Japan should take out NK now!

[emmytee]

I mean seriously, they are within easy flying distance from NK and are the biggest enemy Kim Jong has in the region. As a non-nuclear power, japan still has a much more advanced millitary than Kim, but if he gets nukes into missles that superiority is gone. I say they try and strike a deal with China to let them take him out now.

[SirXVII]

Japan has a problem with that.

After WWII when the US whipped on them they sort of made them sign a new constitution (I think) that prevents them from enacting war. They can defend themselves in anyway shap form or fashion, but can't enact war.

[JoS]

The Japanese military is severely limited by Article 9 of the Japanese constitution which states: "The Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes" and that "land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained.

Source Wikipedia.

Japan maintains a self defense force, but could never successfully assault N Korea. N Korea has a huge military, and lets not forget the whole world teamed up to beat N Korea and tied them. Japan lacks alot of the units required to invade N Korea, especially marine units, and since japan is an island this presents a problem for them.

No tto mention any war with N Korea willr esult in the destruction of much of S Korea in the first few days from shelling. N Korea has set up thousands of of rockets along the border, while individual they would each only get off a few volleys before the US warplanes destroy them, their sheer numbers would destroy most of Souel and much of S Korea.

[Altarus]

It is a bad idea anyways. North Korea already has nukes. If you suddenly attack the regime, not only will they attack you with some of their nukes, but whatever is left over when the regime falls is up for grabs. You do not want nukes falling into the hands of vengeful warlords or worse. I think isolation is the only good way to deal with them right now

[Proteas]

At 10/11/06 01:57 PM, Altarus wrote: North Korea already has nukes.

SYDNEY, Oct 9 (Reuters) - North Korea's nuclear test on Monday might have been a "mini-nuke" explosion possibly as low as one kiloton, comparable to some small tests by India and Pakistan in 1998, scientists said on Monday.

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"A kiloton is a very low yield and would tend to suggest, I would have thought, that the device was not all they hoped it would be," Davies told Reuters.

"If a nuclear, plutonium bomb fizzles, you can still get one or two kilotons quite easily. You still get a significant energy release. But an efficient device will give you more like 20 (kilotons)."

North Korea doesn't have a nuclear bomb, it has a nuclear firecracker.

but whatever is left over when the regime falls is up for grabs.

You're running on the assumption that North Korea has vast stockpiles of Nuclear arms built up rivaling the The United State's own stockpile. There's no evidence to support that, and for all we know the one they set off on the 9th WAS their nuke.

I think isolation is the only good way to deal with them right now

Yeah, lets whip some more economic sanctions on them, I think they're people have grown a taste for eating dirt by now...

[ImmoralLibertarian]

At 10/11/06 02:19 PM, Proteas wrote: Yeah, lets whip some more economic sanctions on them, I think they're people have grown a taste for eating dirt by now...

I saw on the BBC today N. Korean school kids had to eat grass when their school ran out of food….which happened regularly.

So turn of phrase or not, you weren’t far off.

[Demosthenez]

Of course, the rational thing to do to a nuclear armed country is attack them. Especially an attack from a country without nuclear weapons. Smart.

At 10/11/06 10:56 AM, JoS wrote: N Korea has a huge military, and lets not forget the whole world teamed up to beat N Korea and tied them.

1) Long time ago
2) North Korea started the war and had a huge advantage on UN forces initially
3) Back then North Korea was the industralized part of Korea
4) 1,000,000 Chinese died in the war
5) Russia helped North Korea alot

Not relevant

[Dash-Underscore-Dash]

At 10/11/06 02:19 PM, Proteas wrote: North Korea doesn't have a nuclear bomb, it has a nuclear firecracker.

North Korea looks so cute with their mini-nukes. Awwww.

[ImmoralLibertarian]

Well, mini-nukes for a mini-dictator.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 10/11/06 03:17 PM, o-r-i-g-i-n-a-l wrote: Well, mini-nukes for a mini-dictator.

Serioulsy people, it's Korea.

How long has anything thats been made in Korea actually last before falling apart.

[ReiperX]

At 10/11/06 03:21 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 10/11/06 03:17 PM, o-r-i-g-i-n-a-l wrote: Well, mini-nukes for a mini-dictator.

Serioulsy people, it's Korea.

How long has anything thats been made in Korea actually last before falling apart.

Hyundais <sp> tend to actually last pretty well as a car. As my mechanic told me, they are made by Koreans, to be driven by Koreans, on Korean roads on Korean gas, they can take a decent beating.

[AndersonCouncil]

At 10/11/06 03:47 PM, sexualcrab wrote: They dont even have a real military! Just some gay ass defence force you fucking retard!

No need for name calling. You guys are shitting your pants over North Korea? Look at how many nukes Russia had, North Korea doesn't even have a real nuke.

and lawl at Kim Jong Il for having girl's name

[AndersonCouncil]

At 10/11/06 03:57 PM, sexualcrab wrote:

At 10/11/06 03:56 PM, KemCab wrote: Yeah, I am a fucking shithead.

Dont put yourself down like that man!

Because that hasn't been done a hundred times. Go back to the General Forum dumbass

[Dash-Underscore-Dash]

At 10/11/06 04:03 PM, sexualcrab wrote:

At 10/11/06 04:01 PM, AndersonCouncil wrote: Go back to the General Forum dumbass

Dude calm down it's not a big deal its just bullshitting that you see all over ng. The politics forum is no different but instead of saying they want buttsecks they say that bush sucks.

Shhh, the grown-ups are talking right now!

[Dash-Underscore-Dash]

At 10/11/06 04:08 PM, zeusman wrote:

At 10/11/06 04:06 PM, Dash-Underscore-Dash wrote: Shhh, the grown-ups are talking right now!

Lol there are no grown ups on this site silly! Just children trying to pretend to be!

He started it!

[SirLebowski]

At 10/11/06 03:17 PM, o-r-i-g-i-n-a-l wrote: Well, mini-nukes for a mini-dictator.

So much unrelenting craziness is such a little package.

[SolInvictus]

At 10/11/06 01:57 PM, Altarus wrote: It is a bad idea anyways. North Korea already has nukes.

how many nukes could they possibly have (if any). when the US built its first nukes it only had two capable of being used, we're talking about North Korea.

[JWaldGar]

Let's just hope that they test fire one of these things and blow themselves up, then the whole nuclear program is over. Anyways everyone is so shocked the NK has nuclear warheads, it's not like we dont have them.

[JWaldGar]

At 10/11/06 06:18 PM, chocolate-penguin wrote:

At 10/11/06 04:46 PM, Jwaldgar wrote: Let's just hope that they test fire one of these things and blow themselves up, then the whole nuclear program is over. Anyways everyone is so shocked the NK has nuclear warheads, it's not like we dont have them.

But we don't threaten to blow up the world.

If they blow up the world tho they'd be killing themselves through nuclear winter not even they are that dumb.... I Hope

[sdhonda]

They have never bothered to invade them since the Korean war because NK was backed by China and USSR. Indeed, the US/UN forces were never able to land the killing blow because China was by that point flooding the pennesula with soldiers.

Since the cold war ended, they havent bothered to go to war because China vetos any attempt to do so. Granted, China wont defend korea if war did break out (indeed, NK is now a headache to them, as china is now more interested in making money with the west), but they dont want a war starting there because it would distrupt stability in the region, and refugees would flood into manchuria. Same goes with japan and south korea, as if a war breaks out they are at risk of damage.

[Gunter45]

Even a 20 kiloton nuclear weapon is a moderate sized tactical nuke. Not even really viable in a strategic theater.

[cOnScRiPtRED]

Actually China hates them too. Anyways Japan doesnt have the money or forces to launch an all out war on Korea. (South Korea and US will shit kick them soon)

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 10/11/06 03:50 PM, KemCab wrote:

At 10/11/06 03:47 PM, sexualcrab wrote:

Why don't the Japanese just change their constitution? That way, they can have a real military presence in the East and North Korea and Japan can have their very own mini-Cold War.

Because we helped to install thier Constitution after WW2, and if they changed it without authority from us, they risk pissing us off, and maybe losing valuable defense from us.

You got to remember, Japan is a close as we get in Asia, there our biggest ally there. We benifit there, they benifit there, it's a mutual exchange.

[defactoidZERO]

Well, you shouldn't worry too much about Japan. I'm sure Sony already has some sort of digital, nuclear counter-measure, Metal Gear-type thingamajig in the works.

[defactoidZERO]

At 10/11/06 06:22 PM, Jwaldgar wrote: If they blow up the world tho they'd be killing themselves through nuclear winter not even they are that dumb.... I Hope

Knowing Kim, all that would matter to him is that he won.

[Steel-Reserve]

At 10/11/06 03:21 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

How long has anything thats been made in Korea actually last before falling apart?

One word--nailclippers :)

[JWaldGar]

At 10/12/06 01:57 AM, defactoidZERO wrote:

At 10/11/06 06:22 PM, Jwaldgar wrote: If they blow up the world tho they'd be killing themselves through nuclear winter not even they are that dumb.... I Hope

Knowing Kim, all that would matter to him is that he won.

I got to tell you i laffed after reading that, but i guess no rebuttle your right

[Teutonic]

No the us is doing right what they need to be doing and thats waiting and being patient with other outcomes, it will all unfold soon enough.

[AndersonCouncil]

North Korea has stated that any sanctions against them will be taken as an act of war. So what are people to do anyway?

[sdhonda]

At 10/12/06 01:55 AM, defactoidZERO wrote: Well, you shouldn't worry too much about Japan. I'm sure Sony already has some sort of digital, nuclear counter-measure, Metal Gear-type thingamajig in the works.

But how much is it?