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At 10/10/06 05:45 PM, RageVI wrote:

Take your time and write a sincere review for every movie you wish to critique. Make sure your review is relative to the submission. Reviews that are found to offer no benefit to the author maybe deleted.

Unhelpful reviews can definitely be against the rules, but it does not list any requirement for review length. This makes sense, since a short rewiew could be useful to the author.

If I was a review moderator, I'd go by the thought of that there are people who give all ten reviews on submissions that they are connected to via a group or such.

As for "Armor Gays Faggot Contest" by Dizzy-D, a member called Gavin reviewed it like this:

Amazing!

I must say, this is the best game I have ever played. The graphics were amazing first of all, and the gameplay was incredible!

I got to level 43, anyone beat that?

(He gave it all ten).

This is Gavin's profile, and you can obviously see that he isn't a legit reviewer.

For one, that submission was not a game with 43 levels, since it was a fake pre-loader.

Reviewers like that are only one kind I'd ban.

falcon176 made a similar review:

lmao

hillarious

(Also here, giving it all tens).

On a side note, this submission first got the "Turd of the Week" award, but can now be found in the Newgrounds Graveyard.

However, these aren't all. The submission got loads of reviews like that one, as for most of the groups' submissions.

However, this is a review that's a bit more covered and not obviously (but in fact) a "promotion" review.

By Handsome

Accidentally clicked "Post It!". Anyways:

At 10/10/06 06:04 PM, Andersson wrote: By Handsome

By HandsomePete:

Hey...

I played for about 3 hours, but I could never find the Wizard's Key... where was it?

At 10/10/06 06:27 PM, RageVI wrote: Similar to what I feel about the second to last review, this review could also be useful to the author. If you're making a game, it is good to get feedback on where people had too much trouble. If many people encountered the same problem, then you'd know you're better off making changes.

What I'm on about is that it was a fake pre-loader.

These members wrote such reviews to make people believe that the submission was working aswell as good, though it was infact nothing more than a pre-loader.

At 10/10/06 06:32 PM, Andersson wrote:

At 10/10/06 06:27 PM, RageVI wrote: Similar to what I feel about the second to last review, this review could also be useful to the author. If you're making a game, it is good to get feedback on where people had too much trouble. If many people encountered the same problem, then you'd know you're better off making changes.

What I'm on about is that it was a fake pre-loader.

These members wrote such reviews to make people believe that the submission was working aswell as good, though it was infact nothing more than a pre-loader.

Are you talking about the kind of fake preloader to a movie where it takes over five minutes to load, and once it is done, it just starts over again or a message once comes up once the movie loads, saying "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL NO MOOVEE FUR YOO!!!!!!!111!!!11!1!2"

Oh don't worry, I make sure a review is abusive before flagging, that's why I have this new shiny gold whistle.

; BOOYAH!

At 10/10/06 06:39 PM, ColonelRoyMustang wrote: Oh don't worry, I make sure a review is abusive before flagging, that's why I have this new shiny gold whistle.

; BOOYAH!

All I see is a silver whistle.

At 10/10/06 05:01 PM, RageVI wrote:

Title: !!Osama Bin Dumbshit!!!
Overall Rating: 10/10

Summary: I know what you feel like
Review: My uncle was a block away from the trade towers when they fell. I feel your pain, and I salute your uncle and you.

I say that is abusive...really, it has absolutely nothing to do with the submission itself, other than the fact that he discusses the trade towers. Not that it is really offensive or rude, but does it really serve the purpose that a review is there to serve? To help the author improve the movie?

I do have one small question for you Rage.

I've seen a lot of reviews on the Jerry Jackson flashes speaking pretty much all in 1337 code and some crazy spelling like "LAWLZ DIS WUZ GREAT JERRY JACKSON IZ GAWD!" and never though of flagging those cause i would figure it went along with what Jerry Jackson was all about flash wise and how funny it was,would reviews like that be considered flagable even if it isn't technically abusive but just stupid.

I admit I've flagged some that aren't abusive but only by mistake. I think some just think if it has the curse words/foul language or 'the movie is shit' it's automatically abusive.

Hey Rage, I got a question. When I'm writing a review, there's a screen somewhere or other asking me be helpful if I'm criticising it. But I see tons of reviews where people just say, 'this sucked', 'what a piece of shit' etc. Should those be flagged?

I agree...
I think some times stuff hurts other ppl
the focus of the abusive is just what he said

At 10/11/06 02:20 AM, Britkid wrote: Should those be flagged?

If they are describing why 'said flash' is a "piece of shit" then no it's not abusive.

Example:

"Man, what a piece of shit."

"The graphics were terrible, especially the characters faces. You should take more time when you are drawing them to make them look a lot better. The sound wasn't good either, it was crap. It didn't suit the movie at all, cheerful music with a hack n' slash style flash? Not to mention there was WAY too much violence for my tastes and way too much swearing. Decent story line but the faces, bad choice of music and too much violence and curse words made this flash really suck. Sorry, but it's not good at all."

I never really had that problem flagging I would read my reviews before I flag them. But some people as you stated flag review just because they see something like 0:64 and most of those review where before the Whistle system came to NG. Oh and thanks for the thread rage it helped me way before the system change ^_^

I've been deleting and banning within the past month, with a few exceptions. If you left a crap review starting 10/01/06, watch out!

I have to agree with Rage though, I'm seeing a LOT of reviews flagged as ABUSIVE that are not abusive.

Look at more than the score, and how many flags a submission has. I cannot tell you the number of times I have seen a review with a rating of 14/42 on a review that was 0/10 with constructive criticism. OVERALL SCORE OF 0 =! ABUSIVE REVIEW!

At 10/11/06 02:44 AM, Maus wrote: I've been deleting and banning within the past month, with a few exceptions. If you left a crap review starting 10/01/06, watch out!

I have to agree with Rage though, I'm seeing a LOT of reviews flagged as ABUSIVE that are not abusive.

Look at more than the score, and how many flags a submission has. I cannot tell you the number of times I have seen a review with a rating of 14/42 on a review that was 0/10 with constructive criticism. OVERALL SCORE OF 0 =! ABUSIVE REVIEW!

Isn't it obvious.

Anyone could have really seen this coming the second after Wade made the thread that he fixed the Whistle bug for many others getting Gold and Deity whistle levels but a lot of others going down to Normal,Bronze and even staying at Silver.

So everyone thinks it will be much more easier to get whistle points with that and especially since points we're to be given much more often with the review mods' ability to delete reviews themselves now.

Also them seeing any cuss words or anything remotely close to being abusive but it really isn't also seeing like a 0/7 they automaticly flag it,they don't actually read the whole review and make absolute sure that it's breaking any rules.

Jerry Jackson flash reviews done in 'Jerry speak' I leave alone. They are generally okay.

Useless reviews...if I investigate their reviews, and find 'tons and tons of crappy reviews just to get high in the rankings' then I will delete all their worthless recent reviews and ban the user.

Review abuse goes both ways. We've seen the system abused for the purpose of winning Review Crew in the manner of: flag anything low scoring as abusive while leaving all ten reviews.

I know that questioning the flash being on the front page is abusive since it violates the 8th review guideline, but is it abusive to question why a flash has a high score (I've seen a few shitty movies with a score of at least a 4) or why it's in the top 50?

Would it also be abusive if a fanboy gave all 10s and stated in the review that he didn't even watch it and voted 5 anyway?

At 10/10/06 05:20 PM, Brandon53 wrote: Yeah speaking of which why did I have a review removed for a comment I made 7 months ago?

Oh. It's you.

I've deleted most of those. Most of your older reviews were either useless or downright abusive.

Lots of people will be getting PMs about flashes deleted all the way back to '00.

At 10/11/06 03:16 AM, Metrackle wrote: is it abusive to question why a flash has a high score (I've seen a few shitty movies with a score of at least a 4) or why it's in the top 50?

Yes, if they review how others voted, that doesn't focus on the flash.

Would it also be abusive if a fanboy gave all 10s and stated in the review that he didn't even watch it and voted 5 anyway?

Absolutely. NG wants to promote honest reviews, not mindless crap. HOWEVER - If its just some idiot that REALLY LIEKS IT OMG!!11 but they weren't obliviously saying they didn't watch it, just mark as unhelpful.

who does this asshole think he is!! (omg jk forgive me!!!)

would these statements cut it?

"blam this piece of crap!!!"
"this is crap all of it!"
"horrible, give up on flash"
"I'll come ot your house and kill you"
"never make flash again"

Sometimes people just flag as soo as they see the top title saying somthing like "wtf is this" or "crap" and even "horrble"

Very often I get some of the stupidest reviews that simply do not even contribute their opinion well, but try to ask me a question or be smartass.

http://www.newground..m/portal/view/308399
(latest review by Mario-Hero-15)

It simply says "Good movie" in the title and goes on to comment on how I respond to my reviews, which is completely irrilivent to the submission at hand, and then gives a smart assed 0 dispite his like of the movie.

Movies like this, aside from the fact they're trying to be smartasses need rules against, comments and questions for the author and not the submission at hand NEED to be banned, we have a fucking PM system for this!

At 10/10/06 06:37 PM, RageVI wrote: Ah, alright. I thought you moved on to a different topic for some reason.

Oh, no I didn't. I see how you could misunderstand it though.

That review would be unrelated and useless and should be flagged and deleted. At least in my opinion, since it has nothing to do with the actual submission itself.

Yeah, exactly. But I am not sure that the review moderators always are aware of the real reason to why a review was flagged, which is probably another reason to why I only have a silver whistle... =/

Eh that's too light for them, people who flag shit for no reason should have there account removed.

At 10/10/06 06:43 PM, milinko959 wrote: . Not that it is really offensive or rude, but does it really serve the purpose that a review is there to serve? To help the author improve the movie?

That means it isn't helpful, then.

I actually read the guidelines, you couldn't believe the number of "WTF!?!?! BLAM DIS!!!!" reviews everyday appear.

PS: I got review banned long ago for no reason whatsoerver, I wanna know.

Oh wonderful more past posts deleted, what fucking mindless 12 year old is going thru reviews from months ago to dig up dirt on people?