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At 8/25/09 03:42 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: stuff

Sounds reasonable I guess :)

Your game for instance, I'd imaging ~750 would be the high ceiling for what you could get for that if you stretched the pitch

That is actually in the interval I was thinking, when the artist asked me for an estimate as we started the hunt I believe I told him $600-800, and because of the seemingly low interest for the game we have currently set a 'buy now' price at FGL for $600. I also sent out another email to the sponsors who didn't reply the first time around, announcing this, but nothing after a couple of days.

Oh well, no matter how this turns out it can't really be seen as a very big loss since the "max value" isn't very high. Even though that $100-bid involved letting us have ads on the game, I would probably rather want to release it with just the ads and keep the possibility for selling non-exclusives, pretty much for the reasons you say small games get sponsored: $100 (divided on several people) is barely nothing, and despite being unlikely the game might become a smaller hit and get sponsors interested in licensing it.

Hmmmm i doubbbbbbt you could beat me at RB drums. But i only have RB1, not RB2. And for GH:WT i have 2 bass pedals and a headphone splitter. And i CAN do Expert +. But i think thats because i can actually play drums and guitar in real life.

/endbrag

At 8/25/09 04:31 PM, Blackfang wrote: Hmmmm i doubbbbbbt you could beat me at RB drums. But i only have RB1, not RB2. And for GH:WT i have 2 bass pedals and a headphone splitter. And i CAN do Expert +. But i think thats because i can actually play drums and guitar in real life.

/endbrag

I can do expert drums on GH, haven't played in a while since the fucking red broke again. I can only do a few songs on guitar expert. Funny since I play guitar better than drums in real life...

At 8/25/09 04:31 PM, Blackfang wrote: Hmmmm i doubbbbbbt you could beat me at RB drums. But i only have RB1, not RB2. And for GH:WT i have 2 bass pedals and a headphone splitter. And i CAN do Expert +. But i think thats because i can actually play drums and guitar in real life.

/endbrag

do you have an xbox?

At 8/25/09 04:33 PM, Saza wrote: I can do expert drums on GH, haven't played in a while since the fucking red broke again. I can only do a few songs on guitar expert. Funny since I play guitar better than drums in real life...

Yeah me too, i play guitar better than drums.

And yeah, i have an xbox but its my brothers and hes a dick. Meaning he wont let me play it.

At 8/25/09 03:42 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote:

At 8/25/09 03:22 PM, knugen wrote: All this brings me to my original question; did sponsors' approach to smaller games change at some point?

No, average price of sponsorships has shot up for mid to large games though so people's perspective on small game sponsorships are skewed.

Project monochrome got me $300 when it was released in like 2005 or whatever

Closure got me (my share after paying jon his share) i think like 4k, plus a free speaker pass to GDC ($2500 value), and probably about, i dunno, 2k in misc prize and ad money (and some other stuff too like invaluable business relationships).

sponsors generally dont like their sponsorees sharing amounts of money they got under and over the table on the open air. Most games sponsored have custom prices tailored specifically to the game they are buying. Some end up being good investments and some bad ones.
Its a slippery slope, because on the one hand as a community member you figure its something that the public has a right to know but on the other it ruins business relationships with your sponsor so as a professional its probably a bad idea to get on a pedestal and talk about your financial negotiations. Some sponsors include that in the fine print of the paper work also.

I'd say the gaming scene is decievingly lucrative. So if youre on the verge of quitting school or your job because youre under the impression its a gold mine out there, then i'd be careful with how naive you are.

At 8/25/09 05:29 PM, Luis wrote: I'd say the gaming scene is decievingly lucrative. So if youre on the verge of quitting school or your job because youre under the impression its a gold mine out there, then i'd be careful with how naive you are.

The flash scene is really crazily inconsistent and unstable to make good money in, if you actually look at the figures i quoted compared to the time I put into the games, most would actually be like... below minimum wage

But you get paid for a hobby which is always good

At 8/25/09 05:55 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote:

At 8/25/09 05:29 PM, Luis wrote: I'd say the gaming scene is decievingly lucrative. So if youre on the verge of quitting school or your job because youre under the impression its a gold mine out there, then i'd be careful with how naive you are.

The flash scene is really crazily inconsistent and unstable to make good money in, if you actually look at the figures i quoted compared to the time I put into the games, most would actually be like... below minimum wage

But you get paid for a hobby which is always good

That's the way I think of it. I'm 15 right now, 16 in a few months which will be when I can get a part time job. And even though most 13 - 15 year olds get paper rounds for like £10 a week, I think thats a bit shit.

It's a hobby, I learn more as I do it and it's nice to show people and get good feedback/criticism.

Character

I colored my character. What do you think? I might add more shading.

yes hes supposed to be faceless...for now.

At 8/25/09 06:57 PM, Blackfang wrote: Character

I colored my character. What do you think? I might add more shading.

yes hes supposed to be faceless...for now.

Looks good, can't wait to see him animated.

What ideas you got for this platformer then?

At 8/25/09 06:57 PM, Blackfang wrote: Character

I colored my character. What do you think? I might add more shading.

yes hes supposed to be faceless...for now.

I refuse !

Umm make all the outlines black, it doesn't look too nice.
Also his face would be cooler being white with light grey shading.
Don't put too much shading, it'll be a bitch to animate :P
Besides that yeah awesome drawin !

At 8/25/09 06:57 PM, Blackfang wrote: Character

I colored my character. What do you think? I might add more shading.

yes hes supposed to be faceless...for now.

that is a guy wearin a condom on his head and thats all the advice ive got for you

At 8/25/09 04:31 PM, Blackfang wrote: But i think thats because i can actually play drums and guitar in real life.

I find playing guitar in real life has no benefit when playing RB. I can play Chop Suey on guitar but can't beat it on expert on RB. It's mad.

At 8/25/09 06:57 PM, Blackfang wrote: Character

I colored my character. What do you think? I might add more shading.

yes hes supposed to be faceless...for now.

awesome design, but i think he is overshaded. kinda looks like hes made of glass

At 8/25/09 07:57 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote:

At 8/25/09 04:31 PM, Blackfang wrote: But i think thats because i can actually play drums and guitar in real life.

I find playing guitar in real life has no benefit when playing RB. I can play Chop Suey on guitar but can't beat it on expert on RB. It's mad.

I'm not any good at guitar, but I've practicing every day, and yeah no gains from GH. I hate when people bash the game for it, but I don't see people arguing that call of duty is nothing like using a real gun.

I made one with all black outlines, and darker outlines. I still think i like darker outlines better.

Forgot the pic.

sorry i'm posting so much.

At 8/25/09 08:20 PM, ImpotentBoy2 wrote: I hate when people bash the game for it, but I don't see people arguing that call of duty is nothing like using a real gun.

Oh god yes. I hate that "OMG get a real instrument" bullshit. It's gay that musicians tend to hate on GH/RB. Doesn't happen with other games. All the people I know who like and play football regularly still enjoy playing Pro or Fifa.

@Blackfang, yeah the one with darker outlines looks better IMO.

At 8/25/09 08:27 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: Oh god yes. I hate that "OMG get a real instrument" bullshit. It's gay that musicians tend to hate on GH/RB. Doesn't happen with other games. All the people I know who like and play football regularly still enjoy playing Pro or Fifa.

I actually love RB and guitar hero. I could care less if you're good at that and not an instrument. It doesn't matter at all.

@Blackfang, yeah the one with darker outlines looks better IMO.

Me too, and thanks.

Ted Kennedy just died...

RIP

what's with all the deaths this summer... really...

At 8/26/09 04:52 AM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: Ted Kennedy just died...

Who?

At 8/26/09 06:55 AM, Paranoia wrote:

At 8/26/09 04:52 AM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: Ted Kennedy just died...

Who?

Some politician?

So whos going to partake in the Talk Like A Pirate Day Competition?

I already started on lazy muffins one :3

Just finished playing Another Small Favour, as Point n Click is one of my favourite genres.

It was a pretty simple game, all in all though.

Ive had this same problem with the colour chooser in Flash for as long as I can remember. Sometimes it just decides nope, I like this colour, and if you try and pick another it applys it, but reverts back to its fucking favourite colour of the day again, so you cant tweak it.

Seriously this happens in every version of Flash ive used, Windows and Mac. What are you fuckin' about at Adobe?

At 8/26/09 04:52 AM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: what's with all the deaths this summer... really...

anyone influential is dying off, i call the next will be Elton John.

At 8/26/09 11:32 AM, Jimp wrote: Ive had this same problem with the colour chooser in Flash for as long as I can remember. Sometimes it just decides nope, I like this colour, and if you try and pick another it applys it, but reverts back to its fucking favourite colour of the day again, so you cant tweak it.

Seriously this happens in every version of Flash ive used, Windows and Mac. What are you fuckin' about at Adobe?

There seem to be two sets of colour saved - the ones in the toolbox, and the ones in the colour mixer. In my experience the colour mixer one changes if you so much as highlight an area of a different colour. The toolbox one requires you to use the colour picker.

Anyway, from what I can tell, any change in a colour in either one will copy over to the other, so if you edit a gradient or swap lines and fills in the colour mixer it'll copy over to the toolbox, and vice versa. It's hard to explain - just play around with them for a bit and you'll get it.

anyone influential is dying off, i call the next will be Elton John.

That's a good guess. He's been close to death a couple of times already. I think George H.W. Bush is overdue, as well. Fucker has to be pushing 100. :)

At 8/26/09 12:00 PM, doctormario wrote:

anyone influential is dying off, i call the next will be Elton John.

That's a good guess. He's been close to death a couple of times already. I think George H.W. Bush is overdue, as well. Fucker has to be pushing 100. :)

But he'll probably live another 20 years. the trick is to pick someone very important to you who shows no signs of dying any time soon. in fact Elton John is probably gonna last longer than Johnny Depp

At 8/26/09 11:56 AM, Paranoia wrote: Anyway, from what I can tell, any change in a colour in either one will copy over to the other, so if you edit a gradient or swap lines and fills in the colour mixer it'll copy over to the toolbox, and vice versa. It's hard to explain - just play around with them for a bit and you'll get it.

yeah It gets kinda stuck every now and again though, ive learnt to live with it i just wish they would sort it out.

Sup ImpotentBoy, I still mourn the game we never finished!