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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 15:07:59 Reply

I got my school books for college, guess what was in there?

4 x 6 Bamboo Tablet
500 gig hard drive
Art supplies galore
14$ book.

I have intuos 3 6 x 8 tablet so i'm just gonna sell the bamboo lol. But i'm liking the hard drive :P

I'm finding this to be the most epic booklist EVER though, theres only 1 book! :P

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 15:22:40 Reply

At 8/25/09 02:41 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: I've played 1 game nearly exactly like it (it was a download game, couldnt remember the name though but someone compared aether to it and sent me a link and no it really didnt resemble it but it sure as hell resembled yours) and 1 flash game similar to it (not not quite the same)
http://www.adamatomic.com/gravity/

Yeah, I am not proud about it, but I certainly wont lie: A very large chunk of the concept is pretty much ripped from another game, I can't remember its name as it was a "weird" one, but it had a few significant flaws which we considered fixable. For one it was much harder than our version as the hook thingy was shot from the player (like ours), but the shooting angle was equal to the angle between the bottom of the screen and the mouse. Not intuitive at all.

Honestly, you have to ask yourself how much you think the game is worth which is a combination of how well the game can spread coupled with how fun/addicting/original it is, how much pull your name has, and how much you can promote the game. Not "well sponsors pay 1000 for games so that's what I should get for anything"

I actually do think much along those lines, even though it may not show in my posts, but of course I lack the experience that sponsors have when it comes to estimating how many views a sponsored game would need to get in order for it to be profitable. That is why I refer to previous sponsor deals when trying to figure out a suiting price tag, and that is what brings me to the conclusion that we aren't getting bids that quite corresponds to the potential of this game (note that I'm not saying it will shoot into the top 50 and get millions of views, or anything along those lines).

All this brings me to my original question; did sponsors' approach to smaller games change at some point?

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 15:26:47 Reply

At 8/25/09 03:22 PM, knugen wrote: All this brings me to my original question; did sponsors' approach to smaller games change at some point?

I think some research into how popular development is becoming would help. If there are a lot more people developing smaller games, it's going to adversely affect how much interest a single one generates. I know a lot of people who a few years ago were developing as a hobby have turned it into a job - maybe we're seeing an explosion of young, otherwise unemployed developers.


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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 15:27:18 Reply

At 8/24/09 08:05 PM, zrb wrote: This is insane, Cyclo Maniacs btw:

From what Longanimals said, they got $23k from the sponsorship+5k more if it did well on Kong(which is did) which makes $28k alone. Its gotten over 1 million views on Kong in a few days also, which with 50% revshare has to be at least $2000 more.

It took them 6 weeks to make that game, dear god !

Dont think thats right, they got offered $23k but went with the kong performance based sponsorship instead, i think :) I know he did $7k worth of licenses over the weekend though, bastard!

These kong sponsorships are goldmines if you get a hit btw, if anyone gets offered one on a game they think will do, fucking take it, even if you have high offers from other sites, so glad we turned down the $6k offer for Penguinz in the end.

Does anyone know any sites with good wall art? I have a new room and want to filll my walls with inspiration!


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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 15:36:49 Reply

At 8/25/09 03:27 PM, Jimp wrote:

Does anyone know any sites with good wall art? I have a new room and want to filll my walls with inspiration!

Honestly, paint a mural of Penguinz, gunz blazing and headbands flapping heroicly in the wind.

I would.

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 15:42:08 Reply

At 8/25/09 03:22 PM, knugen wrote: All this brings me to my original question; did sponsors' approach to smaller games change at some point?

No, average price of sponsorships has shot up for mid to large games though so people's perspective on small game sponsorships are skewed.

Project monochrome got me $300 when it was released in like 2005 or whatever

Closure got me (my share after paying jon his share) i think like 4k, plus a free speaker pass to GDC ($2500 value), and probably about, i dunno, 2k in misc prize and ad money (and some other stuff too like invaluable business relationships).

Did dan break even on project monochrome? I'm sure as hell he did. Did Tom break even on Closure? It's a much fishier situation. From a pure ad revenue standpoint there's no way he did (he'd need over a $15 CPM on the closure page to break even, which is really really tough when average CPMs are lower than $0.30)

Sponsors generally don't care too much, they need to offer big games large sponsorships if they want to keep in good standing (and viewers that come for one game often stay and play others too if there's a constant stream of content), but they do bank on the riskier chance of a small game exploding over the web and getting 10 million views a day for something that cost $500 to sponsor, and they know that if you spend less time on a game then they're more willing to accept a low sponsorship (i got $500 (split $250/$250) for Pilgrimage for instance cause haha that game was worth crap...

Your game for instance, I'd imaging ~750 would be the high ceiling for what you could get for that if you stretched the pitch

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 16:10:33 Reply

At 8/25/09 03:42 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: stuff

Sounds reasonable I guess :)

Your game for instance, I'd imaging ~750 would be the high ceiling for what you could get for that if you stretched the pitch

That is actually in the interval I was thinking, when the artist asked me for an estimate as we started the hunt I believe I told him $600-800, and because of the seemingly low interest for the game we have currently set a 'buy now' price at FGL for $600. I also sent out another email to the sponsors who didn't reply the first time around, announcing this, but nothing after a couple of days.

Oh well, no matter how this turns out it can't really be seen as a very big loss since the "max value" isn't very high. Even though that $100-bid involved letting us have ads on the game, I would probably rather want to release it with just the ads and keep the possibility for selling non-exclusives, pretty much for the reasons you say small games get sponsored: $100 (divided on several people) is barely nothing, and despite being unlikely the game might become a smaller hit and get sponsors interested in licensing it.

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 16:31:39 Reply

Hmmmm i doubbbbbbt you could beat me at RB drums. But i only have RB1, not RB2. And for GH:WT i have 2 bass pedals and a headphone splitter. And i CAN do Expert +. But i think thats because i can actually play drums and guitar in real life.

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 16:33:26 Reply

At 8/25/09 04:31 PM, Blackfang wrote: Hmmmm i doubbbbbbt you could beat me at RB drums. But i only have RB1, not RB2. And for GH:WT i have 2 bass pedals and a headphone splitter. And i CAN do Expert +. But i think thats because i can actually play drums and guitar in real life.

/endbrag

I can do expert drums on GH, haven't played in a while since the fucking red broke again. I can only do a few songs on guitar expert. Funny since I play guitar better than drums in real life...

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 16:40:52 Reply

At 8/25/09 04:31 PM, Blackfang wrote: Hmmmm i doubbbbbbt you could beat me at RB drums. But i only have RB1, not RB2. And for GH:WT i have 2 bass pedals and a headphone splitter. And i CAN do Expert +. But i think thats because i can actually play drums and guitar in real life.

/endbrag

do you have an xbox?

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 16:47:33 Reply

At 8/25/09 04:33 PM, Saza wrote: I can do expert drums on GH, haven't played in a while since the fucking red broke again. I can only do a few songs on guitar expert. Funny since I play guitar better than drums in real life...

Yeah me too, i play guitar better than drums.

And yeah, i have an xbox but its my brothers and hes a dick. Meaning he wont let me play it.

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 17:29:48 Reply

At 8/25/09 03:42 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote:
At 8/25/09 03:22 PM, knugen wrote: All this brings me to my original question; did sponsors' approach to smaller games change at some point?
No, average price of sponsorships has shot up for mid to large games though so people's perspective on small game sponsorships are skewed.

Project monochrome got me $300 when it was released in like 2005 or whatever

Closure got me (my share after paying jon his share) i think like 4k, plus a free speaker pass to GDC ($2500 value), and probably about, i dunno, 2k in misc prize and ad money (and some other stuff too like invaluable business relationships).

sponsors generally dont like their sponsorees sharing amounts of money they got under and over the table on the open air. Most games sponsored have custom prices tailored specifically to the game they are buying. Some end up being good investments and some bad ones.
Its a slippery slope, because on the one hand as a community member you figure its something that the public has a right to know but on the other it ruins business relationships with your sponsor so as a professional its probably a bad idea to get on a pedestal and talk about your financial negotiations. Some sponsors include that in the fine print of the paper work also.

I'd say the gaming scene is decievingly lucrative. So if youre on the verge of quitting school or your job because youre under the impression its a gold mine out there, then i'd be careful with how naive you are.


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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 17:55:35 Reply

At 8/25/09 05:29 PM, Luis wrote: I'd say the gaming scene is decievingly lucrative. So if youre on the verge of quitting school or your job because youre under the impression its a gold mine out there, then i'd be careful with how naive you are.

The flash scene is really crazily inconsistent and unstable to make good money in, if you actually look at the figures i quoted compared to the time I put into the games, most would actually be like... below minimum wage

But you get paid for a hobby which is always good

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 18:27:15 Reply

At 8/25/09 05:55 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote:
At 8/25/09 05:29 PM, Luis wrote: I'd say the gaming scene is decievingly lucrative. So if youre on the verge of quitting school or your job because youre under the impression its a gold mine out there, then i'd be careful with how naive you are.
The flash scene is really crazily inconsistent and unstable to make good money in, if you actually look at the figures i quoted compared to the time I put into the games, most would actually be like... below minimum wage

But you get paid for a hobby which is always good

That's the way I think of it. I'm 15 right now, 16 in a few months which will be when I can get a part time job. And even though most 13 - 15 year olds get paper rounds for like £10 a week, I think thats a bit shit.

It's a hobby, I learn more as I do it and it's nice to show people and get good feedback/criticism.

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 18:57:14 Reply

Character

I colored my character. What do you think? I might add more shading.

yes hes supposed to be faceless...for now.

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 19:00:21 Reply

At 8/25/09 06:57 PM, Blackfang wrote: Character

I colored my character. What do you think? I might add more shading.

yes hes supposed to be faceless...for now.

Looks good, can't wait to see him animated.

What ideas you got for this platformer then?

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 19:36:17 Reply

At 8/25/09 06:57 PM, Blackfang wrote: Character

I colored my character. What do you think? I might add more shading.

yes hes supposed to be faceless...for now.

I refuse !

Umm make all the outlines black, it doesn't look too nice.
Also his face would be cooler being white with light grey shading.
Don't put too much shading, it'll be a bitch to animate :P
Besides that yeah awesome drawin !


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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 19:38:48 Reply

At 8/25/09 06:57 PM, Blackfang wrote: Character

I colored my character. What do you think? I might add more shading.

yes hes supposed to be faceless...for now.

that is a guy wearin a condom on his head and thats all the advice ive got for you

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 19:57:43 Reply

At 8/25/09 04:31 PM, Blackfang wrote: But i think thats because i can actually play drums and guitar in real life.

I find playing guitar in real life has no benefit when playing RB. I can play Chop Suey on guitar but can't beat it on expert on RB. It's mad.


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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 20:14:09 Reply

At 8/25/09 06:57 PM, Blackfang wrote: Character

I colored my character. What do you think? I might add more shading.

yes hes supposed to be faceless...for now.

awesome design, but i think he is overshaded. kinda looks like hes made of glass

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 20:20:07 Reply

At 8/25/09 07:57 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote:
At 8/25/09 04:31 PM, Blackfang wrote: But i think thats because i can actually play drums and guitar in real life.
I find playing guitar in real life has no benefit when playing RB. I can play Chop Suey on guitar but can't beat it on expert on RB. It's mad.

I'm not any good at guitar, but I've practicing every day, and yeah no gains from GH. I hate when people bash the game for it, but I don't see people arguing that call of duty is nothing like using a real gun.

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 20:20:24 Reply

I made one with all black outlines, and darker outlines. I still think i like darker outlines better.

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 20:21:57 Reply

Forgot the pic.

sorry i'm posting so much.

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 20:27:37 Reply

At 8/25/09 08:20 PM, ImpotentBoy2 wrote: I hate when people bash the game for it, but I don't see people arguing that call of duty is nothing like using a real gun.

Oh god yes. I hate that "OMG get a real instrument" bullshit. It's gay that musicians tend to hate on GH/RB. Doesn't happen with other games. All the people I know who like and play football regularly still enjoy playing Pro or Fifa.

@Blackfang, yeah the one with darker outlines looks better IMO.


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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-25 20:29:16 Reply

At 8/25/09 08:27 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: Oh god yes. I hate that "OMG get a real instrument" bullshit. It's gay that musicians tend to hate on GH/RB. Doesn't happen with other games. All the people I know who like and play football regularly still enjoy playing Pro or Fifa.

I actually love RB and guitar hero. I could care less if you're good at that and not an instrument. It doesn't matter at all.

@Blackfang, yeah the one with darker outlines looks better IMO.

Me too, and thanks.

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-26 04:52:11 Reply

Ted Kennedy just died...

RIP

what's with all the deaths this summer... really...

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-26 06:55:49 Reply

At 8/26/09 04:52 AM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: Ted Kennedy just died...

Who?


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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-26 08:37:00 Reply

At 8/26/09 06:55 AM, Paranoia wrote:
At 8/26/09 04:52 AM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: Ted Kennedy just died...
Who?

Some politician?

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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-26 09:38:34 Reply

So whos going to partake in the Talk Like A Pirate Day Competition?

I already started on lazy muffins one :3


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Response to The Flash 'Reg' Lounge 2009-08-26 10:53:36 Reply

Just finished playing Another Small Favour, as Point n Click is one of my favourite genres.

It was a pretty simple game, all in all though.