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Let's play a game, who's more dangerous!

Christian Right::
- Jesus is going to come back
- Gays should not marry
- Women are sacred, no pre-marital sex
- Condoms should be illegal
- Abortion is a sin, it should not be legal

Radical Islam:
- Muhhammed demands your conversion; convert or die
- Homosexuals should be murdered on sight
- Women are sacred, un-wed non-virgins are whores that need to be beaten
- Masturbation should be illegal
- Abortion should be punishable by death

I'd love to thank Rosie o' donnel for her enlightening words that Radical Christianity is just as dangerous as radical Islam. If you agree with her, please run full-speed into an oven =)

Rosie, hehe. Silly goose...

But seriously, I may not agree with radical Christians, but I have to give them props for not blowing people up (don't start, Fred Phelps, don't start...).

I dont know the crusades and the witchs trial and the inquisition were no joke.

Well, yeah. But I thought we were talking contemporary here. Every institution has skeletons in the closet if you're going to start dredging from 500+ years ago. Christianity has changed too much since then to make it a relevant comparison to modern radical Islam.

I'm an atheist, for the record. I have no bias in that way.

If you think objectively about it you can see that the dark ages are coming back but this time it's gonig to be in the USA.

Personally, as a British citizen, i'd trust muslims over christians. I have never met a single "radical" muslim yet i've met tons of radical christians. Therefore, generalising for me would show that it is christiasns that one should be more worried about than muslims.

At 9/22/06 01:12 AM, NorseBeast wrote: Well, yeah. But I thought we were talking contemporary here. Every institution has skeletons in the closet if you're going to start dredging from 500+ years ago. Christianity has changed too much since then to make it a relevant comparison to modern radical Islam.

Hmmm I consider the covert atempts by many fundi Christians to force thier beliefs on the rest of the world to be just as dangerious if not more so than radical Islam.

Ok, I don't want anyone to think here that I'm DEFENDING christians. I have nothing against christians, as I have nothing against muslims, but I feel no need to protect them, as I am not among them.

I just happen to believe that radicals who blow themselves and innocent people up in the name of God are more dangerous than radicals who try to change the constitution in the name of God so Bill and Ted can't get married.

At 9/22/06 01:49 AM, NorseBeast wrote: Ok, I don't want anyone to think here that I'm DEFENDING christians. I have nothing against christians, as I have nothing against muslims, but I feel no need to protect them, as I am not among them.
I just happen to believe that radicals who blow themselves and innocent people up in the name of God are more dangerous than radicals who try to change the constitution in the name of God so Bill and Ted can't get married.

Well that is your right and trust me I get were you are coming from with it. However I feel that if the right to worship freely is taken away, all nonchristian reading is banned, and its a crime to love some one if the bible says so then there is not much point in life.

Nobody can tell me that there aren't any terrorist nutters who blows up Abortion clinics, or murder homosexuals.

Every side has a crazy...
And she's in the right to say that some Christian extremists are the same as those Islamic extremists.

What's the difference between Bin Ladin and Eric Robert Rudolph?
One's American and the other isn't...

At 9/22/06 01:00 AM, FeeFee85 wrote: I dont know the crusades and the witchs trial and the inquisition were no joke.

thanks for holding that over our heads for the last 5 bajillion years. Christ, I can't believe y'all still talk about that but there's a thread out there called "can't we just forget about 9/11 and move on!"

Talk about hypocritical.......

Every side has a crazy...

And she's in the right to say that some Christian extremists are the same as those Islamic extremists.

Words of Wisdom. Listen up kiddies, SMART MAN TALKING HERE!!!

I don't give a shit what kind of "Radical" you are, radical means radical. Whatever other word you use to distinguish yourself with means nothing to me, you're still a radical, and you're still an asshole, be it Right wing, Left wing, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Socialist, Anarchist, Communist, gun lover, gun hater, pro life, pro choice, etc etc.

Stick the word "Radical" in front and y'all act the exact same, like assholes. End of story.

At 9/22/06 02:25 AM, Imperator wrote:

At 9/22/06 01:00 AM, FeeFee85 wrote: I dont know the crusades and the witchs trial and the inquisition were no joke.

thanks for holding that over our heads for the last 5 bajillion years. Christ, I can't believe y'all still talk about that but there's a thread out there called "can't we just forget about 9/11 and move on!"

Talk about hypocritical.......

Hypocritiacal I never even posted there? So what it happened a long time ago, it still happened. I am just saying that as you say extemist are every were in every religion and they are all just as bad.

At 9/22/06 12:19 AM, Nylo wrote: Let's play a game, who's more dangerous!

Christian Right::
- Jesus is going to come back

What did he ever do for me? -3

- Gays should not marry

I disagree. -4

- Women are sacred, no pre-marital sex

First part good. Second part bad +0

- Condoms should be illegal

NO. NO. NO. -4

- Abortion is a sin, it should not be legal

First part sucks ass. Half agree with second. +3
Total Score-8

Radical Islam:
- Muhhammed demands your conversion; convert or die

Nice slogan/ +10

- Homosexuals should be murdered on sight

NO. NO. NO. -5

- Women are sacred, un-wed non-virgins are whores that need to be beaten

NO. NO. NO. -5

- Masturbation should be illegal

No. -3

- Abortion should be punishable by death

No. -4

Total Score -7
Allah Akbar.

We should all learn from this that following the radical side of a religion is bad. Come up with your own personal beliefs and don't let anyone tell you what to relive.

At 9/22/06 01:13 AM, NorseBeast wrote: I'm an atheist, for the record.

You're an athiest, so you can't express an opinion (or make a logical conclusion) about which of the two things presented in this topic are more dangerous?

By 'athiest' (and that's the correct spelling, by the way), did you mean 'idiot'?

At 9/22/06 01:57 AM, fli wrote: One's American and the other isn't...

Exactly. That makes all the difference, sometimes (unfortunately?).

At 9/22/06 04:13 AM, Samuel-HALL wrote:

At 9/22/06 01:13 AM, NorseBeast wrote: I'm an atheist, for the record.

You're an athiest, so you can't express an opinion (or make a logical conclusion) about which of the two things presented in this topic are more dangerous?

By 'athiest' (and that's the correct spelling, by the way), did you mean 'idiot'?

Can you explain why he cant express a valid opinion because he is an athiest? I figure he would be more objective due to this fact.

At 9/22/06 12:19 AM, Nylo wrote: Let's play a game, who's more dangerous!

Christian Right::
- Jesus is going to come back
- Gays should not marry
- Women are sacred, no pre-marital sex
- Condoms should be illegal

-Not all Christians believe birth control is bad

- Abortion is a sin, it should not be legal

Radical Islam:
- Muhhammed demands your conversion; convert or die

Not in the Koran

- Homosexuals should be murdered on sight

Proof?

- Women are sacred, un-wed non-virgins are whores that need to be beaten

Proof?

- Masturbation should be illegal

Proof?

- Abortion should be punishable by death

Proof?

Both Christianity and Islam have done some great and terrible things in the past. During the Crusades Christianity did a lot of bad things. During the Salem Witch trials, who was it persecuting people because of their different beliefs, or what they thought were? During the Inquisition a lot of people died for no reason. Even the KKK uses Christianity as an excuse for their hatred towards blacks.
But without Christianity many of the charities in the US would not exist, and thousands more people would go hungry or cold without it. Christianity has donated countless amounts of money towards charities to help other people, other countries ect.

Islam recently has had a lot of terrorist attacks done in its name. Israel has been attacked in the name of Islam.
During the dark ages, Islam was flourishing while the Christians were struggling to survive. Throughout history Islam has been very tolerant of other religions, Christianity and Jews alike.

But if you look at things, what do the good and the bad things from both religions have in common? The good things generally come from what their holy books say, while the bad things are when things are generally taken out of context, or people decide to use things for their own personal gain. So in other words I'd just like to show that Islam and Christianity are both extremely dangerous in the wrong hands, yet can do so much good in the right hands. Its not the religion, its the people using it.

At 9/22/06 04:18 AM, FeeFee85 wrote:

At 9/22/06 04:13 AM, Samuel-HALL wrote:

At 9/22/06 01:13 AM, NorseBeast wrote: I'm an atheist, for the record.

You're an athiest, so you can't express an opinion (or make a logical conclusion) about which of the two things presented in this topic are more dangerous?
By 'athiest' (and that's the correct spelling, by the way), did you mean 'idiot'?

Can you explain why he cant express a valid opinion because he is an athiest? I figure he would be more objective due to this fact.

In his first post, he chose to not give an opinion for the ignorant reason of 'being an athiest'. As if any topic regarding religion is moot to him, simply because he doesn't believe in a god.

I don't believe in a god either, but I'm cognitive and intelligent enough to know that I better solidify where I stand, on this particular topic...because our opinions and actions regarding such things hold sway over the future.

The little boy was showcasing his athiesm, by posting and intentionally not giving an opinion. And that's fucking retarded.

Ok, first of all, I never showcase anything except my opinion. Second of all, in my first post I did give my opinion- indirectly. I wanted to wait and see what other people would say so I could possibly debate it. Not much else to say since I was agreeing with the original post.

As I recall, I never said I didn't think radical Christianity wasn't dangerous- I just said I thought radical Islam was more dangerous. I don't like radical Christians trying to push their anti-gay anti-birth control agendas on us either. I simply feel more threatened by radical Islam. Understand that I do respect anyone's right to logically disagree with me, like FeeFee85.

What I don't like are people who try to start a flame war every time they see someone who has a difference of opinion. I realize how to spell Atheist, thank you. I'm sure you've never misspelled anything in your life Mr. HALL, but the rest of us mortals make mistakes. The personal attacks are completely unprofessional and uncalled for.

By 'athiest' (and that's the correct spelling, by the way), did you mean 'idiot'?

Funny thing, I thought something was weird. I just used my Dictionary, atheist,
A-T-H-E-I-S-T. You should look it up sometime- preferably before you criticize another person's spelling.

Honestly the followers for both of these religions are dangerous. If I was stuck in a room with either one I wouldn’t take my eye off them.
And both there beliefs are fucked up. Gays should marry and if your not gay then its none of your fucking business. Men and woman should have sex if they like. Masturbation is fantastic. And if a woman does not want to have her unborn child then its her fucking choice not yours. And do you think Jesus is going to come back after what you lot did to him last time then don’t hold your breath (I don’t believe in God so I take no responsibility for what happened) Also condoms are the greatest invention since cup holders for cars. And I don’t care what threats I get try and convert me to either one and I'll kick your ass.

At 9/22/06 11:19 AM, NorseBeast wrote: Ok, first of all, I never showcase anything except my opinion. Second of all, in my first post I did give my opinion- indirectly. I wanted to wait and see what other people would say so I could possibly debate it. Not much else to say since I was agreeing with the original post.

No you were not. The original post asked you to compare and contrast the two.
And this is what you responded with -

At 9/22/06 01:13 AM, NorseBeast wrote: I'm an atheist, for the record. I have no bias in that way.

As I recall, I never said I didn't think radical Christianity wasn't dangerous- I just said I thought radical Islam was more dangerous.

And I happen to agree with you, strongly.

The personal attacks are completely unprofessional and uncalled for.

And what are you? A 'professional NG debator'? Give me a break.

At 9/22/06 01:00 AM, FeeFee85 wrote: I dont know the crusades and the witchs trial and the inquisition were no joke.

Yeah, because it's not like the polytheistic religions have committed equally deplorable acts.

At 9/22/06 01:00 AM, FeeFee85 wrote: I dont know the crusades and the witchs trial and the inquisition were no joke.

Yeah except see as how those happened centuries ago and not weeks ago.

At 9/22/06 02:20 PM, Samuel-HALL wrote: And I happen to agree with you, strongly.

Then why are we arguing? We should be with eachother. No, I'm not a professional debater, but I don't think it's unreasonable to want a debate to remain reatively free of mudslinging. Namecalling and personal insults solve nothing, and only push people farther from understanding eachother.

So lets just be friends :)

At 9/22/06 03:55 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 9/22/06 01:00 AM, FeeFee85 wrote: I dont know the crusades and the witchs trial and the inquisition were no joke.

Yeah except see as how those happened centuries ago and not weeks ago.

So what it still happened. Also the fucking christian fundis are consistantly trying to take away peoples rights and censor shit just because thier fucking bible says something is wrong. To me thats just as dangerious as killing.

At 9/22/06 05:38 PM, FeeFee85 wrote:

At 9/22/06 03:55 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:

At 9/22/06 01:00 AM, FeeFee85 wrote:

So what it still happened. Also the fucking christian fundis are consistantly trying to take away peoples rights and censor shit just because thier fucking bible says something is wrong. To me thats just as dangerious as killing.

Okay.

At 9/22/06 01:21 AM, neoptolemus wrote: Personally, as a British citizen, i'd trust muslims over christians. I have never met a single "radical" muslim yet i've met tons of radical christians. Therefore, generalising for me would show that it is christiasns that one should be more worried about than muslims.

Go to any islam dominated country on the planet compared to a christian dominated country. Let me know how that works out for you, captain Naive.

At 9/22/06 01:57 AM, fli wrote: What's the difference between Bin Ladin and Eric Robert Rudolph?
One's American and the other isn't...

That's bullshit, fli. come on, honestly. How many abortion clinics get blown up in any given week? When an ayatollah says christians are infidels, how many bomb mosques in protest?

How can you stand to think that way? You're living a lie.

At 9/22/06 12:19 AM, Nylo wrote: Let's play a game, who's more dangerous!

Christian Right::
- Jesus is going to come back
- Gays should not marry
- Women are sacred, no pre-marital sex
- Condoms should be illegal
- Abortion is a sin, it should not be legal

Radical Islam:
- Muhhammed demands your conversion; convert or die
- Homosexuals should be murdered on sight
- Women are sacred, un-wed non-virgins are whores that need to be beaten
- Masturbation should be illegal
- Abortion should be punishable by death

Like a previous poster wrote Muhhammed does not demand conversion. He claims that Islam is destined to become the universal religion...but how is this different from the aims of Christians? Look at all the missionaries sent to spread the word. Furthermore, true Islam is more tolerant of other religions and have a better track record than either Jew or Muslim.

Also there are Christians who have the same values regarding gays and women as you prescribe to muslims. The same for masturbation and abortion. This is not middle age Christianity but modern, revivalist, evangelical and uniquely American Protestantism. There are also Christian terrorists out there (Covenant, Sword and Arm of the Lord from the 1970s and 80s as well as David Koresh, and many Patriot/Militia views on Christianity).

The main difference is the economic affluence of the US. If we had five generations of people living refugee camps or an oppressive and morally excessive monarchy keeping even the middle class down you bet radical, violent Christianity would find resonance in the USA.

The fundamentalists are just as scary as fundamentalist Muslims. The seeds are present for violent, terroristic Christianity in this country. Thank Jehova/Allah/Yaweh (all the same diety by the way...) that conditions are not ripe.

AAK