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i was about to make a topic like this, but then olskoo made it so that sucks...

"WAR IS GOOD FOR ME!"
-Thunderclese

At 3/17/03 08:39 PM, HeinousDude wrote:

Yes. Let's kill everyone there and create a democratic "government" there in its place, which we control, so we can get the oil, in cheaper prices, from the people who live there who owns the oil, thus paying and benefiting the democratic government, which are controlled by us, for the oil, and give the natives there nothing for what belongs to them. Then we can process the oil and ship it back to iraq to be sold in really expensive prices even though they could've probably processed the oil themselves if we didn't strip it from them. I am sure the iraqis will be very happy. They will certainly not fight back, like the U.S. did to Britain when Britain raised taxes on the American colonies.

This war is definitely about oil at least to some degree. Bush gets his money from oil, so there is some incentive for him to seize more. Bush made an explicit demand for Saddam's commanders to not blow up oil rigs, leaving more room for concern. Bush has also insisted several times that a US based peacekeeping force be imposed as a governing body for some time after taking over . . .

I know a lot of people claim that we've spent too much on this war for any concern over oil to be valid. My only response is: you have to invest money to see returns . . .

At 3/17/03 06:52 PM, President_eviL wrote: I think my sig pic fits this thread perfectly...

haha. Never noticed that.

At 3/17/03 09:26 PM, DIGITAL_GHOST wrote: A lot of people say this war is about oil. Well, imagine if all the unprocessed oil on earth were to magically dissapear. Would Bush go to war then? Think about it.

What would power the tanks and air craft?! How would we lubricate the moving parts on our weaponry? We must resort to sticks and swords! Uh-oh . . .

Kill Sadam, initiate Armageddon! Joy!

At 3/17/03 09:26 PM, DIGITAL_GHOST wrote: A lot of people say this war is about oil. Well, imagine if all the unprocessed oil on earth were to magically dissapear. Would Bush go to war then? Think about it.

Yes. He will call whoever has processed oil an axis of evil and declare war on that place.

At 3/17/03 09:28 PM, Chode_BerryClock wrote:

At 3/17/03 09:26 PM, DIGITAL_GHOST wrote: A lot of people say this war is about oil. Well, imagine if all the unprocessed oil on earth were to magically dissapear. Would Bush go to war then? Think about it.

What would power the tanks and air craft?! How would we lubricate the moving parts on our weaponry? We must resort to sticks and swords! Uh-oh . . .

If there's no oil on earth, we would be developing clean, battery powered or water powered vehicles much faster than we are now. Development on those things are slow because oil is a large part of our economy. If everyone uses those cars on one day then the oil industry would collapse. This would make Saddam powerless because his income is oil and if we all use hydro-cars (whatever you call it) no one will want oil anymore. HOWEVER, rich people (bush) in the US are in the oil industries as well, and they aren't going to let the industry fall anytime soon.

When america eliminate world debt, then i might agree with you that the war isn't a completly selfish and greedy quest which just has a nice sugar coating.

I really can't be bothered to go on discussing this.. i have had enough of this talk of war.. especially when most of my posts got deleted after this topic was started even though it started afterwoulds but hey why be bitter when your country is being dragged into a war by another one... I wonder... whats closer for them to bomb england or USA.. ur so safe over there in comparisson.. thanks

A half-trained British squad was practicing in the desert. Part of Sadaam's army heard the shooting, and came to the conclusion that the war had started. They walked over to the squad, and surrendered immediately. No one wants to fight for this asshole!

After/During the Gulf War, a large group of Arabs in Southern Iraq were also violently rebelling from Sadaam. More recently, many Arabs called for his removal from office. How can you tell me that anyone wants this guy in power?

He's an evil, twisted man, and there's not a doubt in my mind he should be removed from power. I'm not sure if war is the best way of removing him, but I believe in the purity of our intentions.

P.S. President Evil, You can't get any more misinformed than putting President Bush and the Nazi symbol in the same signature. Even if you don't agree with him, he's certainly not upholding the same principles. Nazism is a totalitarian, supremist society. That's everything that America is against. So you may think it's clever, but it's really just makes you look ignorant.

give me a G!
give ma a A!
give me a Y!
wats that spell? GAY!! as in war is gay!

Chode_BerryClock wrote:

Sverige äger er alla era blattar

Indeed. Jag haser un doppa kolassal.

I agree with your anti-war (I assume you're anti-war) stance, but not to the point of claiming the Iraqis wish to die for Saddam. I agree with you that this will only make more terrorists, but I also agree with Wade that removing Saddam from power will limit their reserves.

P.S. President Evil, You can't get any more misinformed than putting President Bush and the Nazi symbol in the same signature. Even if you don't agree with him, he's certainly not upholding the same principles. Nazism is a totalitarian, supremist society. That's everything that America is against. So you may think it's clever, but it's really just makes you look ignorant.

or maybe.. just maybe.. he is the sugar coated reincarnation of hitler. He's being a Nazi in a very very clever way... or maybe what you said was right... who knows... hey in an infinite universe anything is possible...

I really like this topic! Let us repeat:

Iraq before Saddam ( who was armed by the U.S. ... or English... whatever) = a multitude of crazy religious fanatics all waring with each other.
Saddam: lays down the law and "calms" them crazy fanatics with his gentle ways.
Now: Saddam: Shit, that idiot Ben Laden blew up the towers! Now, they'll have an excuse to come after me... I hope they don't take my precious oil! And I hope they won't find that chicken pox bomb I hid in the basement of one of my multiple castles...

Iraq: Dominated by religion, many extremists force (with guns) the normal people who just want to be left alone into a war and into licking's Saddam's dirty dirty boots. Also: Because of Saddam being bombarded from each side, these people get heavy economical setbacks and live in shit up to their ears.

So... Saddam, who is an evil dictator, rules ferociously a country with many extremist people by opressing the people and menacing them with guns.

America = people who, in general, know shit about the rest of the world, who live with lotso cash compared to many other countries and who are scared that Saddam might use the same means of fighting as them: Huge destructive weapons.
America didn't get it: stop pumping the earth's ressources and consuming 5x as much as any poor country.
Bush= Leader. Under a lot of pressure from his people and his "friends" in the white house.
Wants war because:
- Get rid of Saddam
- Control another part of the world
- Get money

The good:
He will get rid of Saddam. That's about it.

The Bad: Will cause many civilians deaths and spend billions of dollars.

What most people think: We go, kill Saddam, liberate the country, and then everyone is happy!

What will happen: Democracy? More like: America controling Irak, also, the people will still suffer from all the damage the war caused, and I don't see how they're going to get any richer. Also, Bush and his little buddies will be sure to suck the place dry of every little ressource ( no, not publicly, you moron!) they have. Bush will give his little buddies all the contracts.
Also: How long will american soldiers have to stay there, surrounded by muslim countries? (Who hate them BTW). Hmmmmmm... And if Saddam really had bombs? What of them then? If someone even crazier uncovers them? Hmmmmm?

Bottom line: Bush goes in, Saddam goes out, Bush comes back, victorious and all, then, leaves Irak to die/suffer etc.

French/Germans/Russians
Saddam ows a lot of money to these guys, so, like ANY AMERICAN WOULD, they don't want him to go unless they get paid, because the U.S. sure has hell won't give them any cash after they get rid of Saddam. Also, maybe they actually don't like the idea of another war... maybe they're actually as crazy as all those crazy americans who don't want war either...

Anyways, there is no way to prevent war now, regardless of what the entire world thinks -why? Because U.S. is incredibely powerful and ECONOMICALY dangerous (I'll explain it to you if you don't understand...).

And when U.S. has "freed" Irak, YOU CAN BE SURE that they won't free anyone else! I guarantee that! So I guess the only way for a people to be helped by you americans is to have crazy war-monging leaders who threaten everyone with weapons of mass-destruction... riiight...

I'm sure I've forgotten something... well, if anyone actually reads this for once, I'm sure they'll remind
me...

At 3/17/03 07:38 PM, WadeFulp wrote: I don't think of this whole mess as a war.

(snip)

Come on people, this needs to be done. The sooner the better. I think it will be over in 1-2 weeks.

Well said.

And it isn't a war, no. Not in itself. But it's part of the greater war on terror, so... more like a battle.

The public is over reacting about the war because they're all jealous of the US.

Given the choice between Bush and Saddam the public seems to choose Saddam. What a bunch of quacks.

I find it hilarious that all the human shields pulled out of Iraq though because they didn't like where Saddam was placing them.

lol, some protester was like 'I wish they placed me somewhere like an orphanage'.. well I got news for you buddy, the orphanage already has human shields.. they're called ORPHANS.

Strawberry clock will beat both Iraq and America at the same time.

bush's comment was too long..i fell asleep..for about 5 minutes..and when i woke up..he was still talking..i hope SBC kills bush and Saddam..and btw what happened to Osama? who ever stopped to think that Saddam started all this shit just to help his bud Osama leave Iraq and goto another place of the world!?

a round of applause for poxpower

:::claps enthusiastically:::

At 3/17/03 10:13 PM, Shrapnel wrote: The public is over reacting about the war because they're all jealous of the US.

I agree, but since it seems we have to talk about it all the time to look intelligent and "concerned", well, what do you want?

Given the choice between Bush and Saddam the public seems to choose Saddam. What a bunch of quacks.

Actually, the public doesn't have a choice between Bush and Saddam, they have a choice between starting a war with Saddam or not starting a war with Saddam, and no, none of these choices are related to either "the Bush choice" or the "Saddam" choice.

I find it hilarious that all the human shields pulled out of Iraq though because they didn't like where Saddam was placing them.

I found very funny too when I read it in the paper. Waht a bunch of cretins! So damn hypocrit!

lol, some protester was like 'I wish they placed me somewhere like an orphanage'.. well I got news for you buddy, the orphanage already has human shields.. they're called ORPHANS.

That was also very funny! But orphans, I find, a a poor human shield, as they are usually pretty thin and frail, so they don't last long against enemy bullets. A good, fat hippie, now you're talking! A good one can protect 2-3 Iraqi soldiers until they get to cover!

At 3/17/03 09:51 PM, Rooster349 wrote:

P.S. President Evil, You can't get any more misinformed than putting President Bush and the Nazi symbol in the same signature. Even if you don't agree with him, he's certainly not upholding the same principles. Nazism is a totalitarian, supremist society. That's everything that America is against. So you may think it's clever, but it's really just makes you look ignorant.

Bush might not be supremist but he certainly has discriminating views. My favorite part: That other guy saying "bullshit." America is against religious discrimination too you know. We're not totalitarian, but we're getting close.

must kill SADDAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

War = death.

Tony Blair, what a lapdog. That's all I have to say.

Peace > Money.

Bush for a start is an insane blood thristy idiot. America is after the oil for one and they know they will need it in the future. Yes it is true that France and all that do have shares in other countries oil and it may be some of the reason they want peace. But if you look at world wide statistics people who want war are the minority. Even in America only 55% of people want war so its not a very strong majority even there. Americas economy relies on war to survive around 50% of it is built on war related things. Without war america is not economically viable. I Hope america is repled and i hope the other countries stand agsinst it and make it abide by the Un instead of doing its own thing. I am also angry at my stupid leader who has commited us to war with that bloody idiot bush. Blood shed gains nothing and cant solve anything words cant in 95% of cases and this is no exception. Iraq has done everything to agree with the Un and yet america still aint happy, they never are. Im not against Americans in general but people who support bush are fools in my opinion.

Looking at the comments made and looking at the profiles posted---not a one of you who is "anti war/anti bush" or "its all about oil" have no clue about the situation nor the level of sacrifice necessary to maintain the freedooms which some of you not only take for granted but are not even old enough to defend it.
Yap away all you want about how evil war is but what the hell are you doing to help resolve the situation besides moaning?
As far as all the stats on "how many people dont want the US to goto war=The only peoples opinion that truly matters is the ones who will have to die and are on the front line. I have done my time in the military and I will say that as much as I love and am willing to do what it takes to defend it=Only a complete fucking moron would think that I actually WANTED to die by chemical warefare or be blown up by something and die in some distant land for some jackass thats is protesting against something he/she will not and is not sacrificeing a damn thing for. Come on people who the hell really wakes up and says "gee rocky time to die for people who are ungratefull not only for their freedooms but for those that have to sacrifice for them".
I truly wish that all the people who REALLY despise are policies and way of life=go ahaead and leave/stay out of the US. If france is SOOO anti USA the why the hell do they still have mcdonalds there?
Bah--I could go on with perfectly justified arguments that validate precisely what is and must be done but since most of the people spouting of the anti war noise have not really looked at ALL the reprecusions worldwide that would /occur were saddam be allowed his continued course of action....I kinda hope (god gorgive me) that someone bombs the hell out of their country via a terrorist attack (Eiffel towers a perfect target for example) because in case you have forgotten--->>>The Jihad that is being waged against the US/Britain can and will be turned on the rest of the "Infidel" nations....

At 3/17/03 09:39 PM, FatCatScandal wrote: whats closer for them to bomb england or USA.. ur so safe over there in comparisson.. thanks

riiiight...

remind me, BTW, I forgot: Did the terrorists destroy a couple skyscrapers in downtown Manhattan, NYC, NY, USA, North America, or did they destroy London Bridge and Big Ben in London, England, UK, Europe?

Proximity means nothing to human weapons, only to bombers and battleships and tanks and so forth, which are a lot easier to see coming, anyway.

At 3/17/03 06:37 PM, olskoo wrote: keep your comments, thoughts, rants etc in here

multiple topics on the subject will be locked

we made him an awfer he cant axcept. war is eminent