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I came.
I saw.
I posted.

And now the world will always remember me, suck on that!

At 9/28/06 05:25 PM, Barbeq wrote: And now the world will always remember me, suck on that!

Yeah, not really.

<3 :P

At 9/28/06 05:25 PM, Barbeq wrote: now the world will always remember me, suck on that!

Did someone say something?

At 9/28/06 05:05 PM, jmtb02 wrote: I feel old here. I stated using Flash 5 when I was 15, and I am now 20.

If it's any consolation, Luis and I still have seniority.

At 9/28/06 05:56 PM, NegativeONE wrote:

At 9/28/06 05:05 PM, jmtb02 wrote: I feel old here. I stated using Flash 5 when I was 15, and I am now 20.

If it's any consolation, Luis and I still have seniority.

almost 27 years old... youngins.

Not to go moderatly off topic, but Johnny I sent you a PM ages ago on a game idea, not sure if you ever got it ~

At 9/28/06 05:58 PM, Johnny wrote:

At 9/28/06 05:56 PM, NegativeONE wrote:

At 9/28/06 05:05 PM, jmtb02 wrote: I feel old here. I stated using Flash 5 when I was 15, and I am now 20.

If it's any consolation, Luis and I still have seniority.

almost 27 years old... youngins.

when do you turn 27 anyway?

At 9/28/06 05:58 PM, Johnny wrote: almost 27 years old... youngins.

Actually, Id say, you = oldies.

At 9/28/06 06:17 PM, Blaze wrote:

At 9/28/06 05:58 PM, Johnny wrote: almost 27 years old... youngins.

Actually, Id say, you = oldies.

They'll be dead soon.

Hey, does anyone know how a video like this would be made? I'm not talking about all the pre stuff, i'm talking about afterwards, when they have captured the footage of the band playing and wanted to trace it. I don't think it was made in flash, but then what was it made in?

- Kasabian - Shoot the runna

At 9/28/06 05:25 PM, Barbeq wrote: I came.
I saw.
I posted.

And now the world will always remember me, suck on that!

Yes! Face from the past is back in action.

the only thing i dont like about this is trying to look for debates. kinda hard to find when a new one is started. it would probably be better if the start of all debates were completely bolded, making them easy to spot...i dunno, thought it would help.

4 pages in 7 hours.

You gurs need to get out more.

Also Johnny K is really old <3

At 9/28/06 06:40 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: 4 pages in 7 hours.

You gurs need to get out more.

Also Johnny K is really old <3

Aren't you suposed to be gone? ;)

At 9/28/06 06:44 PM, JoystickX wrote: Aren't you suposed to be gone? ;)

Not gone, just around less.

I'm just gonna be posting late at night when I drunk. (like now)

I've been drinking since 5PM (it's now midnite).

TFRL? K.

Here's a question, what classes should one take in high school/college if they want to pursue a career in Flash or animation, or some related field like graphic design?

At 9/28/06 06:53 PM, animoney wrote: TFRL? K.

Here's a question, what classes should one take in high school/college if they want to pursue a career in Flash or animation, or some related field like graphic design?

i for one am taking a computer class every single day until school ends. you should probably take art class as well, but i stopped that. i regret it now...but my computer class lets me expiriment with animatin, programming, artwork and 3D. so its fun.

and i go to nation animation competitions through my comp class. that should help.

At 9/28/06 06:53 PM, animoney wrote: TFRL? K.

Here's a question, what classes should one take in high school/college if they want to pursue a career in Flash or animation, or some related field like graphic design?

Nothing to do with the program.

By the time the course is useful to you, the programs likely dated. I suggest for both animation and graphic design traditional arts courses, life drawing, ect. No one wants life drawing, but everyone needs it. Also, I say tradtional animation because it's better to learn to just plain animate, that way you can use any program, with the same results.

At 9/28/06 06:53 PM, animoney wrote: Here's a question, what classes should one take in high school/college if they want to pursue a career in Flash or animation, or some related field like graphic design?

Either take an Animation course, or do the course I'm doing!

This year we learn:

AS
Java
C/C++
CSS
HTML
XHTML
Photoshop

Next year we do:

Maya (3D Animation)
Video Editing
Sound Editing
SFX

God knows what we do in the final year!!

Srsly, do multimedia tech and design!

My department has got the fast internet connectin on campus: 1GB per sec, and they've got a 50TB (yes Tb) server!!

At 9/28/06 06:57 PM, JoystickX wrote: Nothing to do with the program.

By the time the course is useful to you, the programs likely dated.

thats stupid. even if a person is 1 or 2 versions behind, the newest version will not be so different they cant tranfer thier skills from to the other. Graphics company WANT people to be good at flash and photoshop. And you need portfolios to get into art school and 3D or 2D animation. And to make a portfolio you need to know the program, especialy 3D.

At 9/28/06 07:01 PM, 23450 wrote: thats stupid. even if a person is 1 or 2 versions behind, the newest version will not be so different they cant tranfer thier skills from to the other.

What about AS2.0 to AS3.0??

From what I heard theyre complewely different.

At 9/28/06 07:02 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: What about AS2.0 to AS3.0??

From what I heard theyre complewely different.

are you saying learning how to program in as 2 will not help at all in programing 3? alot of the syntax might be different, but alot of the concepts will still be there allowing you to use your AS 2 knoladge to 3.

Point being, for animation, he's better off focusing on traditonal methods behind it, not the 'it' programs currently doing it.

Obviously you need to know the program, but most people I know are self taught, it's not really hard to learn photoshop and the other programs you've mentioned. It can be difficult for some people to understand animation concepts however. You'll do better in animation career with a animation degree over whatever program it is, there's plenty of programming certification out there that they'll accept as resume material.

At 9/28/06 06:53 PM, animoney wrote: Here's a question, what classes should one take in high school/college if they want to pursue a career in Flash or animation, or some related field like graphic design?

Art - definately (I didnt and i think i should have done)
English language - im studying animation atm and my english language study has come in handy quite a few times.
Not computing - i did that and it hasnt really helped at all (unless ur going for the AS side of flash)

Mogly - not sure. but for the paint splats they probably didnt rotoscope it because it would be too tricky, they probably shot black paint on a white background (or vice versa) and then altered it digitally to add colour. I think the main bit could have been done on photoshop actually. You can save files as a filmstrip and then import into photoshop and rotoscope there for the people and composite in some other program

At 9/28/06 07:07 PM, JoystickX wrote: Point being, for animation, he's better off focusing on traditonal methods behind it, not the 'it' programs currently doing it.

Obviously you need to know the program, but most people I know are self taught, it's not really hard to learn photoshop and the other programs you've mentioned. It can be difficult for some people to understand animation concepts however. You'll do better in animation career with a animation degree over whatever program it is, there's plenty of programming certification out there that they'll accept as resume material.

and where exacly did i say i was only talking about programming? and when the hell did photshop become an easy program to learn!!! am i missing something? there is nothing wrong with being a computer animator. learning how to do it will only be a posotive, nothing "bad" can come from it really. traditional might be respected more, but i wouldn't go as far to say traditional animators unerstand animation concepts better then computer animators do. i see lots of concepts used in computer animation.

At 9/28/06 07:05 PM, 23450 wrote: are you saying learning how to program in as 2 will not help at all in programing 3? alot of the syntax might be different, but alot of the concepts will still be there allowing you to use your AS 2 knoladge to 3.

Well yeah, obviously knowing any langauge will help you pick up others quicker ;) what I was saying was is that isn't as3 much more like a progrmaing langauge , rayher than a scripting langauge, so you'd still have to learn lots of new code etc, and employeers would preffer as3 scripters to as2 ones.

anywaY:

fuck employers, it;s all about beeing free-lance!!

At 9/28/06 07:11 PM, 23450 wrote:

At 9/28/06 07:07 PM, JoystickX wrote: Point being, for animation, he's better off focusing on traditonal methods behind it, not the 'it' programs currently doing it.

Obviously you need to know the program, but most people I know are self taught, it's not really hard to learn photoshop and the other programs you've mentioned. It can be difficult for some people to understand animation concepts however. You'll do better in animation career with a animation degree over whatever program it is, there's plenty of programming certification out there that they'll accept as resume material.

and where exacly did i say i was only talking about programming? and when the hell did photshop become an easy program to learn!!! am i missing something? there is nothing wrong with being a computer animator. learning how to do it will only be a posotive, nothing "bad" can come from it really. traditional might be respected more, but i wouldn't go as far to say traditional animators unerstand animation concepts better then computer animators do. i see lots of concepts used in computer animation.

Worded it wrong, excuse me. I meant to say program certified. You really don't need a degree in specific programs such as Photoshop, to be considered adequit in it by employers.

Photoshop and Flash courses, from my experience, are incredibly slow paced for what people taking them probably know about the program, I said they were often self taught programs. I'm not saying anything against computer animators, what I'm saying is, it will do someone better to know how to ANIMATE then knowing how to 'animate' in _____. I had an instructor staffed on Family Guy's animation, and I'm just spitting back the exact advice he gave us, don't rely on any program for animation, rely on underlaying techniques. That's why Preston Blaire's book is still so widely refered to and reccomended.

Traditional animators I can guaruntee know more about animation then the majority of computer animators because there's very little shortcuts available, such as tweens, filters, ect. The methods we use now, were invented BY traditional animators. When I say tradtional animation courses, I don't mean restrict yourself to paper and a light box. I mean learn about squashing, timing, steps, and the other fundimentals.

At 9/28/06 07:18 PM, JoystickX wrote: what I'm saying is, it will do someone better to know how to ANIMATE then knowing how to 'animate' in _____.

Entirely right. If you know how to use every button in 3DS Max but cant animate a decent walk cycle to save your life, they dont wanna know about it.
Also, being able to draw is useful whichever end of animation you're heading for 3D, stop motion or 2D.

At 9/28/06 07:14 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: anywaY:

fuck employers, it;s all about beeing free-lance!!

I spent a year doing freelance, and you'd think itd be a sweet gig to wake up and work in your underwear and its not bad but i realized it wasnt for me. I found that most of the time I was doing administrative stuff to keep my freelance business affloat rather than actually doing the work... things like keep track of invoices and outvoices and writing things off for tax exemptions (which was great! I miss it) and just really marketting yourself and keeping client relations in the green.

Freelancing for me ended up being 70% administrative and 30% actual freelance. I think that if you start off doing freelance, the best thing to do is get a creative agency to pick you up and market you for you, itll save you from having to be a jack of all trades which is very stressful.

Then aside from administative theres the issue of being very responsible. One of the hardest things for me was to get myself in a mode where i would take it seriously enough to treat it like my job.. its just too tempting having your bed right there and the tv and the xbox ... etc etc.

I think freelancing is best when you've already earned your stripes in the work force, once you know have developed business relationships and know what the work environment is like ... freelancing then feels natural because you have been in the trenches and now possess the knowledge and experience to be able to manage yourself and a small staff if necessary.

I see myself returning to freelance once i'm at an art director level. I'd also like to be a college teacher someday.

I see myself returning to freelance once i'm at an art director level. I'd also like to be a college teacher someday.

Hopefully you do, I'm in college in two years and I'd love to have you as a teacher :)

Though, I still haven't decided where I'm going... I'm thinking RISD, or Cal Arts.

At 9/28/06 06:59 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: This year we learn:

My college has a 200Tb server (two of them, one hundred each) and we are doing flash, making films in general, photoshop and a bunch of other shit.