too hot in my books though because the concept is a bit simplistic. Good or Evil, people mindlessly wanting to destroy the universe cuz they want to.... It needs some shades of grey. People working to achieve good through 'evil' methods.

At 3/21/03 10:06 PM, jimsween wrote: Damn... I wish my 100th post was as good as yours. Seriously that has to be one of the best put together posts I've ever seen. Your right about the other cultures thing but couldnt another factor be that you can get cartoons to do alot of things humans wouldn't? Or at least humans with any self esteem whatsoever...

Yeah, the freedom cartoons give in what you can do gives writers limitless bounds. It's what gives them incredible potential. That's a good point.

[Ted-Easton]

I usually so read, posts, but I'm so tired right now that frankly, your post scares me.

But really, I think Hentai should be classified seperately from Porn. It's hand drawings. No matter what the quality, or accuracy, they are only the same as doodles, or should be, in the eyes of the law.
Sorry if that's off topic, but I'm tired. I was up at 3 AM.

[NoNameProphet]

At 3/21/03 11:01 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: But really, I think Hentai should be classified seperately from Porn. It's hand drawings. No matter what the quality, or accuracy, they are only the same as doodles, or should be, in the eyes of the law.
Sorry if that's off topic, but I'm tired. I was up at 3 AM.

Hehe, yeah you are a bit tired ^_^... My point isn't that hentai should be classified as porn... it's that it shouldn't be flamed. It's just there because of cultural difference and should be more accepted.

[mysecondstar]

At 3/21/03 11:07 PM, NoNameProphet wrote: Hehe, yeah you are a bit tired ^_^... My point isn't that hentai should be classified as porn... it's that it shouldn't be flamed. It's just there because of cultural difference and should be more accepted.

who's flaming it? generally, most people don't care.

[NoNameProphet]

At 3/22/03 12:55 AM, mysecondstar wrote: who's flaming it? generally, most people don't care.

Well then sit down and learn a bit about world history and culture, eitherway it's a good topic.

[mysecondstar]

At 3/22/03 01:10 AM, NoNameProphet wrote:

At 3/22/03 12:55 AM, mysecondstar wrote: who's flaming it? generally, most people don't care.

Well then sit down and learn a bit about world history and culture, eitherway it's a good topic.

wait a second, you're telling me to learn MY history and MY cuture? i'm from asia. i'm asian. i've read manga since i started reading. i'm into my own culture. i think i'm probably a better authority on the subject than you are. i stated that not too many people care because it is the truth. regardless of how good or viable the topic, the fact of the matter is it isn't some of major concern.

[NoNameProphet]

At 3/22/03 01:16 AM, mysecondstar wrote: wait a second, you're telling me to learn MY history and MY cuture? i'm from asia. i'm asian. i've read manga since i started reading. i'm into my own culture. i think i'm probably a better authority on the subject than you are. i stated that not too many people care because it is the truth. regardless of how good or viable the topic, the fact of the matter is it isn't some of major concern.

I wasn't saying you specifically. Just loose speak to anyone in particular. Just because you know of the topic and the history of both countries doesn't mean everyone does.

And if it isn't a concern don't waste both of our time by telling me it isn't of major concern, right?

[Ted-Easton]

Ok, I'm a bit more here now.

Define a few of these terms for me, will ya? I know generally what they mean, but I want to make sure before I start using them.

Anime-
Hentai-
Manga-

Any other terms you can think of, to set the scene for debate.

[NoNameProphet]

At 3/22/03 08:13 AM, Ted_Easton wrote: Anime-
Hentai-
Manga-

Sure thing.

Anime - A distinct form of animation originating in Japan.
Hentai - Anime Porn. Pretty simple.
Manga - Think anime, but as a comic. Manga was the start of it all.

[Ted-Easton]

Thanks.
And is manga hentai or anime, usually, or is it varied?

[NoNameProphet]

At 3/22/03 09:22 AM, Ted_Easton wrote: Thanks.
And is manga hentai or anime, usually, or is it varied?

It can be both.

[Ted-Easton]

Because mysecondstar had said he had been reading manga since he learned to read, and if one of the first things he read was hentai, I was going to ask him a few questions!

[Taors]

When I said that the graphic novels and the manga/comics were not censored, above, I didn't mean the Hentai ones. I know most of those are censored.

Also, DragonballZ was just an example, the plot in my opinion is horrible. The anime is redundant and outdated, the anime ended in the mid-80's.