The Soldiors In The War

[bumcheekcity]

im fed up with people saying Britain should all band together and think of the soldiors who are in Iraq now. they say some of them don't want to be there and that they dont agree with the war and that they're risking teir lives.

firstly, soldiors know they will get sent into war and that they cant complain about it when the time comes, and if it comes. secondly, they aren't risking their lives particularly, they're armed to the teeth against what looks to be some men armed with nothing more high-tech than sticks (the Iraqis)

personally, i think that anyone who signs up for a job that involves killing people you have never met before needs their head checked.

[NEMESiSZ]

Those poor "Soldiors."

[Ted-Easton]

Makes me think of the "Soldiers" of old. *sniff*

[shamROCK678]

the iraqis are armed with guns, not sticks, even if they were, sticks can still hurt people...

[NEMESiSZ]

Dead 'soldiors' don't shoot back.

[panik]

Wow you sure are hard core. And what if the Iraqis are really good with those sticks. And you can sharpen those stickes and make spears, and then you can make bow and shoot the spear thats a bow and arrow, and then they can use rocks to make arrow heads, but they find the minearls to make gun powder instead and they use that to make guns, and then they make bigger guns, then while trying to make an even bigger gun they make nukes. Great now Iraq has Nukes now arn't you worried for your troops you heartless bastard.

[Commander-K25]

At 3/21/03 07:29 PM, panik wrote: And what if the Iraqis are really good with those sticks.

then we'll use our laser-guided, smart sticks (w/ built-in splinter protection).

[panik]

Fire the "Laser".

" ALl I wanted was freaking sharks with freaking lasers attached to their heads"

[Raptorman]

At 3/21/03 05:13 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: personally, i think that anyone who signs up for a job that involves killing people you have never met before needs their head checked.

"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

-- John Stuart Mill

[Taors]

Soldiers can still complain about it..

It is war.

[bumcheekcity]

At 3/21/03 09:43 PM, Taors wrote: Soldiers can still complain about it..

It is war.

you can't sign up for the army and complain when they post you out to fight a war.

[bumcheekcity]

At 3/21/03 07:29 PM, panik wrote: Wow you sure are hard core. And what if the Iraqis are really good with those sticks. And you can sharpen those stickes and make spears, and then you can make bow and shoot the spear thats a bow and arrow, and then they can use rocks to make arrow heads, but they find the minearls to make gun powder instead and they use that to make guns, and then they make bigger guns, then while trying to make an even bigger gun they make nukes. Great now Iraq has Nukes now arn't you worried for your troops you heartless bastard.

well, while they're sharpening those sticks, we've shot them and they dont have nukes.

its hard to feel sorry for people who kill for a living.

[House-Of-Leaves]

Do NOT fall into the post-Viet Nam trend of hating the soldiers, or being bitter toward them.

Be anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-weapon, anti-ANYTHING.

Do not be anti-soldier. That's just closedminded and hurtful.

[ArtTerrorismTactics]

Yeah, allied soldiers kick everyone's ass. They fucking rule. They should roll tanks into Washington and remove the hostile Bush regime too, maybe we could replace him with a leader the American people choose for themselves, they could start their own democratic process. What's good for the goose...

[Slizor]

Do not be anti-soldier. That's just closedminded and hurtful.

It's not being anti-soldier, it's just not supporting them.

[NoNameProphet]

At 3/22/03 06:20 AM, Slizor wrote: It's not being anti-soldier, it's just not supporting them.

Oh being anti-soldier supports the soldiers alright... because if you hate them you don't care if they go to war, and then they get to do their job and make some monayyy.. The mercenaries would be out of a job if everyone loved them too much to hire them. Heheh..

[NJDeadzone]

At 3/22/03 06:20 AM, Slizor wrote:

Do not be anti-soldier. That's just closedminded and hurtful.

It's not being anti-soldier, it's just not supporting them.

i doubt that any of those soldiers want to fight on the other side of the earth(for many, again). But they're brave enough to say, "I don't like it, but i'll do it for my country."

I had a very nostalgic moment today. It happened to be a beautiful morning in NJ which is a rariety, so i took my girlfriend to the park. As i sat on the bench with her, the ducks, geese, and seagulls were all mingling and making funny sounds in the pond. As i watched people of all types nationalities: the elderly with their children and some with grandchildren, middle age couples, pensive walkers...etc, i realized that our soldiers out there are fighting so that I can enjoy a moment like this, and so that children don't have to worry about terrorist attacks in many aspects of their lives, and so that the elderly, who survived a way more painful war, can live the rest of their lives in peace.

[House-Of-Leaves]

At 3/22/03 06:20 AM, Slizor wrote:

Do not be anti-soldier. That's just closedminded and hurtful.

It's not being anti-soldier, it's just not supporting them.

I'm not sure how old you are, or if you know anyone that's a Viet Nam veteran.

My uncle has told me about Viet Nam. Not about being there...but about the horrors of coming home to an anti-soldier nation.

Spit on, beat, kicked, hated. Shunned. What's worse, is that some of them didn't have a choice. The government played lottery games with their birthdays and MADE them.

After Viet Nam, the United States changed. Eventually for the better. If your support for the soldiers is simply...not hating them? That's fine. You don't have to support them killing anyone. But someone has to be in our military. Someone has to protect us. What are they supposed to do? Just up and desert at the sign of war, whether or not they agree with it?

Spreading hate about our soldiers is inhumane. Support doesn't mean applauding or supporting death. I do not support the cause. I do not support death. I support them COMING HOME. I pray every night for it.

[JMHX]

Vietnam was a scar on America that will never fully heal. It has wounded so many mentally and physically that it is now the war that will define pain and suffering. Every war has had masses of pain and suffering, but until Vietnam, none were reported on so objectively. Those poor boys didn't deserve the anger they came home to.

[SithLaird]

I'm a DEPS Marine, and will be leaving civillian life in a matter of weeks. If I had enlisted straight out of High School, I'd be over there right now...; it feels eerie, like I know I should be over there, but part of me is glad I still have the right to have my say about the conflicts.

When I finally leave for boot, I will serve knowing I'm protecting the rights I may have as a civillian. And if the People call upon me to overthrow a corrupt Government, only then will I disagree with the orders I will be given.

[Taxman2A]

At 3/21/03 05:13 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: firstly, soldiors know they will get sent into war and that they cant complain about it when the time comes, and if it comes. secondly, they aren't risking their lives particularly, they're armed to the teeth against what looks to be some men armed with nothing more high-tech than sticks (the Iraqis)

personally, i think that anyone who signs up for a job that involves killing people you have never met before needs their head checked.

The Iraqi's are armed with sticks?!!! What a well thought out and insightful post. Are you an idiot? While I know you have an extensive knowledge of everything, I will remind you that the AK-47 Assault Rifle is, well, lets say a little bit meaner than a stick. These men with AK's are also wearing civilian clothes so that they are an unidentifiable enemy. I also realize that you have an extensive knowledge of military tactics, but I will still remind you that fighting against guerilla units alot of times means that technological and even tactical superiority does not ensure victory.

You think people sign up for the job to kill people they have never met? Do a little research on the subject, douchebag. Talk to every military servicemember you know and find one of them that joined to kill someone (oh whats that, you don't know any of them? well thats interesting). Some people join the military to learn discipline and to protect their country. Some people join to get money for college. None join to kill people they haven't met.

Also, learn how to spell and use proper grammar. It becomes increasingly difficult to sift through your already baseless arguments when I have to try and decipher what the fuck a "soldior" is.

[iWalker]

At 3/22/03 04:46 AM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: Do NOT fall into the post-Viet Nam trend of hating the soldiers, or being bitter toward them.

Be anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-weapon, anti-ANYTHING.

Do not be anti-soldier. That's just closedminded and hurtful.

hey i'm soldier neutral. of course prolly they don't want to die and so BUT they still have chosen for a profession in wich you have to kill people and in wich you risk people. i think that's their choice, i am not going to hate them for it but i will not let one tear for a soldier KIA. it's one of the risks of the job. you don't weep for a cook who cuts his finger do you ... wel maybe YOU do house, if tom's the cook :p

[Taxman2A]

At 3/24/03 10:24 AM, SithLaird wrote: I'm a DEPS Marine,

What MOS are you going for?

[House-Of-Leaves]

At 3/24/03 01:19 PM, nimmer wrote:

At 3/22/03 04:46 AM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: Do NOT fall into the post-Viet Nam trend of hating the soldiers, or being bitter toward them.

Be anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-weapon, anti-ANYTHING.

Do not be anti-soldier. That's just closedminded and hurtful.

hey i'm soldier neutral. of course prolly they don't want to die and so BUT they still have chosen for a profession in wich you have to kill people and in wich you risk people. i think that's their choice, i am not going to hate them for it but i will not let one tear for a soldier KIA. it's one of the risks of the job. you don't weep for a cook who cuts his finger do you ... wel maybe YOU do house, if tom's the cook :p

*LMAO* Yeah, he's the cook, tho we switch off. And he HAS cut himself. Recently, too. Had to get stitches in his freakin' finger. CRACKED me up!

As for your position, nimmybaby, that's a good one. :) That's all we can really ask from anyone, I think is for neutrality instead of hatred for our soldiers. I haven't shed a tear yet, because I know, logically, that war will have casualties. I know that people will die, and war without bloodshed is impossible. I think more tears are shed by people who know fallen soldiers personally. If my cousin were to be KIA, I'd cry, for sure. But that's just because I'd miss him.

[Taxman2A]

At 3/24/03 01:19 PM, nimmer wrote: i think that's their choice, i am not going to hate them for it but i will not let one tear for a soldier KIA. it's one of the risks of the job. you don't weep for a cook who cuts his finger do you ... wel maybe YOU do house, if tom's the cook :p

Fair enough... in the oath we take we clearly state "I take this office without any reservation".
However, if you refuse to not shed a tear for a soldier who is killed in action, you had better not be shedding any tears for Police Officers who are shot making routine traffic stops, people who die horrific deaths at the hands of a malfunctioning aircraft, or even law abiding citizens who die in a car crash with a drunk driver- leaving their loved ones behind. Noone put a gun to these peoples' heads and made them take the risk, and they fully understood the inherent risk before they decided to do whatever it is that got them killed. Don't shed a tear, but remember when someone close to you dies at a tragically young age- noone made them do it.

[Darth-Buehler]

the iraqis are armed with guns, not sticks, even if they were, sticks can still hurt people...

esp. if the stick hits you in the eye.

AGH!