We Americans agreed: Torture is ok

[Nylo]

Hey world, we Americans have settled on a national referendum ok-ing torture! See, it's cuz we love the t.v show 24. We love Jack Bauer!

Disregard the absence of emotion in the eyes; that's just the mark of the darkside.

[goozebump]

At 10/1/06 04:08 AM, Nylo wrote: Hey world, we Americans have settled on a national referendum ok-ing torture! See, it's cuz we love the t.v show 24. We love Jack Bauer!

The funny thing is thats not far from the truth.

[JerkClock]

I say fuck the geneva convention anyway. I never saw a point in not torturing people who torture us. And don't give me that "be a better person" BS, that's a sorry ass excuse.

[maf10986]

yeah, but the fact still remains torturing people doesnt make them give you information i would rather them just execute PoWs because thats what they do to our PoWs

[JerkClock]

Who says they have to use it for interrogation? These sick fucks should be tortured just for their hostile and ruthless ways.

[maf10986]

heh i think they should bring back the guillotine and do it live all over middle eastern TV

[JerkClock]

It would be too quick and painless. The way they behead is much more brutal than the guillatine.

[WolvenBear]

At 10/1/06 05:12 AM, maf10986 wrote: yeah, but the fact still remains torturing people doesnt make them give you information i would rather them just execute PoWs because thats what they do to our PoWs

Yea, it kinda does. Our own military tells soldiers to only give their name and number (mainly in the hopes that the interrogator will get frustrated and give up). But if torture is used thae army knows it's soldiers will crack and give up and information they know. Which is why a POW that has been rescued loses security clearance. It is already assumed that they have been tortured (and have thereby given up anything they know).

Torture broke Khaled Sheikh Mohammed and gave us valued info. It works.

[SupaReaper]

As long as you don't force them to watch olod rerun's of "full House" its ok.

Nobody deserves that punishment

[Denta]

At 10/1/06 06:06 AM, JerkClock wrote: It would be too quick and painless. The way they behead is much more brutal than the guillatine.

I don't see no fucking point in torturing people, REMEMBER, YOU'RE ATTACKING THEIR COUNTRY, ASSHOLE!!!

They didn't choose to go into the war in the first place, it's your oil-greedy fucking maggot Bush that went into the middle east and started the fucking killing spree!

So what's the great fucking deal in taking them to the fucking US and killing them, which would cost a huge fucking amount of money, from the TAX PAYERS!

And if you say that they're more brutal, prove me!

[JerkClock]

At 10/1/06 08:32 AM, Denta wrote:

At 10/1/06 06:06 AM, JerkClock wrote:

I don't see no fucking point in torturing people, REMEMBER, YOU'RE ATTACKING THEIR COUNTRY, ASSHOLE!!!

I'm sorry but you made the idiotic assumption I am talking about Iraqi people and not simply terrorist organizations such as the Al-Qeada which have been doing this well before the Iraq war. Try not to do that and I won't have to treat you like you're stupid.

[Denta]

At 10/1/06 08:41 AM, JerkClock wrote: I'm sorry but you made the idiotic assumption I am talking about Iraqi people and not simply terrorist organizations such as the Al-Qeada which have been doing this well before the Iraq war.

I AM talking about Al-Quida, Hamas and Hezbollah, it's their countries you're mocking in...

And the US wasn't kind before either.

Vietnam
Grenada
1:st Gulf War
etc.

Try not to do that and I won't have to treat you like you're stupid.

Stop behaving like an ass, and i won't treat you like one.

[Preach97]

Depends on the situation.

[ThePurplishOne]

Hell, if torture is ok, whos to say what torture is too far? Who even cares if the wrong guy is tortured? As long as noone finds out, its ok. Why don't murderers get this too? Hell, why do we even need a legal system? We know we're right, why bother proving it in a long, drawn out way when we all know how right we are.

[ImmoralLibertarian]

Ah, the infinite wisdom of over-patriotic folks never ceases to amaze me.

As already been stated: torture is an very ineffective way of information gathering… and as for using it as revenge… what fucked up bullshit is that?

For one, who’s to say the person (okay, let’s face it, Middle-Eastern Muslim) being tortured ever took part in that practice themselves, if they even are guilty of the crimes the US is illegally holding them for?

And there is a reason the justice system is named justice and not revenge.

Maybe if the US and her allies started obeying international laws, and stopped being so fucking hypocritical then people wouldn’t be so pissed off at them.

[Proteas]

At 10/1/06 04:08 AM, Nylo wrote: Disregard the absence of emotion in the eyes; that's just the mark of the darkside.

ref-er-en-dum

1. the principle or practice of referring measures proposed or passed by a legislative body to the vote of the electorate for approval or rejection. Compare initiative (def. 4a).
2. a measure thus referred.
3. a vote on a such a measure.

National referendum on torture my hairy white ASS.

[Lancekatre]

Maybe we could instate some sort of...slow guillotine mechanism, with a jagged blade and make it hand-operated...maybe we could call it a kaybar combat dagger.

[Lancekatre]

At 10/1/06 08:32 AM, Denta wrote: I don't see no fucking point in torturing people, REMEMBER, YOU'RE ATTACKING THEIR COUNTRY, ASSHOLE!!!

They didn't choose to go into the war in the first place, it's your oil-greedy fucking maggot Bush that went into the middle east and started the fucking killing spree!

So what's the great fucking deal in taking them to the fucking US and killing them, which would cost a huge fucking amount of money, from the TAX PAYERS!

And if you say that they're more brutal, prove me!

Um...we could totally just kinda sit back and let them wreak havoc all over the middle east, with plenty of innocent lives being blown to smithereens.

[Memorize]

At 10/1/06 08:47 AM, Denta wrote:

I AM talking about Al-Quida, Hamas and Hezbollah, it's their countries you're mocking in...

Yes, because even tho they kill thousands of innocent people, while thy're jailed we should hand then great feasts on a silver platter.

Stop behaving like an ass, and i won't treat you like one.

Stop acting stupid. Besides, this "torture" isn't even suppose to be considered torture-unless you consider sleep deprivation as torture...

*terrorist starts falling asleep*

"Hey, no no, stay awake".

ooo, that sounds so painful.

[ImmoralLibertarian]

At 10/1/06 10:58 AM, Integrity wrote: Yes, because even tho they kill thousands of innocent people, while thy're jailed we should hand then great feasts on a silver platter.

Christ, I wish my view of the world could be so simplistic, so black and white.

[Memorize]

At 10/1/06 11:11 AM, o-r-i-g-i-n-a-l wrote:

Christ, I wish my view of the world could be so simplistic, so black and white.

Someone who doesn't recognize an exaggerated example to make a point.

Wow, I wish I could look at posts black and white like you.

[Denta]

At 10/1/06 10:58 AM, Integrity wrote:

At 10/1/06 08:47 AM, Denta wrote:

I AM talking about Al-Quida, Hamas and Hezbollah, it's their countries you're mocking in...

Yes, because even tho they kill thousands of innocent people, while thy're jailed we should hand then great feasts on a silver platter.

Hey, did you even see what i wrote after that?

Stop behaving like an ass, and i won't treat you like one.

Stop acting stupid. Besides, this "torture" isn't even suppose to be considered torture-unless you consider sleep deprivation as torture...

*terrorist starts falling asleep*

"Hey, no no, stay awake".

ooo, that sounds so painful.

Three British prisoners, now known in the media as the "Tipton Three", were released in 2004 without charge. Represented by the Center for Constitutional Rights, the three have alleged ongoing torture, sexual degradation, forced drugging and religious persecution being committed by U.S. forces at Guantánamo Bay. The prisoners have released a 115-page dossier detailing these accusations.[33] They have also accused British authorities of knowing about the alleged torture and failing to respond.

Source

[Begoner]

At 10/1/06 05:17 AM, JerkClock wrote: Who says they have to use it for interrogation? These sick fucks should be tortured just for their hostile and ruthless ways.

Sure. And our soldiers in Iraq who killed innocent civilians -- we should torture them, too. Ever heard of Abu Ghraib and Haditha? Damn their hostile and ruthless ways! While we're at it, let's torture the entire Bush administration for killing tens of thousands of civilians in Iraq -- that's more than any single terrorist was able to kill.

Torture is wrong. Period.

[CreativeGlance]

The reason that the US Is seen as "The Good Country" Is simply because throughout our history, we've been the ones to step in and try to break things up,until recently,which is the war in Iraq,came along. Notice in world war II,Japan had a reason to bomb us,we cut off their oil supply,which obviously didn't make them too happy especially since Japan was already in the war.Another example, The Monroe Doctorine, from President James Monroe, What it basically states it mess with us and we'll mess you up,so contridicting terms is also another issue, but in the long run, America will always be the nice country,right now, Saddam Hussien is getting a fair trial, Now all americans know that he committed the crimes,but due to us being "The Fair Country" We have to give him a trial, And one of the best damn lawyers in the country is representing him,but dont be mad at him eh,someone had to do it.

[Begoner]

No evidence of our soldiers killing civilians.

You can't honestly be serious with this comment. You have to be trolling.

http://en.wikipedia...iki/Haditha_killings

The servicemen and women who comitted the acts were imprisoned, and they never killed a prisoner.

Oh, OK, now I know you're being sarcastic. I thought you were serious for a second, my bad.

[Begoner]

Would you be OK with torture if your mother was accused of being a terrorist and was dragged off to a foreign country where she was tortured mercilessly? This guy sure as hell wasn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_Arar

[Denta]

At 10/1/06 02:46 PM, chocolate-penguin wrote: Wikipedia is not a reliable source

Hey, it IS a reliable source!

Why?

Because people can edit, e.g. correct it if wrong, and Wikipedia is also giving its sources, if you are just not to lazy, and can move your fat finger on the mouse, scroll down, and see the links below.

[JMHX]

Wikipedia is in no way a scholarly or reliable source.

[Denta]

At 10/1/06 02:55 PM, Truthiness wrote: Wikipedia is in no way a scholarly or reliable source.

Well, if it ain't scholary, why the fuck did i then get a B on a work about goddamn Hamburg?!

[Denta]

At 10/1/06 02:58 PM, Denta wrote:

At 10/1/06 02:55 PM, Truthiness wrote: Wikipedia is in no way a scholarly or reliable source.

Well, if it ain't scholary, why the fuck did i then get a B on a work about goddamn Hamburg?!

When i used Wikipedia!