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At 8/3/07 09:35 PM, Kart-Man wrote: Could anyone explain to me how this would happen in the Under Judgment panel?

Its just a weird mistake. If you click on it, it says it never existed.

At 8/3/07 09:16 PM, Pezboy440 wrote: I:M SOOO HAPPY, I just found out one of my old games just got sponcered and i'll get 200!! buckz! I"M SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!

What game?

And if it's old, why are you just finding out now?

Who is sponsoring it?

Eric Bauman
That's total crap. I'm still curios as to WHY he hasn't been sued out of his brains yet.
How has he gone this long without anyone coming down on him HARD??

Whoever bought the site off him is an idiot, I sorta feel sorry that they may get hit for all the shit Eric did.

If he gets away with all that money without any lawsuits in the near future, I say we send Pico after him...

Ebaum
I personally dont mind eric that much, ive havent seen a case of him decompliling someones flash and sticking his logo on it, or tampering with the swf an anyway. and if it says presented by ebaumsworld, it doesnt really mean heclaiming posession over it, i mean newgrounds does that too. and i also dont care if he gives flash games and movies more views, so more people see your work. i mean its like stealing something thats free, its still stealing but there isnt much harm in it. i dont see what much of the fuss is about. if you dont want other people putting your flash on their website without permission, put in the script that makes it exclusive to one site.

At 8/3/07 10:59 PM, hashbrown wrote: Ebaum
I personally dont mind eric that much, ive havent seen a case of him decompliling someones flash and sticking his logo on it, or tampering with the swf an anyway. and if it says presented by ebaumsworld, it doesnt really mean heclaiming posession over it, i mean newgrounds does that too.

newgrounds doesnt flat out take your work and slap it on the site... i dont remember tom ever poking around the web and just taking shit without even asking or atleast telling you that hes taking it. Eric doesnt even have the grace to tell you what hes taking from you he just takes it...

i dont care if theres smaller sites that DO that... it doesnt make it right and doing so is a very frowned upon move.. granted Eric is completely spineless and could care less about artists.

its insulting you even compare ebaums to newgrounds

At 8/3/07 10:40 PM, Warchamp7 wrote: That's total crap. I'm still curios as to WHY he hasn't been sued out of his brains yet.

He was sued a year ago by Noogai who made Animator vs. Animation. I'm not sure what happened, by I think Bauman tried to bribe him or something, then the case was given up or something. I remember I saw Go! on their with all the Newgrounds and sponsorship logos.

At 8/4/07 12:05 AM, Luis wrote: its insulting you even compare ebaums to newgrounds

I have to agree with Luis. The whole concept of taking others' possessions is so juvenile and - though I do not know Eric - all I can imagine is an immature prick.

You can view his stealing as some extra publicity for your work, but really it's as simple as the guy profiting off your efforts! Would it be okay for websites offering free tutorials to steal from one another and slap THEIR company picture on some other site's hard work?

It truly is insulting to compare the two

At 8/4/07 12:25 AM, Siggy0501 wrote:

At 8/4/07 12:05 AM, Luis wrote: its insulting you even compare ebaums to newgrounds

I have to agree with Luis. The whole concept of taking others' possessions is so juvenile and - though I do not know Eric - all I can imagine is an immature prick.

Welll i wouldnt go that far with it.. the internet is changing and places like YouTube and other sites realize that the money recirculates when you DO let people take things to their site...
the internet is viral and alive and people will find a way to get what they need, but with a site as high profile as his he could atleast invest money in a system where he would drop you an email to tell you he is taking it... i mean when someone takes you youtube you can atleast track it down... he has tons of my shit and ive never made an account or even visited ebaums before.. i dont have the energy to fight for something i would give up anyway ... im all for sharing my work.. is it too much to ask to be told when you are using my work?? its a decency issue.. atleast have a slice of respect for the artist is all im saying. I mean im paying you bills ATLEAST gimmie a shout out to say hay thanks for giving me a chance to be a millionare. A real person made the work he takes.. that concept evades him.
And dont tell me to get mochi or whatever cause it should be the person taking who should take two mins out of their day to let you know they took it.

At 8/4/07 12:38 AM, Luis wrote: Welll i wouldnt go that far with it..

I didn't mean to sound that aggressive - all I'm saying is that it shows no respect at all for a person when you ignore/exploit their hard work without even asking

At 8/3/07 09:35 PM, Kart-Man wrote: Whoa...
Could anyone explain to me how this would happen in the Under Judgment panel?

I saw that too.. whooh.

At 8/4/07 12:24 AM, Masterswordman wrote:

At 8/3/07 10:40 PM, Warchamp7 wrote: That's total crap. I'm still curios as to WHY he hasn't been sued out of his brains yet.

He was sued a year ago by Noogai who made Animator vs. Animation. I'm not sure what happened, by I

I'll google it and get back to you.

[b]Ebaum:[/b]

http://www.filmjunk.com/2006/06/25/ebaum sworld-bribes-animator-to-settle-controv ersy/

Apparently, Animator vs Animation's creator, threatened to sue. And Ebaum bribed him with 1250$ to not sue, he could have gotten more but the author really needed the money. Understandable.

Lame.

i love this thread!

At 8/4/07 05:44 AM, ShirtTurtle wrote:

At 8/4/07 03:19 AM, ArthurGhostly wrote: What ever happened to this guy?

Uhh, the user of the day is so pointless now.
Without an icon to make it interesting, there's hardly any difference
between each user.
I don't even look at it anymore.

I don't even notice it anymore. Why did they take the picture away?

At 8/4/07 12:38 AM, Luis wrote: And dont tell me to get mochi or whatever cause it should be the person taking who should take two mins out of their day to let you know they took it.

I agree with Luis here. As little as I like the fact that hundreds or thousands of content stealing sites still manage to milk the Flash scene for all the ad income it's worth, mainly because people are too ignorant to realise that sites like Newgrounds which both credit the author fully, punish people who submit stolen content as a major part of site policy and don't plaster ads left right and center on their pages are out there, it's a fact, and since they're all cock slapping each other to get the most stuff swiped and plastered on their sites each day it's unrealistic to expect them to wait for permission on every one of them, particularly when a large proportion of the authors are of the 'take the sponsor money and bugger off' variety.

But the fact that they give no heads up or indication to the author whatsoever is nothing short of inconsiderate. The way most of these sites work, you'd think that games came out of vending machines or something, and vending machines where they don't have to pay shit for anything at that. I mean, last game I made ended up on something like 100 urls. Of those two e-mailed me for permission before hand. Three were submitted by me to my website or accounts, and one was my last minute sponsor. So, that's 95% of sites which didn't get in touch with me before adding the game.

Not only that, but the remainder didn't even contact me after adding it. Now I can understand them not having time to wait for authors to respond to their e-mails, sure, but what excuse is there for not at least sending an e-mail out saying something like 'Your game had been added to x. If for any reason you wish it removed, contact y and it will be dealt with promptly. We appreciate your hard work'. Even something automated would be a start. Anything other than the sweet sod all we see now.

So yeah, people who make money off of the backs of guys they don't even remotely seem to appreciate suck.

NG is a community.
Ebaums is a money-pumping machine.

Well of course I don't like what eric has done, but damn he just got a perfect start in life. He's not even 25 and now he's going to get a job while knowing that he won't experience any financial problems for the rest of his career. He's a jerk n' all that but I gotta say he's very smart, surely someone who knows how to make profit from the internet.

At 8/4/07 06:21 AM, Monkey-Boy wrote:

At 8/4/07 05:44 AM, ShirtTurtle wrote:

At 8/4/07 03:19 AM, ArthurGhostly wrote: What ever happened to this guy?

Uhh, the user of the day is so pointless now.
Without an icon to make it interesting, there's hardly any difference
between each user.
I don't even look at it anymore.

I don't even notice it anymore. Why did they take the picture away?

I know, its sad now.
I used to always check out the user of the day's page and stuff (also hoping it would be me), but now it's just another section of wasted text added to the screen.
*sigh* :(

At 8/3/07 10:59 PM, hashbrown wrote: Ebaum
I personally dont mind eric that much, ive havent seen a case of him decompliling someones flash and sticking his logo on it, or tampering with the swf an anyway.

On his site RAB 1 is on it, and he decompiled it because on the header and footer there is links to umop.com etc, but on his site it's gone.

Aah lets not discuss eBaums world.

I have a question for you. If some of you feel bad about 'stuff being stolen by ebaums and milked for your money etc etc', then how do you feel about Tom making lots of money here..?

At 8/4/07 07:08 AM, Mogly wrote: Aah lets not discuss eBaums world.

I have a question for you. If some of you feel bad about 'stuff being stolen by ebaums and milked for your money etc etc', then how do you feel about Tom making lots of money here..?

Here we subit movies knowingly, and aware that tom will make money from us. However as the site is so popular we certainly benefit too!

At 8/4/07 07:08 AM, Mogly wrote: Aah lets not discuss eBaums world.

I have a question for you. If some of you feel bad about 'stuff being stolen by ebaums and milked for your money etc etc', then how do you feel about Tom making lots of money here..?

We let him do it :P
And we know our hard work will be appreciated by the loving NG community ;)

Aye that is true WE submit, but still - hang on a minute, money's being made there right? Does that bother you atall?

It doesnt me but it's been on my mind a little. What I dont like seeing is Mindchamber having a go at sponsors and such, saying things like 'kiddies (as in we) whoring out for a quick buck', well yeah, but we're not making money here y'know?

At 8/4/07 07:20 AM, Mogly wrote: It doesnt me but it's been on my mind a little. What I dont like seeing is Mindchamber having a go at sponsors and such, saying things like 'kiddies (as in we) whoring out for a quick buck', well yeah, but we're not making money here y'know?

Problem is, a 'quick buck' means alot more to us than to him ;D But I agree 100% with you!

At 8/4/07 07:20 AM, Mogly wrote: Aye that is true WE submit, but still - hang on a minute, money's being made there right? Does that bother you atall?

It's not the money so much as the total lack of appreciation. I don't have any problem with sites which ask for permission, or at least show some indication of appreciation or awareness of the author. It's the cynical 'games go in, cash comes out' sites which get me. Sites which seem to see game authors as mindless robots which don't need any acknowledgement.

It doesnt me but it's been on my mind a little. What I dont like seeing is Mindchamber having a go at sponsors and such, saying things like 'kiddies (as in we) whoring out for a quick buck', well yeah, but we're not making money here y'know?

To be fair to Cptn Bitchy, there does seem to be a large saturation of uninspired games made mainly or solely for sponsor money. It's usually fairly apparent which authors make games for money and which ones gain sponsorships as a little bonus money for something they were making anyway.

I dont know why Mindchamber says stupid things like that.

If we're unemployed, underaged kids who enjoy making flashs, and other people are making people out of our hard worked flashes (newgrounds, ebaums, armorgames) then surely we should get some sort of cash reward? :(

To be honest MC says alot of bullshit things... like when he was sulking about lordbling... as if that site wouldve gone anywhere anyway.

At 8/4/07 07:20 AM, Mogly wrote: Aye that is true WE submit, but still - hang on a minute, money's being made there right? Does that bother you atall?

It doesnt me but it's been on my mind a little. What I dont like seeing is Mindchamber having a go at sponsors and such, saying things like 'kiddies (as in we) whoring out for a quick buck', well yeah, but we're not making money here y'know?

it may be true that not ALL of us have seen profit from NG's success, but to say Tom's never given back would be a complete like. 10 users every month get freebies, and there are plenty of other contests that go on throughout the year that give out free stuff. Sponsorship isn't WHORING, it's' payment for a service. I want to be a graphic designer. Just because what I think I'm doing is art, doesn't mean I should feel bad for trying to make good money from it. I dunno, maybe I'm talking out my ass...

Movin' on up!

Well, I'm probably not gonna be here for a while (and just when I beat the 1000 mark). My mom got my dad's house (it involves divorce and a nursing home, blech), so in the last two days, we've moved everything to another trailer (although it be a nicer one) ten minutes up the road. This is the 5th time since school started last year that I've been involved in moving. What with moving into my dorm, moving into another dorm (by foot), moving into another dorm (by foot), and then finally coming home, it's been pretty exhausting. Then, i about 15-20 days, I'm going to have to move again to Pittsburgh. But I'm looking forward to that. Living in Oakland with good friends will be the bomb.

At 8/4/07 07:20 AM, Mogly wrote: It doesnt me but it's been on my mind a little. What I dont like seeing is Mindchamber having a go at sponsors and such, saying things like 'kiddies (as in we) whoring out for a quick buck', well yeah, but we're not making money here y'know?

I was gonna put a real long response here but i dont feel like dividing myself from the community. I dont agree with everything Mindchamber believes but its safe to say that theres a slew of developers that were born with a sponsors dick in their mouth. Tom's always made a case that theres choices out there, he never came off as a sleezebag that will do anything to keep your business (ie movies/page views etc) here... he doesnt block out armor games / competitors etc... if you want to make money go make money i dont know what the problem is.

I think the issue that mindchamber or that i have, is that kids whore themselves out cranking out the same shit everyone else is doing, saturating the scene. Lets face it, you people that do this arent in this scene because you love the medium.. youre here because you have a new xbox you need to have. Is anyone stopping you from having that mindset? not at all by all means go for it if thats what you want. Dont quit school thinking the sponsor machine is going to feed you and your future generations off the bullshit games you make tho... Kenney is prime example of what happens when you put all your faith and dreams on a sponsor making 2 min games and then have that 'easy check' suddenly pulled from you. Now youre left with mediocre games that dont at all do justice to what your potential is.. you couldnt put it in your portfolio and impress anyone for a job. Enjoy your xbox because all the work you did went for nothing in the greater scheme of life. Thats whoring. Its different from having large pricetag games sponsored and really pushing yourself and the scene to the next level. Whoring refers to people who are just leveling out because they think the scene will feed them forever and its dangerous for you to even think that to be honest.

At 8/4/07 07:26 AM, Edvin wrote:

At 8/4/07 07:20 AM, Mogly wrote: It doesnt me but it's been on my mind a little. What I dont like seeing is Mindchamber having a go at sponsors and such, saying things like 'kiddies (as in we) whoring out for a quick buck', well yeah, but we're not making money here y'know?

Problem is, a 'quick buck' means alot more to us than to him ;D But I agree 100% with you!

Furthermore, NG runs its business with a different angle than other sites. You have to realize that the minute you step into the front door.

The site is more community based, it gains your pageviews/visits by nurturing and encouraging you to create and express yourself.

Heres your userpage for you to share your opinion on, heres some forums to bitch about sponsors, heres tutorials to get you started with flash, heres links on where you can buy flash, heres preloaders so your movie preloads, heres an audio portal for you to find audio, heres a portal for you to share your things with an audience waiting to see it.

Its a different mindset, and theres some people who dig that and get into the site for years and years like me, and theres others that figure hey theres no money im leaving.

For those that leave, theres a site built for THAT mindset too.. for instance theres some sites that reward you with money and prizes for being more active on the site, they arent so much interested in the things NG is interested in for getting you inside the door. Thats totally fine, its simply a different business angle to gain your business. The are built and succeed because they cover a niche that ng doesnt. You have to see it all as a business, different businesses use different business models. Some pay you to visit and submit, some are more about investing alot on the tools for expressing yourself and hoping that in turn you will be motivated enough to submit. But i mean nobody at ng twists your arm for it, you could waltz in take audio from the AP, rip the code from their preloaders, etc etc and not submit to the portal at all.

Moving across topics, here's a nice exploding vampire class. It's meant for smaller objects really so, disregard lag.

I haven't felt this psyched up about making a game since I started Flash, and not I've not a reasonable level of experience to back it up :D Anyone else feel like this when starting to learn a new technique or scripting language or whatever?

I'll see about whoring out the intro animation when I get it done :D :D :D

At 8/4/07 11:53 AM, Paranoia wrote: I'll see about whoring out the intro animation when I get it done :D :D :D

I can do that too...

with about 500 tweens