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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-27 06:31:00 Reply

I watched like 5 movies today.

My neighbor totoro, the girl who leapt through time, mind game, tokyo godfathers, and paprika. God damn I am tired right now.

The most noticeable one was mind game. Really, that movie went beyond mind fuck. Seriously one of the strangest films I've seen in my life. Glad I watched it, though. Would have liked a "normal" ending though. For a movie like that, I think it might be too much to ask.

The girl who leapt through time was definitely my favorite, though. Tokyo godfathers is a close second.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-27 06:48:49 Reply

At 2/27/10 06:31 AM, Wesleyiam wrote: The most noticeable one was mind game. Really, that movie went beyond mind fuck. Seriously one of the strangest films I've seen in my life. Glad I watched it, though. Would have liked a "normal" ending though. For a movie like that, I think it might be too much to ask.

A normal ending really would have gone against the entire idea of the film.

It's a film about possibilities.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-27 11:57:09 Reply

I thought I saw too much anime, but everyone here is an expert in this! I can´t compare my knowledge with this forum, all here see the triple what I.

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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-27 16:01:48 Reply

At 2/27/10 01:11 PM, Mendou wrote:
Probably the worst film Satoshi Kon has directed, though.
What makes you say that?

The other films he has directed are better.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-27 18:49:02 Reply

Urge I managed to get a copy of Ponyo but it is PAL <->__<->


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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-27 19:14:06 Reply

At 2/27/10 06:49 PM, Omorashi wrote: Urge I managed to get a copy of Ponyo but it is PAL <->__<->

Actually it was a blueray disk image that I burned to a double layer dvd. I figured out how to play it on my laptop. About to start watching it :)


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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-27 19:53:47 Reply

At 2/27/10 07:14 PM, Omorashi wrote: Actually it was a blueray disk image that I burned to a double layer dvd. I figured out how to play it on my laptop. About to start watching it :)

Awesome, make sure to tell us how it was.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-27 20:23:58 Reply

So, I picked up slayers. Not bad, I can dig the old style. It's kind of like a better Orphan.

Thinking of picking up pani poni dash, but it's from creators of negima, and I hated negima. Probably going to give the first episode a shot.

I tried to give letter bee another shot, but I was overwhelmed by the cocksucking and whining. Really really horrible anime. I've seen like 7 episodes and this kid won't fucking stop crying.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-27 21:24:07 Reply

I saw the first episode of the anime. I gotta say I'm a bigger fan of the manga on this one. (tegami bachi of course :P)

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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-27 22:52:12 Reply

At 2/27/10 09:24 PM, giveupyourwaffles wrote: I saw the first episode of the anime. I gotta say I'm a bigger fan of the manga on this one. (tegami bachi of course :P)

Yeah, of course, who wouldn't know that you were talking about tegami bachi.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-28 02:06:24 Reply

Just finished watching Ponyo. It was so fucking amazing, and cute. If you say you don't like it then you are being dishonest.

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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-28 02:14:28 Reply

i just watched princess mononoke and spirited away for the first time in ages the other day, id forgotten just how amazing those two movies are, i love them.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-28 12:56:50 Reply

At 2/28/10 02:06 AM, Omorashi wrote: Just finished watching Ponyo. It was so fucking amazing, and cute. If you say you don't like it then you are being dishonest.

I prefer The Moving Castle, but Ponyo was nice too.

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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-28 14:03:11 Reply

At 2/28/10 12:56 PM, IngeniousCheese wrote: I prefer The Moving Castle, but Ponyo was nice too.

I actually haven't seen moving castle but I did watch valley of the wind and spirited away. Both where good movies.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-28 18:33:14 Reply

I haven't seen Ponyo for a host of reasons:

1. It's put out by DISNEY. Disney is well-known for content censorship and heavy localization, plus the Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood has been fighting to have them shut down for years.
2. They cut out the theme song.
3. I don't trust dubbers anymore.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-28 21:59:42 Reply

At 2/28/10 08:20 PM, Mendou wrote:
At 2/28/10 06:33 PM, HibiscusKazeneko wrote:

1. It's put out by DISNEY. Disney is well-known for content censorship and heavy localization, plus the Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood has been fighting to have them shut down for years.
2. They cut out the theme song.
3. I don't trust dubbers anymore.
I think you're absolutely ridiculous.

Also, Miyazaki and Ghibli does not allow his/their movies to be drastically censored, and whatever edits they put in, seem hardly noticeable.

Not after Nausicaa.

This, and once again Hibiscus you forget something called MARKETING! Disney is a business first and foremost, so yeah they're going to be evil in some of their practices. Disney is a business and their main market is children. This is why we have a rating system. Disney owns many companies so they can cater to all demographics of people. My god, they own Miramax and Touchstone pictures for the explicit reason of not just doing kiddy shit all the time. Hell, if you even look at some of the recent Pixar films there is a very dark atmosphere about them and are really more for adults than kids.

As for the theme song, well you really can't release a song or any thing foriegn to American audiences without dubbing it. They didn't cut out the theme song they just translated it into english and got Noah Cyrus to sing it. I watched Ponyo both subbed and dubbed and the Theme song was placed at the end in both versions. There are variations in the lyrics, but for song being translated you can't use a hard translation or it makes no fucking sense. Other than that the music is identical. So this is just stupid.

Oh and let me backtrack a bit, the localization doesn't exist in Ponyo as all the characters have the same names they do in the Japanese version all that's changed is the language and the there are REALLY no edits done to Ponyo in both the Japanese and American versions. Aside from maybe polishing it up.

The nature of the Ponyo's English adaptation was a bit of a Jonas/Cyrus vehicle. I mean I hate both the Jonas Brothers and Miley Cyrus, but Disney is going with what's popular for them and are using the under siblings of both Jonas and Cyrus to increase marketability. MARKETING!!!

Also, because Disney can afford really high profile actors they could you the marketability and talent of the actors to make for a very exciting English adaptation. I mean, Liam Neeson, Tina Fey and Matt Damon what's not to like about THAT? Indeed, it was awesome.

Plus you've explained that you do not like dubs.. or rather not trust them. We've argued about this before, but frankly I don't wanna repeat my long-winded arguments over the validity of dubbed anime. I could make further ad hominem about this, biut fuck it, it's not worth it.

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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-28 22:26:52 Reply

At 2/28/10 06:33 PM, HibiscusKazeneko wrote: I haven't seen Ponyo for a host of reasons:

1. It's put out by DISNEY. Disney is well-known for content censorship and heavy localization, plus the Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood has been fighting to have them shut down for years.
2. They cut out the theme song.
3. I don't trust dubbers anymore.

The DVD I have was a copy of the original release in 2008-9. It had subs in a couple languages and Japanese audio :3. Personally I fucking hate Dubs. I don't feel guilty for not supporting the artist because he is dead.

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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-28 23:10:48 Reply

Speaking of ridiculous censorship...

I've been itching to use this picture

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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-28 23:12:34 Reply

At 2/28/10 11:10 PM, Wesleyiam wrote: Speaking of ridiculous censorship...

I've been itching to use this picture

Wow.......That's just plain racist. And to think I used to watch Fox when I was younger.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-28 23:27:50 Reply

At 2/28/10 11:10 PM, Wesleyiam wrote: Speaking of ridiculous censorship...

I've been itching to use this picture

That's really not ridiculous.

People would likely get up in arms about a racist-looking black caricature being shown on television, and they're trying to avoid that.

It's what I would call 'smart'.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-02-28 23:57:09 Reply

At 2/28/10 08:20 PM, Mendou wrote:
Also, Miyazaki and Ghibli does not allow his/their movies to be drastically censored, and whatever edits they put in, seem hardly noticeable.

Not after Nausicaa.

They only prohibit visual edits, not other edits.
If you look closely at the scripts for Porco Rosso and Spirited Away, for example, you'll notice that there were some significant differences regarding tone and plot direction (some of which was for political reasons). Plus they actually redid the music for Castle in the Sky (they recommissioned Joe Hisaishi and everything).

At 2/28/10 09:59 PM, MattTheParanoidKat wrote:
This, and once again Hibiscus you forget something called MARKETING! Disney is a business first and foremost, so yeah they're going to be evil in some of their practices. Disney is a business and their main market is children. This is why we have a rating system. Disney owns many companies so they can cater to all demographics of people. My god, they own Miramax and Touchstone pictures for the explicit reason of not just doing kiddy shit all the time. Hell, if you even look at some of the recent Pixar films there is a very dark atmosphere about them and are really more for adults than kids.

UPDATE: Miramax closed its doors a few weeks ago.
I hated them anyway, considering what they did to several imported live-action movies.


As for the theme song, well you really can't release a song or any thing foriegn to American audiences without dubbing it. They didn't cut out the theme song they just translated it into english and got Noah Cyrus to sing it. I watched Ponyo both subbed and dubbed and the Theme song was placed at the end in both versions. There are variations in the lyrics, but for song being translated you can't use a hard translation or it makes no fucking sense. Other than that the music is identical. So this is just stupid.

It's still disrespectful. Nozomi Ohashi set a record with the original, and for a bunch of bureaucrats to decide that her recording was "inappropriate" or "not good enough" for international audiences is beyond reprehensible. You notice how anime like Naruto and Bleach have been able to maintain thier original theme songs (regardless of all the other edits they've suffered)? Obviously Viz knew this to be true. Think about it: if you had composed/performed a song for a movie that was shown in its original form where you live and international licensors decided to scrap it because they thought it wasn't good enough for their target audiences, how would you take it? You'd be offended, right?

Oh and let me backtrack a bit, the localization doesn't exist in Ponyo as all the characters have the same names they do in the Japanese version all that's changed is the language and the there are REALLY no edits done to Ponyo in both the Japanese and American versions. Aside from maybe polishing it up.

I don't trust that. There was a particularly controversial scene in the movie and from what I've been able to conjecture, Disney modified the dialogue to take the focus off.

The nature of the Ponyo's English adaptation was a bit of a Jonas/Cyrus vehicle. I mean I hate both the Jonas Brothers and Miley Cyrus, but Disney is going with what's popular for them and are using the under siblings of both Jonas and Cyrus to increase marketability. MARKETING!!!

Respect for the integrity of the original work trumps marketability. The first Pokémon movie, for example, had about 25 to 30 minutes of footage cut for "marketability" reasons, and it was a multibillion-dollar success because in those days people did not readily have access to truthful information like we do nowadays. Now more than a decade later, more and more prospective fans are turning to independent watchdogs to make sure they're not putting money toward the butchery that once plagued the anime industry. I suggest you do the same. It's obvious Disney has little to no respect for the integrity of Miyazaki's works, so I no longer patronize them.

Also, because Disney can afford really high profile actors they could you the marketability and talent of the actors to make for a very exciting English adaptation. I mean, Liam Neeson, Tina Fey and Matt Damon what's not to like about THAT? Indeed, it was awesome.

I'm not one of those hiveminds who mindlessly watch something just because a particular actor was in it. I do my homework first and figure out where my money and attention are going to go: for example, I won't watch any of Jennifer Lopez's movies because of her campaign to forcibly inoculate people against pertussis. (It sounds like a good cause on the surface, but if you dig deeper, it's not.)

Plus you've explained that you do not like dubs.. or rather not trust them. We've argued about this before, but frankly I don't wanna repeat my long-winded arguments over the validity of dubbed anime. I could make further ad hominem about this, biut fuck it, it's not worth it.

I suggest you do some research before you dive face-first into whatever the licensing/dubbing companies throw at you. It makes a world of difference; trust me.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-03-01 00:18:19 Reply

At 2/28/10 11:57 PM, HibiscusKazeneko wrote:

You're just determined to start flame wars in this thread, aren't you? I'm not saving you anymore.


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At 3/1/10 12:18 AM, Wonko-the-Sane wrote:
At 2/28/10 11:57 PM, HibiscusKazeneko wrote:
You're just determined to start flame wars in this thread, aren't you? I'm not saving you anymore.

I don't ever intend to start flame wars; I just happen to carry an unpopular opinion and people happen to take advantage of this in order to get me mad, forcing me to vent and get me in trouble for flaming.
It's an old pattern, and I loathe it as much as you do.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-03-02 04:36:57 Reply

At 2/28/10 02:14 AM, nathan0191 wrote: i just watched princess mononoke and spirited away for the first time in ages the other day, id forgotten just how amazing those two movies are, i love them.

Spirited Away was one of the best anime movies I've seen, but sadly I only got through half of princess mononoke, thanks for reminding me, gotta put that on my to watch list.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-03-02 05:46:07 Reply

At 3/1/10 08:31 PM, HibiscusKazeneko wrote: I don't ever intend to start flame wars; I just happen to carry an unpopular opinion and people happen to take advantage of this in order to get me mad, forcing me to vent and get me in trouble for flaming.

I think the problem is that you're a little bit of a whiner.

You're getting so angry and riled up about something that really doesn't matter in the long run. Disney translated a song as well as all of the dialogue in a movie. Wow. Big deal. I'm sure it adds something knowing the lyrics of the song, and most children don't want to read subtitles.

Disney isn't allowed to change anything without Hayao Miyazaki's okay. If it has been changed, then it is because Miyazaki agreed with the changes.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-03-02 12:44:38 Reply

At 3/2/10 05:46 AM, Aigis wrote: and most children don't want to read subtitles.

This attitude from americans confuses me. Do you watch foreign movies dubbed too?

Of course you don't, I know that much.

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Response to Anime Club 2010-03-02 19:40:02 Reply

I just finished watching Ponyo and I'm glad to say that it fully lived up to my expectations. I can definatly see now why so many people love Hayao Miyazaki's work. I look forward to seeing his other movies.

At 2/28/10 06:33 PM, HibiscusKazeneko wrote: I haven't seen Ponyo for a host of reasons:

1. It's put out by DISNEY. Disney is well-known for content censorship and heavy localization, plus the Campaign for a Commercial-Free Childhood has been fighting to have them shut down for years.

Disney are only publishing the movie, they don't have any effect on the movie itself since Hayao Miyazaki supervised what Disney did.

3. I don't trust dubbers anymore.

First off, the English cast did an incredible job with the dub. I was skeptic about them putting in Noah Cyrus and Frankie Jonas, but they both did a great job. Their siblings may not have talent, but when it comes to voice acting, these kids did a great job.

Not only that, but Disney hired a lot of other great voice actors. If you can honestly say that you're upset about Liam Neeson and Betty White, then you need to have your ears checked.

Oh, and if you still don't like the dub, you can watch the movie with the original Japanese audio track. That way you're getting the exact version that was released in Japan, so you really have nothing to complain about.


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Response to Anime Club 2010-03-02 22:22:50 Reply

At 2/28/10 10:26 PM, Omorashi wrote: The DVD I have was a copy of the original release in 2008-9. It had subs in a couple languages and Japanese audio :3. Personally I fucking hate Dubs. I don't feel guilty for not supporting the artist because he is dead.
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You are right I have the DVD of The Moving Castle with its original audio, and I didn´t see anything censored.

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Response to Anime Club 2010-03-03 17:46:10 Reply

showing the beginning of Genius Party to my baby niece. has her hypnotized right now.

At 2/26/10 11:15 PM, Deadly-Shadow wrote: Also, Mendou, did you want to play Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 some time?

I've been playing that on my 360 lately. still an awesome game.

At 2/27/10 04:03 AM, Mendou wrote: Watched Tokyo Godfathers, holy shit.

love that movie

At 2/27/10 06:31 AM, Wesleyiam wrote: I watched like 5 movies today.

My neighbor totoro, the girl who leapt through time, mind game, tokyo godfathers, and paprika. God damn I am tired right now.

I loved all those, other than the Girl Who Leapt through time, which I have not yet seen.

At 2/27/10 08:23 PM, Wesleyiam wrote: So, I picked up slayers. Not bad, I can dig the old style. It's kind of like a better Orphan.

I loved Orphen when I was about 12. still have all the dvds. I ought to watch some episodes again for the memories. And with Slayers, I thought it was kind of amusing and charming, I got tired of it, especially with the animation and the dub voice acting.

At 2/28/10 11:10 PM, Wesleyiam wrote: Speaking of ridiculous censorship...

I've been itching to use this picture

lol wow. blackface in something that recent is...oh yeah, I forgot.


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At 3/3/10 05:46 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: lol wow. blackface in something that recent is...oh yeah, I forgot.

huh? image? what?

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