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At 3/23/03 12:41 PM, daRiCa wrote: so because canada refuses to get involved in a war, that makes them terrorists? look how many ppl in the u.s. are protesting! look how many are anti-war! look how many ppl post here that want the war to end! so does canada! personally i think that supporting the u.s. is only gonna make the war last longer. canada has helped them in the past - canada and the u.s. are very close. Chretien said that canada is going to help the u.s. with supporting the iraki people after the war, which i think is amazing. i do think that it should be a country's choice whether or not they want to get involved in the war, since it has nothing to do with any other country except the u.s. and irak. canada already said they are going to help in their own way, so its not like were shutting away from the u.s. completely. i definately do not think you should call them terrorists.

So true.
1. Opposing war does not make people terrorists, in any way.
2. The United States' people are protesting. Not only opposing, but protesting, and that means not only simply not liking the war, but it means strongly opposing the war. If you only had simple thoughts against the war you would just talk to your friends about it, not go into the trouble of all that.
3. If opposing war means being terrorists, you're country's full of them. Many of your friends may be "terrorists" (note quotes) as well.
4. U.S. is already way more powerful, why do they need help against Iraq?
5. We're supporting the people of those countries after the war, and that's, I guess, cleaning all the mess made by the war.
6. We stuck up for you in many times, and we don't even get our names mentioned in the list of "thank you"s from your country.
7. Your country's not stupid, the idea of any country that opposes a war that your country starts is stupid.

THANK YOU daRiCa.

Canada: Weak, Pathetic, Useless

At 3/23/03 12:44 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Look, 9/11 is the fault of Canada's indifference to anything outside their own borders, and anyone who disputes that is a fool.

Canada sucks, they're a meaningless scarecrow state, case closed.

So being a peace country sucks? Not starting any wars, and not having half as many enemies as the United States sucks? BTW how are we gonna keep terrorists out of your country? Terrorists come in as anyone... omg so you're gonna be a racist bitch at the border, and say "you're a fuckin arab, go home", to every person who crosses? Those terrorists come to your country armed with nothing, so we can't use anything against them. We can't check people's documents, which is all they have. If we do, they would use E-mail, or fax. It wasn't our border's fault, it was your airport security's fault if it was anyone's, but which airport would check for those utility knives before knowing what happened on 9/11? Stop posting bullshit here. It's the first time something like that happened, there's noone bo blame. Again, I'm not calling your country stupid, but I'm saying that what you're saying is.

At 3/23/03 09:25 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Canada: Weak, Pathetic, Useless

Idiots like this who waste people's time by talking bullshit and not even knowing what you're talking about: idiotic, pathetic, useless. And, maybe weak - knowledge is power, man. Do some more thinking before you post here. That last sentence there in this post isn't a diss, it's a suggestion.

Note how Canada has not mattered in Continental, let alone Global politics since the 1800's.

Stop defending your country, everyone knows Canada is just USA Lite.

At 3/23/03 12:50 PM, TheShrike wrote: Actually, the US and Canada are about as close as two allies can be.

And of course we'd protect Canada, and they should expect it. It is, afterall, in our best interests to keep unfriendly forces out of our back yard. Just because Canada didn't go marching down the warpath doesn't mean Canada is anti-american. Just because they don't screen as thoroughly for terrorists at the borders doesn't mean they're anti-american. Mr Y is right. It isn't Canada's responsibility to screen those who want to leave Canada for the US. That's our responsibility.

Damn... I didn't leave myself any room for a Canadian joke...

Yeah, exactly. "And of course we'd protect Canada" - I'd take it from that that you're American. See? A smart American who's with me on this. Canada and the United States are kind of like bro's, we didn't fight for such a long time, after we established our countries.

NEMESISZ, I had respect for you and all in NG BBS, but what you've started in this topic was pretty stupid. Dude, you gotta put more thought into your opinions.

The main function of a democratic government, is to accurately represent the masses who elected them (as theres too many people for us to all be in the government) so Chretien has no choice but to politically oppose the war, because that is seemingly the feeling of canadians, or at least everyone I know. There was actually a riot, or the canadian equivalent in the capital of alberta because our premier sent a letter to the US consulate saying that canadians really supported the war, Chretien was just bullshitting.

Your respect is the least of my worries. The USA is threatened, and all canada can do is say "lets put in some inspectors, eh?"

At 3/23/03 09:42 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Note how Canada has not mattered in Continental, let alone Global politics since the 1800's.

Stop defending your country, everyone knows Canada is just USA Lite.

Man, I wasn't defending my country because it's mine, I'm defending it because I don't agree what you said. Note I said nothing offending about your country. I'm saying that I don't agree with what you're saying here. No, I'm not pointlessly arguing, note that I'm not using any simple denials to facts without backing them up - that kind of stuff doesn't belong in the politics forum.

I have an older American cousin in a small town near Boston, MA. I'm sure that he'll agree with me on this one, and many of his friends, since I got to know them.

And no, we're not exactly USA lite, we just supported you on many things (excluding this war on Iraq), to keep the alliance - you've been helping us too by protecting our country. That's mostly only for geographical reasons. Otherwise, we're just another developed country.

At 3/23/03 09:58 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Your respect is the least of my worries. The USA is threatened, and all canada can do is say "lets put in some inspectors, eh?"

The Canadian "eh" joke... lol... yeah, joking around is fine, since I don't want to get to serious into this...

...but don't you think that the people of Iraq are threatened? Saddam is a crazy maniac, I wouldn't care if he was captured, or killed, in any of these two ways, Iraq benefits, but what about the civilians you will kill, and the pawns you lose in the process, already counting from now? What about the low-ranked soldiers in Iraq, who may be forced into war against their will, and not given the option of surrendering, since they would probably be terminated in friendly fire once they try?

Sure, we can understand why you're threatened after 9-11, and we help you (without getting our country's name credited), but we're not going with you on the war with Iraq. Note that we're not going trying to stop you from blowing up Iraq, we're just not helping you. There's a big difference there. Is Ottawa or Toronto getting nuked? No! We're lucky not to have someone like you controlling the United States.

At 3/23/03 09:58 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Your respect is the least of my worries. The USA is threatened, and all canada can do is say "lets put in some inspectors, eh?"

It takes alot more fortitude and intelligence to try and solve something in a civil manner, rather than just shooting and asking questions later. Canada is a country beloved by every country and peoples of the world. When was the last time you saw or ever heard of someone burning a Canadian flag? At least when I travel, I don't have to lie about my nationality so as not to get shot in the forehead.

At 3/23/03 10:36 PM, Ruination wrote:

At 3/23/03 09:58 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Your respect is the least of my worries. The USA is threatened, and all canada can do is say "lets put in some inspectors, eh?"

It takes alot more fortitude and intelligence to try and solve something in a civil manner, rather than just shooting and asking questions later. Canada is a country beloved by every country and peoples of the world. When was the last time you saw or ever heard of someone burning a Canadian flag? At least when I travel, I don't have to lie about my nationality so as not to get shot in the forehead.

i read in a pole that canadians are considered by other countries as some of the nicest ppl in the world. I agree with what u say ruination. but i think everyone thinking about writing a post about how canada sucks or how america sucks should pause for a second. what good is it doing? we just start hating each other. and does it really matter what canada does to help the u.s.? would that really make a huge impact? maybe, but we'll never know. the war is on. there's no turning back now. i think there are more important things to talk about rather than which country is better.

Apparently none of you saw the report of the HUGE CHEMICAL WEAPONS FACTORY the forces captured a few hours ago, which the UN inspectors knew NOTHING ABOUT.

War was the only option.

At 3/23/03 11:26 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Apparently none of you saw the report of the HUGE CHEMICAL WEAPONS FACTORY the forces captured a few hours ago, which the UN inspectors knew NOTHING ABOUT.

War was the only option.

your right. war was the only option. what a sad, sad world we live in.

At 3/23/03 10:36 PM, Ruination wrote: It takes alot more fortitude and intelligence to try and solve something in a civil manner, rather than just shooting and asking questions later. Canada is a country beloved by every country and peoples of the world. When was the last time you saw or ever heard of someone burning a Canadian flag? At least when I travel, I don't have to lie about my nationality so as not to get shot in the forehead.

Yeah, that's true. When was the last time someone wanted to start anything with us? I've heard that many Americans traveling to the Middle East carry a Canadian flag to be on the safe side and speak American English, which is pretty close to Canadian English, without (trying to) fake a British accent. In the movies, I'm sure almost anyone would (I would) wish it would play into the firefights and explosions fast, with less talk, but when it involves civilian lives, I'm not sure about that, and neither is Canada. We have the right to our opinion, as long as it doesn't offend another country.

When was the last time someone wanted to start anything with us? I've heard that many Americans traveling to the Middle East carry a Canadian flag to be on the safe side and speak American English, which is pretty close to Canadian English, without (trying to) fake a British accent. In movies, I'm sure almost anyone would (I would) wish it would go into the firefights, and explosions fast, with less talk, but when it involves civilian lives, I'm not sure about that, and neither is Canada. We have the right to our opinion, as long as it doesn't offend another country.

The U.S. can go ahead in their strike, noone's halting them yet. People are hating your country and your people, but that's totally something else that's not related enough for me to talk about, since in Canada, we don't hate you (well, most of us don't), we just disagree with you.

I'm sure that if they start going too far and doing too much damage to the world, Bush would no longer be a president, or another country (or countries) might take action - and I don't think Canada will be on the list of the countries attacking you first. We're not that strong, but we do have the power to support any strong country, or countries, that goes against you - but even with that, I don't think we'll be doing that, even if the chances are on those countries' side.

We should be the least of the States' worries. We may be weaker, but even if we became the deciding vote for either taking you down or letting you be, we're the last country to ever turn against you (of course, unless if you start attacking us, which I doubt will ever happen without us doing anything to you guys).

So, in conclusion, don't make a big deal saying "OMG Canada doesn't agree with us for once, those bitches - what do they think they are." - remember, we're just disagreeing with you (for once), with many of the other countries that are doing the same. Making fun of Canadians just for fun of it is fine, I put up with that, we do that to your guys up here too, not really trying to offend, but picking on us for just disagreeing, calling us terrorists for that, and blaming us for 9-11 is just totally wrong. We've done nothing against you guys (I repeated that for probably the 100th time).

You guys say the same stuff all the time...and it's never worth reading...time to go.

At 3/23/03 11:35 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: You guys say the same stuff all the time...and it's never worth reading...time to go.

wow, nemesisz doesn't hav a comeback! way 2 go mr_y! oh and seriously, if u think this stuff isn't worth reading, why do u continuously read and respond to these posts? if u don't think our opinion's valid, then why do u try and stuff yours down our throats? its freedom of speech, and i totally respect anything u have to say and i think u should say it loud and clear. but that also means that we can say something too.

At 3/23/03 11:26 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Apparently none of you saw the report of the HUGE CHEMICAL WEAPONS FACTORY the forces captured a few hours ago, which the UN inspectors knew NOTHING ABOUT.

War was the only option.

I guess you're right there. War was the only option to get the chemical weapons from Saddam - who would know what Saddam would do with those weapons if he was allowed to keep them? Even without that factory, the States knew that he had the weapons, since the U.S. (way back, when you guys were against Iran) decided to help them and give them those weapons, I think - not sure, but even if that's not true, everyone knew he had them since the gulf war, and he did not give proof of them getting disarmed.

So, there's weapons there, and I do not think the U.S. made a wrong decision by sending the big guns in, but I still support Canada's decision to remain neutral, since Canada was not the #1 target on Saddam's enemy list. I guess not making enemies is a pretty good choice too - since if they're against us, they don't hate us nearly as enough as they hate the States. You're in a different country, so I would expect your country to have different feelings about Saddam's weapons - you have a better reason to attack Iraq than us.

At 3/23/03 11:35 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: You guys say the same stuff all the time...and it's never worth reading...time to go.

l8r, nice debating with you. Just want to let you know that I wasn't dead serious about this thing, I just didn't like your opinion about Canada.

At 3/23/03 11:44 PM, daRiCa wrote: wow, nemesisz doesn't hav a comeback! way 2 go mr_y! oh and seriously, if u think this stuff isn't worth reading, why do u continuously read and respond to these posts? if u don't think our opinion's valid, then why do u try and stuff yours down our throats? its freedom of speech, and i totally respect anything u have to say and i think u should say it loud and clear. but that also means that we can say something too.

Yeah, the freedom of speech. Gotta love it, whether you're in the United States or Canada. :D

Canada is opposed to war, we believed a diplomatic solution was viable.

We have not condemned America's action, nor do we hate you. We simply have a difference in opinion.

Canada has remianed commited to you as an ally, we have sent 2000 troops to help in afganistan. We are also leading mission "Apollo," which is a mission in the war on terrorism.

We are still your friends, we have nothing against you, we just disagree with you on this one issure.

That is all

NEMESIS GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!
Anyways canadians helped alot after 9/11. Where do you think all the red cross blood come from huh. Yep you guessed Canada. Im with canada.(and america) And i don't think the canadians have a weak army. They don't have as many troops or weopens as us. But they can help defend. And they will probly help rebuild Iraq or put in money. Stop dissing them they are americas biggest trade economy. And Nemesis is just a plane jerk.

1. Learn to spell
2. Where the hell did you come from? Is it open-mic night for jackasses today?

NEMESISZ IS A BITCH

At 3/24/03 11:51 PM, dylan659 wrote: NEMESISZ IS A BITCH

OMG I CONCEDE UR TEH CAMPION DEB8R

At 3/23/03 09:42 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Note how Canada has not mattered in Continental, let alone Global politics since the 1800's.

Stop defending your country, everyone knows Canada is just USA Lite.

It's too bad we had to read such banter from an uninformed wanker.

I was fortunate to meet many from the Canadian Forces during my time in the USAF. These men and women remain in my fond memories while we were all involved in sharing resources, working towards the same effort. I even had the opportunity to ride along on a flight to Canadian Air Station Alert. I can only speak highly of the canadians I know. If there ever was a Canadian problem it would be those in Quebec that pretend they can't speak English.

HAHAHA, the Air Force is a JOKE. Real pilots fly in the marines, or at least the navy, sorry pal, but I didn't even read past "USAF."

At 3/25/03 12:23 AM, NEMESiSZ wrote: HAHAHA, the Air Force is a JOKE. Real pilots fly in the marines, or at least the navy, sorry pal, but I didn't even read past "USAF."

Back up your opinion. Your childish arrogance isn't a position.

Back it up? It's not like they say that on the website, I'm just relying on the amount of work each force gets, and what people in all three have told me.

At 3/25/03 12:20 AM, shak3s wrote: It's too bad we had to read such banter from an uninformed wanker.

I was fortunate to meet many from the Canadian Forces during my time in the USAF. These men and women remain in my fond memories while we were all involved in sharing resources, working towards the same effort. I even had the opportunity to ride along on a flight to Canadian Air Station Alert. I can only speak highly of the canadians I know. If there ever was a Canadian problem it would be those in Quebec that pretend they can't speak English.

Hehehe you've been to Alert? Damn, must be so fuckin freezing there - Most northern point in Canada. If you went in the winter, oh man, you must've suffered. Even down in southern Canada in Toronto, this winter, it was so cold, OMG.