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Am I in trouble?

From: VegetarianMeat
Sent: 03/05/08 16:44
Subject: Platform Bounce, compensation...

I realize this is a little bit late, but I've only just figured out the whole, "This game is sponsored" deal, and read up on the creative commons license. So anyways, your submission, "Platform Bounce," is sponsored by Hallpass, in other words, you received money from it. You used my song, "pow," in the game, which happens to be under the the creative commons license, which dictates, "You may not use this work for commercial purposes unless you make specific arrangements with the artist under another license." You never contacted me regarding the use of the song, so I thought I'd send this PM asking you what should be done in regards to the situation. Once again, I apologize that I'm sending this so late, but technically I should be getting royalties for your use of my work. I look forward to your response

- Jeremy Romberg.

I'm pretty worried, what should I do, I know nothing about the audio licensing terms... I assumed if it was on the audio portal, you could use it.

Can someone give me an insight on the law side of things here?

At 3/6/08 01:47 PM, BritishMoose wrote: On top of that, do the Mods of various forums compete against the others in West Side Story-esque musical numbers and gang fights?

Unbelievable, they are as competitive as News Teams when it comes to defending their company. [if you haven't seen that clip, prepare to waste 6 minutes of your life cuzitsdamnawesome]

I have an urge to make a flash game, someone make it stop =[ I wanna make a RTS-defense game, haha.. maybe when I get more time.

At 3/6/08 05:19 PM, crushy wrote: Audio problems

I just had a good hard look.. from the Audio submit page:

By uploading your own creations, you are providing an invaluable service to Flash authors worldwide. Your loops and music will enter the "NG public domain", meaning anyone is welcome to use your audio in their Flash creations free of charge.

Ignore that dick.

At 3/6/08 05:36 PM, TomFulp wrote: the mod lounge has naked pictures of me and sherbert posted every week and all the mods vote on which is their favorte. so far the winner is halloween 2006.

Now I'm finally motivated to try to get modded.

At 3/6/08 05:19 PM, crushy wrote: Am I in trouble?
I'm pretty worried, what should I do, I know nothing about the audio licensing terms... I assumed if it was on the audio portal, you could use it.

Can someone give me an insight on the law side of things here?

I TOLD YOU ALL THIS WOULD HAPPEN!

At 3/6/08 05:36 PM, TomFulp wrote: the mod lounge has naked pictures of me and sherbert posted every week and all the mods vote on which is their favorte. so far the winner is halloween 2006. but luis is getting demodded.

You just made a big mistake boy-o, you posted stuff that happens in the mod forum.. you're gonna get de-admined. I hope luis gets ya before you get him, big meanie.

At 3/6/08 05:25 PM, liaaaam wrote:
By uploading your own creations, you are providing an invaluable service to Flash authors worldwide. Your loops and music will enter the "NG public domain", meaning anyone is welcome to use your audio in their Flash creations free of charge.

Ignore that dick.

That's no way to treat someone who made the audio. I think he pointed out the situation in a polite and normal manner, the least the flash creator could have done was notify him that he was going to use his song. It's not a matter of who stands in their right legally, it's more a matter of the right moral behavior.

At 3/6/08 05:25 PM, liaaaam wrote:

At 3/6/08 05:19 PM, crushy wrote: Audio problems

I just had a good hard look.. from the Audio submit page:

By uploading your own creations, you are providing an invaluable service to Flash authors worldwide. Your loops and music will enter the "NG public domain", meaning anyone is welcome to use your audio in their Flash creations free of charge.

So you submit them to Newgrounds free of charge. And then Newgrounds releases them under BY-SA-NC. Which allows me the legal right under creative commons to use all your SWF files as I see fit.

Gimme. ^_^

At 3/6/08 05:47 PM, AloneInTheDark wrote: That's no way to treat someone who made the audio. I think he pointed out the situation in a polite and normal manner, the least the flash creator could have done was notify him that he was going to use his song. It's not a matter of who stands in their right legally, it's more a matter of the right moral behavior.

Heh, you're right. I don't see the morality in demanding money when he submitted to NG knowing full well that the song could be used in a flash, although now I think of it there may be something in the license that means he cant use the song if he gets paid or something.. >_<

At 3/6/08 05:53 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote: So you submit them to Newgrounds free of charge. And then Newgrounds releases them under BY-SA-NC. Which allows me the legal right under creative commons to use all your SWF files as I see fit.

Gimme. ^_^

That's different, I think, for a reason I can't put my finger on. Instead I'll poke you in the ribs..

*E-poke*

At 3/6/08 05:44 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote: I TOLD YOU ALL THIS WOULD HAPPEN!

VERY interesting and something I have not thought of until now. This is definitely a conflict of legal terms...so where does that leave the audio portlers and the animators...Very interesting indeed.

At 3/6/08 05:56 PM, liaaaam wrote: *E-poke*

From the legal tesxt the AP is under as of the redesign last year (retroactive back to the beginning of the AP I believe)

Attribution. You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work).

Noncommercial. You may not use this work for commercial purposes.

Share Alike. If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same or similar license to this one.

===

Yes people. This means all your SWF submitted to this site using content from the Audio Portal after the Redesign are, in the CC's eyes, PUBLIC DOMAIN.

At 3/6/08 05:59 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote: Tons of legal stuff

So, just to clear up. Flash develops that sponsor, contest or sell games are allowed to use music from the audio portal as long as it's pre-redesign and as long as they give credit to the artist.

And we are not allowed to use music from the audio portal if it had been submitted after the re-design if we intend to make money off the flash (contest, sponsorship or sell).

"winter"
This is a flash I stumbled upon, it may be quit disgusting, but it had suerb animation and didn't even get an award. I have to say I quite liked it.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/41 6827

At 3/6/08 05:36 PM, TomFulp wrote: the mod lounge has naked pictures of me and sherbert posted every week and all the mods vote on which is their favorte. so far the winner is halloween 2006. but luis is getting demodded.

OMG TOM POSTED IN TEH REG LUNGE LUL.

Cats
Cats are the best animals ever. I've made 2 games about them and I have another in the works :)

Game-loading patent
I don't think it's fair that Namco could sue someone for using a preloader minigame, if the creator of the game wasn't aware it was patented... and even so, it's a silly patent. How do you define a preloader minigame?

Audio Portal
I always ask so I don't get these problems :3
But I seem to remember that anything in the audio portal is free to use, even if it does have the creative commons licensing stuff on it. Besides, I doubt the owner of that music track would have the balls to take legal action. Just send him a t-shirt and a hug or something :)

Burfday
Yesterday. Burfdays suck.

Macs
Does anyone know what the keycode is for the mouse button ON MACS? Apparently my mouse-based games don't work on them and I think the reason is that it's a different keycode.

At 3/6/08 06:40 PM, edit-undo wrote: Cats
Cats are the best animals ever. I've made 2 games about them and I have another in the works :)

I don't like cats but I love cat pictures.

At 3/6/08 12:24 PM, jmtb02 wrote: TrueDarnkess
TrueDarkness is a nice guy. 8/10.

Yes! A score better than my Chem average :D
Have I missed much? (Yes)

New Tablet PC- zo mg!
I'm writing this post from my new toy. Apparently, I can't write as fast as loan type. Anyway, will have some pics of it soon. Soon as I've installed Flash and got the premise sensitivity part of it to demonstrate.

However, as you can see, for the most part, the handwriting recognition system is pretty reliable. Think I'll be unity this at work to take notes.

I've already earned Luis' eternal hatred for buying a tablet with a computer inside it methinks!

loan and unity came out wrong but for the most part that's really accurate. Hope you enjoy it :)

At 3/6/08 07:18 PM, Deathcon7 wrote: loan and unity came out wrong but for the most part that's really accurate.

That's assuming that he meant to post what he did :P

Worst comes to worst with the audio problem you can remove his song from all the files you still have control of and just use a different one.

You're only legally required to remove it from things you personally submitted (i.e sponsor+ng+other upload sites) so it wouild be a pain but not that big of an ordeal if he feels he needs to press the matter further.

At 3/6/08 07:34 PM, NextToNothing wrote: You're only legally required to remove it from things you personally submitted (i.e sponsor+ng+other upload sites) so it wouild be a pain but not that big of an ordeal if he feels he needs to press the matter further.

Actually, according to the Audio Portal submission page, he doesn't really have a right to demand anything from a flash project, commercial or otherwise, you use his file in.

It's always confusing when you have two contradicting sets of rules. Tom should do something about it.

Is this insulting?

I'm writing a synopsis for an RPG I'd like to make in the future. It's getting pretty indepth with a pea-soup thickness to the plot. But I'm wondering if it's insulting to most flash artists and ASers for me to ask for their services. I'm capable in flash, but my art style isn't serious enough and I'm shit for AS. Just wondering what you guys think? Am I simply asking them to do all the work, or is my own work enough?

And yes, money for sponsorship would be divided amongst the workers. I'm probably going to need people for non-battle sprites, character designs, backgrounds, battle animators, ect.

"A Scanner Darkly

Just finished watching it, the entire movie is rotoscoped. Looks pretty awesome in motion. The novel it's based on (of the same name) was written by Philip K. Dick, author of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, about his own drug experiences and those of people close to him.

Hey Guys I finally started making some flash again, here is my newest one... Tell me what you all think

At 3/6/08 06:40 PM, edit-undo wrote: Macs
Does anyone know what the keycode is for the mouse button ON MACS? Apparently my mouse-based games don't work on them and I think the reason is that it's a different keycode.

Your have to interpolate a mouse press using the onMouse functions in flash to detect mouseclicks on macs:

this.onMouseDown=function()
{
this.mdown=true;
}

this.onMouseUp=function()
{
this.mdown=false;
}

if (this.mdown)
{
trace("mouse click!");
}

At 3/6/08 08:36 PM, DarkMana wrote: "A Scanner Darkly

Just finished watching it, the entire movie is rotoscoped. Looks pretty awesome in motion. The novel it's based on (of the same name) was written by Philip K. Dick, author of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, about his own drug experiences and those of people close to him.

I didnt know A Scanner Darkly was based around that book... Isnt Blade Runner also based around the novel?

At 3/6/08 10:44 PM, J1mp wrote: I didnt know A Scanner Darkly was based around that book... Isnt Blade Runner also based around the novel?

I'm saying that Philip K. Dick also wrote Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?. A Scanner Darkly is a different book.

At 3/6/08 07:54 PM, HandsomeJake wrote: And yes, money for sponsorship would be divided amongst the workers. I'm probably going to need people for non-battle sprites, character designs, backgrounds, battle animators, ect.

Its a touchy issue. I think a big problem with these kind of relationships is that the "idea man" comes up with a basic plan of what he wants, hands it off to the developers, and never does flesh anything out. Simply saying "its a shooting game where you kill things" is not enough work on your part to justify handing it off to other people. You have to do just as much work as them, so writting diologue, back story, gameplay, environments, enemys, anything and everything. If its your project, theres no reason they have to figure it all out themselves.

Also, its better to have all this done before you start looking for artist and scripters, because it will be easier to get someone on board whem they see all the work you done, and it will allow a constant workload for them, so they dont sit waiting for you and get bored with the project.