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At 10/28/09 09:52 AM, Saza wrote: So yesterday I had to format my Mac partition due to a corrupt filesystem. I switched a few times between Mac and Windows to play Warcraft 3 and Company of Heroes, and apparently doing it too much without letting it shut down properly can cause errors.

I spent about 3 days trying to save my files with no success :(

Meh, I had the same thing while trying to install windows on my mac, erased everything... I'm not planning on trying to install it again.

At 10/28/09 09:52 AM, Saza wrote: So to all Mac users, shut down properly and run Disk warrior/Disk utility every couple of weeks to catch errors before they get out of hand.

I think that applies for both Macs and PCs. I've had a good number of hard drives fail on both. Although it's much harder to replace them in Macs.

John Peel RIP.

Sorry for the doublepost. I should clarify...John is my cousin, not the famous UK DJ, even though he dies around this time too. :(

At 10/27/09 01:04 PM, liaaaam wrote:

:Left 4 Dead 2 is also of a lot of interest to me because I did like the first, it's just I can't justify paying that amount of money for a small upgrade, so I plan to pick it up when Steam discounts it (which is inevitable within the next few months).. and try the demo when it's publicly available.

small upgrade? dude, if this were a small upgrade valve would've just made it a DLC. There was too much stuff they added for it to be DLC, so they decided to make it a sequel. There's sooooo much stuff i could describe to you thats different but im not gonna because i dont think anyone else really cares.

pm me tho for info

At 10/28/09 12:06 PM, fluffkomix wrote: small upgrade? dude, if this were a small upgrade valve would've just made it a DLC. There was too much stuff they added for it to be DLC, so they decided to make it a sequel. There's sooooo much stuff i could describe to you thats different but im not gonna because i dont think anyone else really cares.

I know all of the stuff that is different in the sequel but in my opinion L4D wasn't even a full game to begin with, and this is just an improvement on that :/ The only thing (literally) that piques my interest about L4D2 is the melee weapons. I'm not paying £25 for something I don't think is worth it. I picked up L4D for about £17 and even that is overpriced in my opinion for what little there was in it.

At 10/28/09 12:40 PM, liaaaam wrote: I know all of the stuff that is different in the sequel but in my opinion L4D wasn't even a full game to begin with, and this is just an improvement on that :/ The only thing (literally) that piques my interest about L4D2 is the melee weapons. I'm not paying £25 for something I don't think is worth it. I picked up L4D for about £17 and even that is overpriced in my opinion for what little there was in it.

Really? I found the game quite full. Maybe a bit repetitive but overall it was a worthy game.

Has anyone played Splosion Man for XBA yet? Such an amazing game.

I won l4d2 so it's all goood :3. But i agree with liam in some aspects, but i think what's holding valve back now is the engine. Source is very outdated, and for some reason (although it can do it) they aren't intergrating paralax mapping, advanced shaders or proper multi core support.I'm hoping the long wait for ep3 means they are doing something big to the engine, but we'll have to see.

Anyway, i liked l4d1, i agree it got a bit repetitive, but tf2 would have as well if it weren't for the amazing slew of updates.

l4d2 demo finally coming tonight? I had the game fully preloaded so I could play it as soon as it goes live, and sure enough now it's "pre-loading" it again except it's at 33% and it takes like 5 minutes for 1% at 800kBps. I'm gonna buy the necessary resources incase it is released tonight. let's get at least 4 people from newgrounds so we can have one NG team.

sorry about all this l4d spam for those of you who aren't interested in gaming. it will end tomorrow after we all post about how incredibly awesome the game is (probably)

I have a L4D2 Demo server live, London. If anyone wants to join in, sure thing! Just got to wait 2 hours and 16 mins! The demo is pretty good apparently, the new infected etc. are great.

Regarding the L4D/L4D2 situation, I disagree entirely. Sure, L4D could have been better but it was most definitely a full game. I played well over 100 hours of it and I base value on enjoyment, price and time had from it. I paid £25 for L4D, if I can get 25 hours for £25 that's a brilliant deal, there are a huge amount of shit games right now that cost >£30 and play for about 3 hours, Call of duty 4/5 being perfect examples.

A company has to make money, they can't spend an entire year building a brand new game only to release it as free downloadable content because a small group of whiney gamers can't handle a couple of extra £. The entire L4D2 boycott was ridiculous and I'm glad the people who ran it realised it and ended it.

At 10/28/09 12:40 PM, liaaaam wrote: I know all of the stuff that is different in the sequel but in my opinion L4D wasn't even a full game to begin with, and this is just an improvement on that :/ The only thing (literally) that piques my interest about L4D2 is the melee weapons. I'm not paying £25 for something I don't think is worth it. I picked up L4D for about £17 and even that is overpriced in my opinion for what little there was in it.

L4D is a fun game, but is somewhat lacking, especially when compared to Valve's much 'richer' multiplayer title Team Fortress 2. Someone's telling me as I write this about all of the new things in Left 4 Dead 2 (Riot Officer infected, new items and things), and they sound really interesting - but I can't help but shake the feeling that these aren't actually brilliant extensions of the first game, but rather mechanics that should have been there to begin with.
I don't know, there's just this feeling of slight disappointment when I think of Left 4 Dead. Overhype, probably.

At 10/28/09 12:46 PM, Saza wrote: Has anyone played Splosion Man for XBA yet? Such an amazing game.

I played the demo, and I had so much fun. It's high on my list of "games to buy"; probably below Braid though.

Recently I discovered that, following recent findings such as "my girlfriend loves Phoenix Wright and Professor Layton games" (she's not usually a big fan of logic), my girlfriend also likes role-playing games. She played through the entirety of Fable 2 (the henchman system meant that I could play at the same time) and, despite getting dreadfully scared by most of the enemies, she quite enjoyed it.
I recently let her try Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, which is a much darker title, and she was scared half to death. It didn't help that we also discovered that she can't deal with a manual camera (neither first or third person), and so most of the time was left unable to see or attack enemies, which certainly contributed to the whole fear thing.
Still, very funny to watch your girlfriend screaming and tapping random buttons at the sight of a giant rat.

At 10/28/09 01:46 PM, citricsquid wrote: I have a L4D2 Demo server live, London. If anyone wants to join in, sure thing! Just got to wait 2 hours and 16 mins! The demo is pretty good apparently, the new infected etc. are great.

Regarding the L4D/L4D2 situation, I disagree entirely. Sure, L4D could have been better but it was most definitely a full game. I played well over 100 hours of it and I base value on enjoyment, price and time had from it. I paid £25 for L4D, if I can get 25 hours for £25 that's a brilliant deal, there are a huge amount of shit games right now that cost >£30 and play for about 3 hours, Call of duty 4/5 being perfect examples.

A company has to make money, they can't spend an entire year building a brand new game only to release it as free downloadable content because a small group of whiney gamers can't handle a couple of extra £. The entire L4D2 boycott was ridiculous and I'm glad the people who ran it realised it and ended it.

First of all, LOL you think COD4 only has 3 hours of gameplay. I'm guessing you havn't played it.

I'm by no means boycotting L4D2, but I must just point out a few things which have really pissed me off about L4D. First of all, PC users get it cheaper and get all DLC for free. This to me is utter bullshit. Console users have to pay all the bills and PC users get a free ride, I don't see how that's fair in the slightest. I'm of course reffering to this Crash Course DLC, which is very shit, but costs Xbox users a few quid. Bullshit.

I'd also like to point out that due to PC users hacking the game, a lot of dev time is spent fixing things which only affect the PC version, and yet they still pay less...

L4D2, as far as I can see, is a major inprovement on the first, so it's by no means not worth the cash, the problem I have with it is the fact that PC users will continue to freeload off Xbox users. Bottom line is, it makes me angry when we have to pay for the DLC and PC users get it free, and if I buy L4D2 then I'm going to feel that anger again whether I like it or not, and believe it or not, I don't like being angry.

So that's the only reason I'd think twice before buying it

At 10/28/09 01:59 PM, Rustygames wrote: First of all, LOL you think COD4 only has 3 hours of gameplay. I'm guessing you havn't played it.

Played it, completed it, it was okay but far from super duper fun.

I'm by no means boycotting L4D2, but I must just point out a few things which have really pissed me off about L4D. First of all, PC users get it cheaper and get all DLC for free. This to me is utter bullshit. Console users have to pay all the bills and PC users get a free ride, I don't see how that's fair in the slightest. I'm of course reffering to this Crash Course DLC, which is very shit, but costs Xbox users a few quid. Bullshit.

FYI Valve are primarily a computer game company, they don't focus on consoles. Furthermore, it's microsoft who set the pricing, microsoft don't let them release free DLC for the xbox, so uh, blame them not Valve.

I'd also like to point out that due to PC users hacking the game, a lot of dev time is spent fixing things which only affect the PC version, and yet they still pay less...

once again, valve is a computer company. The majority of their success is down to the freedom we computer gamers have, I mean take a look at any of their games and the modding community is massive, gmod is a perfect example.

L4D2, as far as I can see, is a major inprovement on the first, so it's by no means not worth the cash, the problem I have with it is the fact that PC users will continue to freeload off Xbox users. Bottom line is, it makes me angry when we have to pay for the DLC and PC users get it free, and if I buy L4D2 then I'm going to feel that anger again whether I like it or not, and believe it or not, I don't like being angry.

So that's the only reason I'd think twice before buying it

I assume either you're joking or you're.... I don't know. Valve don't give a shit about consoles, it means nothing to them, seriously, they're doing it because they're wanted to. Gabe has said he hates consoles for development and they refuse to develop for the ps3 after the massive failure of the orange box on that (IIRC).

We're not freeloading of you, we made Valve the company that they are. Furthermore, LOLFPSONCONSOLE. Enjoy subpar gaming.

Ok I'll try not to get into the debate of PC vs Console (which just boils down to confort + stability vs visuals and accuracy) so I'll ignore those comments.

Valve must care about consoles since it's where the majority of their L4D profit is coming from. Bottom line is Xbox users ARE paying for this thing to be made, if the game wasn't on the consoles it wouldn't be as popular and L4D2 probably wouldn't have been made so fast or maybe not at all.

At 10/28/09 02:09 PM, Rustygames wrote: Valve must care about consoles since it's where the majority of their L4D profit is coming from. Bottom line is Xbox users ARE paying for this thing to be made, if the game wasn't on the consoles it wouldn't be as popular and L4D2 probably wouldn't have been made so fast or maybe not at all.

oh god you must be trying to annoy me, you must be. Please show me where you get these figures from, Valve are only doing xbox games "because they can", they could stop when they liked and they would lose fuck all. Xbox does not account for any substantial amount of their profits. Valve are and always will be and always have been a computer company, consoles are "eh, whatever, we can't lose out if we try". How many people are on L4D right now on xbox? 16k playing on PC right now. Their steam platform right now has 1.64MILLION users logged in, as in, their accounts are logged in.

Their game counter strike source has 80,817 players IN GAME right now, if xbox was where their profit came from why didn't they port that over? The steam forums, which are also the valve forums, have a section for the game on xbox and a section for the game on PC. The xbox section has 18,000 posts in total, the PC section has 890,000. I'd love to see you explain how that works.

I hope to god you're trying to troll (although that word sucks) because otherwise you have no idea, you really don't. Valve will never care enough about consoles to make them their primary source of income.

At 10/28/09 02:17 PM, citricsquid wrote: The xbox section has 18,000 posts in total, the PC section has 890,000. I'd love to see you explain how that works.

PC gamers are on computers. Forums are on computers.
Console gamers are on consoles. Forums can be on consoles but no-one really goes on forums on their console.

Average laziness of gamers > Effort to walk to computer, log on to forum and ask "Haii guyz, let's kill zombehs!!!".

At 10/28/09 02:23 PM, Deadclever23 wrote: PC gamers are on computers. Forums are on computers.
Console gamers are on consoles. Forums can be on consoles but no-one really goes on forums on their console.

Average laziness of gamers > Effort to walk to computer, log on to forum and ask "Haii guyz, let's kill zombehs!!!".

My brother is an xbox 360 user, he plays on his xbox 360. He doesn't play on his PC, he plays on his xbox 360. Okay, got that, he's an Xbox 360 player. Now what does he do when he wants to discuss the games that he plays? He goes onto his computer and uses forums for those games. Are you trying to imply that someone who plays xbox 360 games never uses the internet for forums? That's a stupid argument, I quite clearly see Liam who is posting here plays xbox 360 and uh, this is a forum, isn't it?

Reg lounge invade, sorry Luis :(

At 10/28/09 02:29 PM, citricsquid wrote:
My brother is an xbox 360 user,

Nice.

he plays on his xbox 360.

Nice

He doesn't play on his PC,

Shame.

he plays on his xbox 360.

Nice

Okay, got that, he's an Xbox 360 player.

Really?

Now what does he do when he wants to discuss the games that he plays?

Cry because he's just so alone?

He goes onto his computer and uses forums for those games.

Good substitute for human contact.

Are you trying to imply that someone who plays xbox 360 games never uses the internet for forums?

No.

That's a stupid argument, I quite clearly see Liam who is posting here plays xbox 360 and uh, this is a forum, isn't it?

Can't prove it is.

Anyway the thing is I'm just saying if you're on a computer the forums are right in front of you, on a console you think "Well I'm playing now, I'll do it later."

At 10/28/09 01:46 PM, citricsquid wrote: Regarding the L4D/L4D2 situation, I disagree entirely. Sure, L4D could have been better but it was most definitely a full game. I played well over 100 hours of it and I base value on enjoyment, price and time had from it. I paid £25 for L4D, if I can get 25 hours for £25 that's a brilliant deal, there are a huge amount of shit games right now that cost >£30 and play for about 3 hours, Call of duty 4/5 being perfect examples.

I played WoW over 200 days, true story. (and 200 days means 4800 hours, not 200 days since i started). Usually I don't bother buying those games that cost 60 euros and play for 3 hours. Crysis is a perfect example of that. I finished Crysis warhead in about 2 hours and a half if i remember correctly, good thing I just bought Warhead and not the other one. I usually just torrent those kind of games.

I'm curious about console players, what makes it more enjoyable than PC? I'm perfectly comfortable here on my PC chair and I've been using keyboads ever since I played the original Rayman at 5 years of age. Also it's not like the game would look much better on a TV, I'm quite happy with my 22" LCD. Anything bigger would just

This argument will last 4,000,000,000,000,000 pages so just stop now.

I tend to get racing games for the console, as joysticks have different levels of pressure which you use to steer, but i prefer the accuracy of 3000dpi on the pc for fpss.

Gaming controversy

Anyone seen the new footage of call of duty modern warfare 2? One of the levels is you basically massacring civilians in an airport, i'm guessing as part of a terrorist organization. Now i personally think that's fine, the whole thing looks very grim and isn't glorified or cleaned in anyway. And if you are the type of person that imitates whatever you see then it is your mental status that should be questioned.

Movies and books have always had examples where the reader is put in the bad guys body, i think it's about time that the same was done for games.

At 10/28/09 02:45 PM, Depredation wrote: Movies and books have always had examples where the reader is put in the bad guys body, i think it's about time that the same was done for games.

Really? It's been ten years since GTA.

Fucking hell I've struck a nerve. Fine you're right, people spend more time / money playing PC games

At 10/28/09 02:52 PM, Rustygames wrote: Fucking hell I've struck a nerve. Fine you're right, people spend more time / money playing PC games

No, I just find it hilarious that you're saying xbox matters to valve more than PC and we're freeloading off you. L4D sold ~700,000 copies on xbox, over 2.3MILLION on PC and that's retail, that doesn't include steam sales which is most likely also into the millions. The evidence points to PC making more money for valve through gaming, not xbox. You also totally ignored my points about microsoft being the ones to charge for DLC, not valve, but I guess I'll ignore that as you clearly don't have a clue about what you're saying.

also arguing no more because Luis will get angry.

Like I said, I don't want to argue because you're getting close to insulting my intelligence, so let's just agree to disagree.

At 10/28/09 02:58 PM, Rustygames wrote: Like I said, I don't want to argue because you're getting close to insulting my intelligence, so let's just agree to disagree.

but you're wrong.

At 10/28/09 02:52 PM, GustTheASGuy wrote: Really? It's been ten years since GTA.

If you see the footage it's not the same as gta, it's not light hearted and comical. Some games have had this sort of thing before, but this seems more visceral than previously.

At 10/28/09 02:59 PM, citricsquid wrote:

At 10/28/09 02:58 PM, Rustygames wrote: Like I said, I don't want to argue because you're getting close to insulting my intelligence, so let's just agree to disagree.

but you're wrong.

What a mature way of arguing.

I think now I should say "No your wrong, and you smell".

At 10/28/09 02:17 PM, citricsquid wrote: Their game counter strike source has 80,817 players IN GAME right now, if xbox was where their profit came from why didn't they port that over?

They did, ages ago. Counter Strike isn't a console game - the only game play element is multiplayer and even that isn't anything special. It was released (on console) at a time when multiplayer wasn't huge, so it didn't do very well. I think that was on original Xbox.

The steam forums, which are also the valve forums, have a section for the game on xbox and a section for the game on PC. The xbox section has 18,000 posts in total, the PC section has 890,000. I'd love to see you explain how that works.

Well, see, PC gamers are using a PC.. console gamers are using a console. The 360 doesn't even have a web browser so there is absolutely no way or reason for Xbox owners to go onto the L4D forums without having to go to their PC, in which case they might as well buy the superior (and better supported) PC version.

At 10/28/09 01:46 PM, citricsquid wrote: Call of duty 4/5 being perfect examples.

Call of Duty 4 wasn't long but it was definitely over 3 hours - about 7, maybe 5 on the second play through. The online was the killer for both those games (though I'm not a fan of CoD5). I've spent over 20 days on Call of Duty 4, that's game time so about 500 hours. I totally respect your opinion on L4D, I just wasn't a fan of the style of the game.. the gameplay gets boring mid-campaign for me, though I do enjoy Versus I just wish there was more to it.. some reason to play. I never play now, only ever really did with friends (I've probably also spent about 50-100 hours also in that respect) but even then I was just playing it because my friends were. I always saw it's flaws (the uninteresting campaigns, the shit weapons, etc).

At 10/28/09 03:06 PM, liaaaam wrote: They did, ages ago. Counter Strike isn't a console game - the only game play element is multiplayer and even that isn't anything special. It was released (on console) at a time when multiplayer wasn't huge, so it didn't do very well. I think that was on original Xbox.

Really? heh, didn't know that :D

Well, see, PC gamers are using a PC.. console gamers are using a console. The 360 doesn't even have a web browser so there is absolutely no way or reason for Xbox owners to go onto the L4D forums without having to go to their PC, in which case they might as well buy the superior (and better supported) PC version.

unless my brother (as outlined a few posts back) is a magical case, I don't see how that's an issue. They're entirely different, the majority of xbox players use a computer also so if they care about the game enough to play it lots they care about it enough to discuss it online. Maybe it's different, but in my experience that's the case.

At 10/28/09 01:46 PM, citricsquid wrote:

Call of Duty 4 wasn't long but it was definitely over 3 hours - about 7, maybe 5 on the second play through. The online was the killer for both those games (though I'm not a fan of CoD5). I've spent over 20 days on Call of Duty 4, that's game time so about 500 hours. I totally respect your opinion on L4D, I just wasn't a fan of the style of the game.. the gameplay gets boring mid-campaign for me, though I do enjoy Versus I just wish there was more to it.. some reason to play. I never play now, only ever really did with friends (I've probably also spent about 50-100 hours also in that respect) but even then I was just playing it because my friends were. I always saw it's flaws (the uninteresting campaigns, the shit weapons, etc).

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/sh owthread.php?t=1001772 ;)

At 10/28/09 03:06 PM, Deadclever23 wrote: What a mature way of arguing.

I think now I should say "No your wrong, and you smell".

Please explain how it's immature. He presented his side of the argument, I countered it with my disagreement and explained what I meant, he countered, I countered he then said "let's just agree to disagree". That's the biggest cop-out for an argument, ever, if you can't or aren't willing to argue your side or admit you're wrong, what's the point? if I go into an argument I expect to either: be right and persuade the other person I am, or be wrong and be persuaded I am wrong. I don't expect the other person to go "actually, I'm probably wrong, but I won't bother arguing so let's just agree that we have a different opinion!". We're arguing fact, we both can't be right.

At 10/28/09 03:15 PM, citricsquid wrote: Please explain how it's immature. He presented his side of the argument, I countered it with my disagreement and explained what I meant, he countered, I countered he then said "let's just agree to disagree". That's the biggest cop-out for an argument, ever, if you can't or aren't willing to argue your side or admit you're wrong, what's the point? if I go into an argument I expect to either: be right and persuade the other person I am, or be wrong and be persuaded I am wrong. I don't expect the other person to go "actually, I'm probably wrong, but I won't bother arguing so let's just agree that we have a different opinion!". We're arguing fact, we both can't be right.

Because you can't just say someone's wrong without any evidence. You've provided evidence but with this statement you've provided no new evidence. Evidence strengthens this statements point, without it you seem like an illogical douchebag.