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At 3/18/03 04:41 AM, bigmanbrainy wrote: we made him an awfer he cant axcept. war is eminent

true but it shouldn't take more thana week to defeat Iraq in it's present state

At 3/17/03 06:37 PM, olskoo wrote: keep your comments, thoughts, rants etc in here

multiple topics on the subject will be locked

i love or stupid son of a bitch leader.

At 3/18/03 04:54 AM, bigmanbrainy wrote:

At 3/17/03 06:37 PM, olskoo wrote: keep your comments, thoughts, rants etc in here

multiple topics on the subject will be locked

i love or stupid son of a bitch leader.

happy for ya I think he's an idiot

Well i dont want to get dragged into another iraq invasion thread.

So all i will say is this. I support invasion and the troops invovled. on both sides.

I hope that many iraqi soldiers surrender quickley.

some already have tried if anyone follows the news. A group of iraqi regulars crossed the kuwait boarder and tried to surrender to some british troops in live fire training.
they had thought the war had started.

Unfortunately all the british troops could do was tell them it had not started yet and send them back over the boarder.

I personally find this very sad. they are sick of saddams rule. and so are the people. ive made an effort to hear the opinions of iraqi's who have fled their homeland and not once have i heard them say they want saddam in power.

They all support invasion or the removale of saddam hussien.

And in my mind this is all that should matter. Who am i to say peace in iraq? Ive never been there. I havent seen this so called peace. All ive seen is pictures and video of starvation due to sanctions, executions, gassing (or genocide) of the shiites and kurds, torture on the sunnis who are suspected of bad mouthing saddam, and everything of the sort.

I truely hope and prey that few iraqi civilians are killed in the invasion. Though this is always the risk of liberation. 15 million civilians died in ww2 yet once a town or country was liberated from hitler and his army they paraded in the streets and kissed the allied soldiers. (do not forget that the majority of germans were not nazis or even knew about what was being done to the jewish, polish, gays, etc.)

I understand the fear of the people living in the capital of iraq. They are going to see the worst of the fighting. Once again i hope casualties of civilians is kept to a minimum.

One thing more than any out of this invasion i want to see are iraqi civilians parading in the streets.
Just so i can say, "there" to the anti war protesters.

there, because they were wrong to think that the iraqi people are living in peace. Wrong that they like having saddam as their leader. Wrong in their cause to protest.

More than anything i want to see the opinions of the iraqi people..

invasion is going to happen. If you anti war protesters really care about the iraqi people as much as i do then i truely hope that your efforts will be turned to holding food drives around the world to gather food acceptable under the countries religion.
Though im sure you protesters already have taken this into consideration and are not protesting merely because of american political stance..

I plan to help anyway possible. Do the same or your doing nothing more than supporting saddam hussiens dictatorship and the justification of 2 million dead iraqis over the passed few decades..the majority of which because of saddam hussien and not the gulf war.
not to mention the 1 of 6 who have had to flee there homeland to escape the opression.

I could go on and on, though i feel my opinions will fall on the deaf and ignorant.

Well, as usual, no one replied to anything, people are just shooting there own repetitive arguments, and once again, it,s turned into some kind of shouting contest where it's the ones who shouts louder who wins. Politics really aren't strong around here. Makes you think.

No pox..I disagre with you..the problem is that like you people seem to think they are an expert on a subject just because they rant on it or seem to sound reasonable.....point of fact (just 1 aspect of your so called claims)=The US is gonna take over/abandon iraq....IF you used your 18 years of intellect and used it to examine the history of US conflict---you would see that countries we have defeated for the same reasons as IRAQ we not only did NOT abandon but aided them economically to the point that 2 of them are major economic powers. I point GERMANY and JAPAN---not only were both beaten down to the that IF the US DID decide to take over we could easily but we 1)gave them economic aid to rebuild 2)techological info and market grants as is the case with japan ...generally we rebuilt them and as is seen today WE don not control them nor do we have a garrison/fort there to control them. I wont even go into how we aided and help rebuild FRANCE materially and financially and while I liken them to FERENGI They did aid us during our formative years as a nation.
Perhaps it is because I have experienced more than you and regertfully more than I have cared to but your reasoning is not based wholly on factual arguements but emotionalitic factoids spewed forth by propaganda.

bush will kill us all. he is the anti-christ.

This should be in the fucking political section. Fuck

At 3/18/03 02:31 PM, ichbincow wrote:

:...stuff.

Fantastic! You actually replied... to only one argument.. and you dared insult me because you thought that by "proving me wrong" on one thing only, you won.

Well, now, about Germany and Japan... let's see what happened:
U.S. helped the others to defeat the Nazis, pummeled the country, and then, "helped" them, so much, you say, that now, they are a great econpmical power! Yes! They are because, after the war, these fellows were left for dead! They had to be at the top and work their asses off so people would buy their stuff over the other people's stuff, that's what rebuilt this country! And I'm sure the american governent, in "helping" them financially, negociated a few contracts ( which probably won't appear in your 3dr grade history book) which favored them i.e., we fund the rebuilding of this factory, and, in return, you give us discounts once you start producing.
Also, do you have numbers? Are the Americans THE ONLY ONE who helped them after the war?

Japan... well, after all you DID NUKE them, twice, killing more innocents than you could count if you where provided with a calculating device of some sort. Oh, and, by the way, they also had to work like maniacs to get themselves out of the shit YOU PUT THEM in ( although, they did help themselves quite a bit).

Technologies? Like what? Matches? The German and Japanese suffered a lot after this war, and there current succes, they don't ow to you, but to themselves. BTW, Japan is way ahead of America now, in terms of technologie, but I suppose you also helped them with that uh?

One more thing, after the war, the U.S. was the leading power, with cash coming out of their ears, so, yeah, big deal, they helped financialy! They had the means to, and don't believe they didn't get anything in return and did it out of pure pity!

So, based on that, you are actually saying that the U.S. WILL help Irak after the war? Well, I could start explaining stuff to you now that you should have read in my other post, but just know this: if U.S. help the Iraki in ani way at all, you can bet they'll get something in return!

As for you, if you ever find it in your deep deep self to read all of this, try real argumentation for once, i.e., repying point by point to people's arguments, not by selecting the part(s) you think you might have a small small chance of proving them wrong on. And don't insult people who have done nothing to you, because you look like a little baby -don't say anything to that, just keep it as a reminder the next time you're in a real conversation.

At 3/18/03 03:08 PM, RoleModel9999 wrote: bush will kill us all. he is the anti-christ.

He is the anti-atheist, fool.

I think that saddam should leave iraq.
I don't want a war to start.

At 3/18/03 06:10 PM, LordKooler wrote: I think that saddam should leave iraq.
I don't want a war to start.

Saddam will never leave Iraq, he's just a homicidal genocidal and suicidal maniac, remember Halabja on 03/16/88, saddam unleashed chemical weapons on that village and killed 4,000 people, and that's the only reason I'm for this war

http://www.cjstone.co.uk/pgs/Politicalcounterdoc.htm

Basiccly sums up the war.

question pox? what have you done for your country to secure its freedoms? Just wondering particularly since people protesting the "war" will not have to sacrifice their lives or go in harms way. Again..unless you have or are going to sacrifice for your country I truly believe you really dont have a voice in the matter and the BOTTOM line is what are you going to do should the unthinkable happen and the "mighty USA falls"? Call France for help?
I am through with this particular thread esp. since no amount of ranting will change what is about to happen.

At 3/18/03 09:08 PM, ichbincow wrote: question pox? what have you done for your country to secure its freedoms? Just wondering particularly since people protesting the "war" will not have to sacrifice their lives or go in harms way. Again..unless you have or are going to sacrifice for your country I truly believe you really dont have a voice in the matter and the BOTTOM line is what are you going to do should the unthinkable happen and the "mighty USA falls"? Call France for help?
I am through with this particular thread esp. since no amount of ranting will change what is about to happen.

Well, at least educate yourself!
I don't remember any of your top50 flash entries! How can you vote on movies?
BTW, U.S. isn't at risk. It won't fall because of a war, especially not this one. All these crazy people ever wanted was to make U.S. realize that they too are part of the world, and that they should stop living like kings, tucked away in their little castle.

At 3/17/03 08:13 PM, zMDude wrote: "Those who side with us will get a free batch of Freedom Fries for their trouble."

Some people might think of this as "just a new toy for the president". I think otherwise:

"DADDY! DADDY! Can I play with this?"

"Sure, son, you can play with Daddy's War."

"Oh boy!

At 3/18/03 05:15 PM, poxpower wrote:
Japan... well, after all you DID NUKE them,

If they didn't want to get nuked, they shouldn't have brought america into the war with a sneak attack kill INNOCENT including solders. There is no such thing as INNOCENT in war since Vietnam.

At 3/18/03 09:58 PM, JoseTheHorrible wrote:

At 3/18/03 05:15 PM, poxpower wrote:

If they didn't want to get nuked, they shouldn't have brought america into the war with a sneak attack kill INNOCENT including solders.

omg it wasnt a sneak attack, IT'S A CONSPIRACY OMG ITS A TRAP!!!

At 3/18/03 10:04 PM, RussianSpy22 wrote:
omg it wasnt a sneak attack, IT'S A CONSPIRACY OMG ITS A TRAP!!!

JA JA JA JA JA JA Its a crayon with penis written on it.

i really don't care about the war, because it doesn't affect me at all. call me a selfish bastard but i'm pretty indifferent about the whole thing.

After reading through this I havent found many replies with much thought put into them but I have found some that seemed to be attempting to make a points so I'll assume what they were trying to say was intellegent and thought provoking.
First of all, this war is NOT for oil. If it was we would be fighting a war that will cost upwards of 40 billion (more likely 80 billion) for an oil sorce that will last for maybe another 40 years that we cant even take for free, we DO have to pay for the oil only it would be at a more favorable price to America.
Second, Saddam DOES have weapons of mass destruction, there's no doubt about that. He admitted to having Biological and Chemical weapons in 1995 but gives no evidence that it was all destroyed. This isn't like lighting a fart if you were to destroy the amount of weapons he admitted to having there would be piles of evidence of it. It's very likely he buried many of the weapons and put the coordinates where he buried them into a GPS locator and will just go back and dig them up later, While he kept some other weapons out in case he needed to use them in an emergency.
As civilian deaths, yes there will probably be civilian deaths in the war. There always is but there is a garuntee that if we leave him in power he WILL kill much more than the war will. He has already killed 2 million of his own citizens. Saddam Hussien obviosly has no quarrel with killing his own people so what problem would he have with killing complete strangers, much less his enemies. This will not be a bloody war because the normal Iraqi soldiers will surrender immedeatly (I cant say the same for the Republican Gaurd). In a training exercise in Kuwait British troops were practicing paratrooping when Iraqi troops pre-emptively surrendered, what courage it took to throw thier rifles down at the sight of enemy troops.
If anyone can find any flaws in what I wrote, i dont mean grammar and spelling, please feel free to point them out.

At 3/18/03 10:33 PM, jimsween wrote:

First of all, this war is NOT for oil. If it was we would be fighting a war that will cost upwards of 40 billion (more likely 80 billion) for an oil sorce that will last for maybe another 40 years that we cant even take for free, we DO have to pay for the oil only it would be at a more favorable price to America.

And it would STILL be profitable for America...The reason why we went to war with Iraq the last time was because he was threatening a major Oil Suply...in Kuwait.
If such an Oil source DID last 40 years...it would probably be worth more than 80 billion!

Second, Saddam DOES have weapons of mass destruction, there's no doubt about that. He admitted to having Biological and Chemical weapons in 1995 but gives no evidence that it was all destroyed. This isn't like lighting a fart if you were to destroy the amount of weapons he admitted to having there would be piles of evidence of it. It's very likely he buried many of the weapons and put the coordinates where he buried them into a GPS locator and will just go back and dig them up later, While he kept some other weapons out in case he needed to use them in an emergency.

There's still no PROOF...On top of that...If we are facing Saddam for POSSIBLY owning WoMD...WHY AREN'T WE GOING AFTER KIM JONG IL? He's developing missiles that can hit almost anywhere in North America...Saddam doesn't even have CONVENTIONAL PAYLOAD MISSILES that can go past Israel...

As civilian deaths, yes there will probably be civilian deaths in the war. There always is but there is a garuntee that if we leave him in power he WILL kill much more than the war will. He has already killed 2 million of his own citizens. Saddam Hussien obviosly has no quarrel with killing his own people so what problem would he have with killing complete strangers, much less his enemies. This will not be a bloody war because the normal Iraqi soldiers will surrender immedeatly (I cant say the same for the Republican Gaurd).

The War itself is not the problem...POSTWAR IRAQ IS! Dubyuh ASSUMES that the people of Iraq...who have been listening to his propaganda years...How are they going to immediatly accept Democracy...
To top this off...Saddam is threatening to dress some of his soldiers up as American soldiers and have them murder civilians...making them think that American's commited the atrocities...
And how are we going to knock out Saddam's weoponry without killing many civilians...SADDAM is stashing his weapons inside Mosques, Schools, and Hospitals!...

Also...If we are not CAREful in occupying IRAQ...we could spur the recruitment of Fundementalists!

I hate Saddam as much as anyone here...but this war isn't really the best solution at THIS point! Unless Dubyuh has a card up his sleave (I wouldn't be surprised if he actually had a poker card in there)...this war is gonna screw us over!

And if you wanna know HOW much I hate Saddam...well...you can get a fraction of how much by Going to my Website and clicking on my drawing of him when he pops up!

blah blah pox blah blah and no matter what is said you will rant on no matter how truly shortsighted your world views are..feel free to rant even more so you may have "the last word"...in the meantime have a nice day..

I can't believe Bush is still clinging to the "God bless our nation" phrase. He tries to justify war by claiming his actions are Gods will and God favors America over Iraq. And people ask me why I don't like religion...

my uncle and cousin mite go to Iraq
they haven't received word yet

At 3/22/03 01:10 PM, RaNcIdPsYcHoJoSh wrote: HOORJH FOR WAR FAGGOTRY

heh heh heh.

I think bush made the right dicision by going to war. If we don't get rid of suddam hussein then we may never be able to.

Why are helicopter crashes killing more troops then enemy solidiers?

thank u wade i completely agree with all of that i just couldnt put into words