Aaah... the dying gasps...

[Dig-the-Man]

As the deadline draws near, the last dying gasps of anti-war protesters can be heard from near and far. They claimed the moral and ethical high ground before understanding the real, potential threat that the “coalition of the willing” now seeks to destroy. D2KVirus prepares a final speech where his words will echo with hollow rhetoric, and the lackeys that listen will echo in response those same hollow words.

The time is now, Saddam will hopefully, soon be dead. Perhaps also, it will be revealed that France, Germany, and the thousands that fell in love with the droning of the anti-war song will be shown the weapons of mass-destruction. If I am wrong then so be it, but when the first SCUD hits Israel and spills it’s toxic contents, I will be both sad and happy…. For knowing I am right, and confirming the ignorance of the world.

[panik]

You preach the truth brother :-)

[clownfish]

You're pretty sure of yourself aren't you? I agree that France, Russia and Germany aren't great at all, but they have the veto right for a reason: When America starts doing what she wants, and wants to drag the UN into it. Face it, the US is entirely out of line, and the only reason the other states followed the US in the UN is because they fear an embargo. The reason only those states spoke up was because their export and import is strong enough to handle the impact of a US embargo. Of course Bush wouldn't call it an embargo, but that's exactly what it means.

[Dig-the-Man]

At 3/19/03 03:59 PM, clownfish wrote: You're pretty sure of yourself aren't you?

Yes I am.

Face it, the US is entirely out of line...

Not entirely...

and the only reason the other states followed the US in the UN is because they fear an embargo. The reason only those states spoke up was because their export and import is strong enough to handle the impact of a US embargo.

What about Canada then whose economy is solely dependant on the United States. Or perhaps you may have forgotten. This is not an unjust war... what is unjust is preventing Iraqi people from having the fullest lives possible. Let them taste democracy, and if they find it bitter or sour, then let them turn back to their old ways. But give the people a chance, because I like the taste of freedom which is the honey of democracy!

[clownfish]

Sorry Canadians, but: The country has never taken very logical steps...Even though this proves nothing, everything has an exception. You sound like a real patriot, but this situation wasn't about certain countries being against war with Iraq, it is about certain countries saying America should give the UN weapons inspectors more time to do their job. But noooooooooo... Bush and his lackeys want war, and they want it now! So instead of waiting for the support of the UN, they attack on theirselves... What is the use of the UN when Bush can do what he damn well wants?

[TheShrike]

I still oppose the war.

Pre-emptive war....

Where's the damn Listerine??

Although I reserve the right to change my opinions. And if all of the following contions are met:
1) WMD found
2) WMD/Bio used
3) Iraqi people cheer on US troops all over Iraq
4) At least half of the Iraqi military surrenders
I will retract my opinion, and consider the idea that this war was a good idea. And I will take back every bad thing I ever said about George Part II.

Well, maybe not the second part...

I won't change my mind for 1 out of 4. Or 2 out of 4. Or 3 out of 4.

Why?

Pre-emptive war...

It smacks of something Hitler would say.

And I also reserve the right to continue making fun of France no matter what the outcome is. (Should I just call it le Freedom?)

[Dig-the-Man]

At 3/19/03 04:14 PM, clownfish wrote: this situation wasn't about certain countries being against war with Iraq, it is about certain countries saying America should give the UN weapons inspectors more time to do their job.

The weapons inspectors have had since 1991 to finish the job they started... still waiting!

What is the use of the UN when Bush can do what he damn well wants?

Well, in case you didn't already know, there are other problems in the world right now, albeit that most of them are not as important as the looming war on Iraq. There are humanitarian contributions that the UN makes to children living poverty (thus the orange UNICEF box that goes around during Halloween). As well, the United Nations Development Programme provides money for the creation of water wells, and electrical grids. There are many things the United Nations does; you just have to look past the ignorance. That is not to suggest that you are ignorant however.

[Dig-the-Man]

At 3/19/03 04:23 PM, TheShrike wrote: Although I reserve the right to change my opinions. And if all of the following contions are met:
1) WMD found

1991, Anthrax and other lethal weapons banned by the international community found. 2003, just disappeared with no trace...

2) WMD/Bio used

Wait for it...

3) Iraqi people cheer on US troops all over Iraq

Probably not going to happen but here is hoping.

4) At least half of the Iraqi military surrenders

Could be possible, how big is Iraq's army again, because only 17 have surrender thus far...

And I will take back every bad thing I ever said about George Part II.

George Bush Jr, is still a war monger regardless of the fact I support war. I think Bush is finishing daddy's old grudge....

[clownfish]

Thank you for not calling me ignorant, else I would have to get personal, and I don't like that. By the way, what I meant was, that America decides what will happen eventually, anyway the UN inspecters were supposed to do their jobs since '91, but they were hardly active until recently, when the US wanted results, so why did the US wait for so long?. And The person responsible for 9/11 was not Saddam, but OBL, so why should the US start a campaign against Iraq right now?
Haven't you noticed that up until the fall of the twins noone gave a shit about the supressed Iraqi's? Even though Saddam deserves to die, America's motives are not that just, it's just a vengeance action.

[Dig-the-Man]

At 3/19/03 04:42 PM, clownfish wrote: Thank you for not calling me ignorant, else I would have to get personal, and I don't like that.

Neither do I. This is a political forum a name calling is not an option for me.... except I like to take pokes at D2K

The person responsible for 9/11 was not Saddam, but OBL, so why should the US start a campaign against Iraq right now?

One wonders whether or not a pre-emptive strike against OBL would have prevented 9/11?

Haven't you noticed that up until the fall of the twins noone gave a shit about the supressed Iraqi's?Even though Saddam deserves to die.

People gave a shit about suppressed people around the world in general, hence Amnesty International, but nothing does it like a little bit of American propaganda and a Republican president....

And yes, Saddam deserves to die...

[clownfish]

Well, Bush's period started in 2000, and he didn't do anything about Saddam, even though Saddam was the same asshole he is now. One thing's for sure, I used the Desert Storm stock anology and made about 500 euro's. You see, the analogy is, that when war is certain, the Dow Jones will drastically drop, but when war is about to begin, it will skyrocket until it has reached a point bear the point it started dropping. I'm afraid I'll have to leave now, the school will really have my ass if I come late again. Wouldn't the world be a better place if instead of wars, there were freefights between world leaders? Bush and Cheney vs Saddam and one of his sons, that would be one to tape... Well, goodbye.

[NJDeadzone]

At 3/19/03 05:00 PM, clownfish wrote: Well, Bush's period started in 2000, and he didn't do anything about Saddam

Not just Saddam, all of the Middle East, he was practically isolationist and it cost him dearly. He had a horseshoe up his ass is first year as President, remember the spy-plane incident?

[Slizor]

I'm still anti-war, I will change my view if the following conditions are met:
1) Iraq is rebuilt into a democracy.
2) Iraq is rebuilt.
3) The Iraqi people are given freedom.

Since we all know this will never happen...I think I can safely say that I won't change my views.

[TheShrike]

hmmm...
add those to my list.

[TheShrike]

1) True
2) False (at least I haven't heard it was used.. anyone care to comment?)
3) True (although it's not what we expected.)
4) Close enough. True.
additions (see Slizor's post)
5)... Time will tell
6)... Time will tell
7)... Time will tell

So... all in all, Just one more to go before I stick my foot in my mouth. Let's hope that doesn't happen.

I am a reasonable person. And I'm sure my posts have shown as this conflict drags on, I am more and more pro-war.

*sigh*

[Commander-K25]

At 3/19/03 05:21 PM, Slizor wrote: I'm still anti-war, I will change my view if the following conditions are met:
1) Iraq is rebuilt into a democracy.
2) Iraq is rebuilt.
3) The Iraqi people are given freedom.

Since we all know this will never happen...I think I can safely say that I won't change my views.

Even is the above conditions are met, you'll find some way or technicality to get around them and say 'now they weren't, so there. Hah!' This is what many protestors will be doing in the near future.

[Jonas]

At 3/19/03 03:50 PM, Dig_the_Man wrote:

:stuff

Come on, the antiwar movement won't die until there isn't war. And the big3 vetos are there for a reason which seems to escape the higher ups.

[karasz]

At 3/19/03 04:06 PM, Dig_the_Man wrote:

At 3/19/03 03:59 PM, clownfish wrote: You're pretty sure of yourself aren't you?

Yes I am.

if there were no wmds, and i was right i would be doin the same stuff u are...

Face it, the US is entirely out of line...

Not entirely...

dig u are correct

and the only reason the other states followed the US in the UN is because they fear an embargo. The reason only those states spoke up was because their export and import is strong enough to handle the impact of a US embargo.

umm... an embargo would fuck the US economy also; so lets not forget about that

What about Canada then whose economy is solely dependant on the United States. Or perhaps you may have forgotten. This is not an unjust war... what is unjust is preventing Iraqi people from having the fullest lives possible. Let them taste democracy, and if they find it bitter or sour, then let them turn back to their old ways. But give the people a chance, because I like the taste of freedom which is the honey of democracy!

i take it you are all for removing all dictators RIGHT dig? personally so am i... so i suggest after the mid-east is rid of their dictators would u suggest africa or asia to be next? personally i think africa would probably be easiest to liberate their people...

after all u do want all peoples to taste the honey of democracy after all... too bad the only that can happen is at the blood of american soliders... oh well at least the populations of those african nations noone can name will be free...