Rednecks.

[FUNKbrs]

I've seen a lot of redneck bashing lately, and I thought it might be nice to open up a dialogue with you guys.

You see, I'm from Memphis, and I honestly don't see why the term "redneck" has been used as an ethnic slur in recent years. "Redneck" is historically used as a term for a white man that actually works outdoors for a living, as opposed to living off of inherited wealth and the labor of minorities.

If anything, redneck is kind of a noble term for ethical, working class whites who share the same financial status as working class blacks. However, I see it being used interchangeably with the term "White trash" which refers to methed out trailer park denizens. These terms are almost polar opposite depictions of lower class whites.

Meh, yankees and whiny californians probably still don't understand. Apparently all that money has made you guys classist.

[MortifiedPenguins]

Pshh, I live near Cape Cod, when did I ever become classy.

[Malachy]

up here we have useless white trash who dont do shit and live off of wellfare. except up where i am they tend to be called Hicks, more or less another derogatory term fro redneck. the thing is, people typically thingk redneck as white racist men who are prejudice against everything, typically conservative and alcoholic. and lets face it a harsh working life would do that to most anybody, so soon enough, every "townie" becomes a redneck in people eyes - they hang out together, then things they do and how they live outside of work becomes part of the mental image of others, they drive pick up trucks, listen to country, have "support our troops" stickers, generally christians, and dicks to everyone who's not like them. thus they in a way helped along the idea people have towards red necks.

not to mention pop culture bashing the south as all red neck white trash ignorant racists...how often is texas or the deep south portrayed by intelligent characters? the southern accent is slurred and slowed, it makes a person seem that way, despite whats going on in their head.

we have people just like that, who give off a bad image and even take the name redneck or hick with pride because it puts them into some social group - thus why they shun outsiders, they have a constant need to belong, so if they can be seen together as a unified group, then they will attempt to give off whatever the expectations of the group.

red neck used to mean a hardworking person who made a living outdoors typically doing farming or contracting. but today its become synomonious with white trash, trailer parks and bigotry

[stafffighter]

Up here the term for working man is Lumpah and it's worn with pride. As for the slur you can blame foxworthy for flashing it around more than dave chappele with his word. I've always said that keeping these things in the current usage does no good.

[Politics]

At least they aren't liberals.

[IllustriousPotentate]

I agree. In fact, the term "redneck" stems from the sunburns people got on their necks while working outdoors.

The South has seemingly always been portrayed as full of slack-jawed yokels that marry their own cousins and go to Klan meetings, and all that. Are there freaks in the South? Sure. But there's freaks everywhere. But those of us who live here know, that we that get portrayed as "hicks" or "rednecks" are good, honest, hard working Americans who love God, country and family.

[velocitom]

Keyword: was.

Now it means southern, which in is an insult to most respectable men.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 9/19/06 09:40 PM, velocitom wrote: Keyword: was.

Now it means southern, which in is an insult to most respectable men.

What do you mean by that, exactly?

[velocitom]

At 9/19/06 09:50 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: What do you mean by that, exactly?

Exactly what I said, I dont think I could be clearer.
No offense if your from the south, but thats just how it is where I am.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 9/19/06 10:18 PM, velocitom wrote:

At 9/19/06 09:50 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: What do you mean by that, exactly?

Exactly what I said, I dont think I could be clearer.
No offense if your from the south, but thats just how it is where I am.

What, being southern is insulting?

Doesn't that speak to just how ignorant people where you live are?

[Rockthebestmusic]

Anyone got ductape?

[Samuel-HALL]

At 9/19/06 08:39 PM, Malachy wrote: the thing is, people typically thingk redneck as white racist men who are prejudice against everything, typically conservative and alcoholic.

And that's just as prejudice as me thinking all blacks smell, and live off welfare.

and lets face it a harsh working life would do that to most anybody, so soon enough, every "townie" becomes a redneck in people eyes - they hang out together, then things they do and how they live outside of work becomes part of the mental image of others, they drive pick up trucks, listen to country, have "support our troops" stickers, generally christians, and dicks to everyone who's not like them. thus they in a way helped along the idea people have towards red necks.

You're right. Just like the blacks in Harlem, in a way, help along the idea people have towards blacks.

we have people just like that, who give off a bad image and even take the name redneck or hick with pride because it puts them into some social group - thus why they shun outsiders, they have a constant need to belong, so if they can be seen together as a unified group, then they will attempt to give off whatever the expectations of the group.

If you interchanged the words 'redneck' and 'hick' in your above post, you could be speaking of any minority.
Many accuse blacks of doing exactly what you imagine 'rednecks' doing.

You're just as ignorant for believing the 'redneck' stereotype as a racist is for believing the 'wetback' stereotype.

[FUNKbrs]

At 9/19/06 10:18 PM, velocitom wrote:

Exactly what I said, I dont think I could be clearer.
No offense if your from the south, but thats just how it is where I am.

Dude, that's bigoted as all fuck. Jazz originated in New Orleans; is that ignorant hick music? The entire music industry as we know it today was created by, for the most part, southerners.

Hell, Bill Clinton was from fucking ARKANSAS for crying out loud.

[Demosthenez]

Does Florida count as the South? If it does, fuck you Velocitcom.

If not, fuck you dirty Southern rednecks >:(

[FUNKbrs]

At 9/19/06 11:37 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: Does Florida count as the South?

Dude, it's the almost as southern as Texas.

If it does, fuck you Velocitcom.

If not, fuck you dirty Southern rednecks >:(

OMFG TRAITOR!!!

WHAR'S MAH ROWPE!?!?!

[velocitom]

At 9/19/06 10:50 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: What, being southern is insulting?

I thought that was what I wrote?
Did I write something different?

Doesn't that speak to just how ignorant people where you live are?

[GSP Per capita] - 13th ranked.
[Median Family Income] - 15th ranked.
[Homocide Rate] - 32th ranked.
[Overwheight Rate] - 38th ranked.
[Bachelor Degree(or higher) Percentage] - 14th ranked.
[High School Diploma or Higher] - 10th ranked.

If were ignorant, than the southern states must be retarded.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 9/19/06 11:52 PM, velocitom wrote: [GSP Per capita] - 13th ranked.
[Median Family Income] - 15th ranked.
[Homocide Rate] - 32th ranked.
[Overwheight Rate] - 38th ranked.
[Bachelor Degree(or higher) Percentage] - 14th ranked.
[High School Diploma or Higher] - 10th ranked.

If were ignorant, than the southern states must be retarded.

Socioeconomic standings do nothing have nothing to do with being ignorant, racist, classist, etc. People with Ph'D's, millionaires, etc, all can harbor ignorant stereotypes.

[velocitom]

At 9/19/06 11:33 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: The entire music industry as we know it today was created by, for the most part, southerners.

Southerns also came up with country music. So its even.

Hell, Bill Clinton was from fucking ARKANSAS for crying out loud.

I'm talking about average, I'm not saying every single person from the south is ignorant.

At 9/19/06 11:37 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: Does Florida count as the South? If it does, fuck you Velocitcom.

Its like saying California is southern, kind of.

Technically they are, but when you say Florida you dont really think off of people sitting on a porch spitting into a can with a shotgun on their lap. The only southern thing I can think of is gators and swamp races.

So, I would say it depends on where you live, but its probably neutral like Kansas, Virginia, and California.

[BeFell]

At 9/19/06 11:52 PM, velocitom wrote: If were ignorant, than the southern states must be retarded.

That's ironical.

I once called someone a hippie then he called me a hick.

[velocitom]

At 9/20/06 12:04 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: Socioeconomic standings do nothing have nothing to do with being ignorant, racist, classist, etc. People with Ph'D's, millionaires, etc, all can harbor ignorant stereotypes.

You didnt say ignorant stereotypes, I assume you meant ignorance as in uneducated.

If you mean ignorant as in holding deap stereotypes, then yes.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 9/20/06 12:07 AM, velocitom wrote:

At 9/20/06 12:04 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: Socioeconomic standings do nothing have nothing to do with being ignorant, racist, classist, etc. People with Ph'D's, millionaires, etc, all can harbor ignorant stereotypes.

You didnt say ignorant stereotypes, I assume you meant ignorance as in uneducated.

If you mean ignorant as in holding deap stereotypes, then yes.

I mean both. Obviously, if you hold deep stereotypes against people, then you are uneducated.

[BeFell]

At 9/20/06 12:07 AM, velocitom wrote: You didnt say ignorant stereotypes, I assume you meant ignorance as in uneducated.

If you mean ignorant as in holding deap stereotypes, then yes.

Maybe I should a little more overt.

Your grammar sucks you ignorant son of a bitch!

I've sure been calling people blank sons of bitches a lot lately.

[velocitom]

At 9/20/06 12:10 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: I mean both. Obviously, if you hold deep stereotypes against people, then you are uneducated.

At 9/20/06 12:04 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: People with Ph'D's, millionaires, etc, all can harbor ignorant stereotypes.

I guess your right though, people with Ph'D's can be uneducated.
So can rich people I guess.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 9/20/06 12:13 AM, velocitom wrote:

At 9/20/06 12:10 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: I mean both. Obviously, if you hold deep stereotypes against people, then you are uneducated.

At 9/20/06 12:04 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: People with Ph'D's, millionaires, etc, all can harbor ignorant stereotypes.

I guess your right though, people with Ph'D's can be uneducated.
So can rich people I guess.

Education isn't limited to knowledge gained in school. Education also involves learning through interaction with others and society. If someone harbors stereotypes based on interactions with a few people, or harbors stereotypes based on a small percentage difference in a few selected statistical measures, then it is obvious they do not have adequate social education, regardless of the education they have received in school relating to their field of study.

[velocitom]

At 9/20/06 12:12 AM, BeFell wrote: Your grammar sucks you ignorant son of a bitch!

Yours isnt exactly A+ worthy either.

The lesson: This isnt english class, save the grammer criticism's for that idiot who sits next to you.

At 9/20/06 12:20 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: Education isn't limited to knowledge gained in school.

No, but much of what you know is because of school. That is, unless you lived on the street your entire life.

If someone harbors stereotypes based on interactions with a few people, or harbors stereotypes based on a small percentage difference in a few selected statistical measures, then it is obvious they do not have adequate social education, regardless of the education they have received in school relating to their field of study.

Well put, but telling me something I already know doesnt change anything. The statement I said earlier is usually just refrenced as a joke, since the only interaction most people up here have with southerns is larry the cable guy and king of the hill.

But I myselft had a bad, life changing experience with a redneck once. Which is why I harbor deep stereotypes, and I dont really care if people get offended because its just a joke.

And if your still offended, welcome to life.

[Memorize]

I live in the South, but i'm from Cali.

And even tho just a few people may be "slow" down here, at least they can fucking pronounce properly.

Ex. Washington, not Warshintin.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 9/20/06 12:28 AM, velocitom wrote:

At 9/20/06 12:20 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: Education isn't limited to knowledge gained in school.

No, but much of what you know is because of school. That is, unless you lived on the street your entire life.

School teaches academic subjects. It does not teach you about social interaction, behavior, etc. Those are learned from real life experience and cannot be duplicated in the classroom.

If someone harbors stereotypes based on interactions with a few people, or harbors stereotypes based on a small percentage difference in a few selected statistical measures, then it is obvious they do not have adequate social education, regardless of the education they have received in school relating to their field of study.

Well put, but telling me something I already know doesnt change anything. The statement I said earlier is usually just refrenced as a joke, since the only interaction most people up here have with southerns is larry the cable guy and king of the hill.

But I myselft had a bad, life changing experience with a redneck once. Which is why I harbor deep stereotypes, and I dont really care if people get offended because its just a joke.

And if your still offended, welcome to life.

If it's a joke, then why did you waste so much time defending it? And if it's a joke, why is nobody laughing? The fact that people stereotype millions of people in a region based on some comedian and some TV show isn't funny at all; there's no joke, there's no punchline. It's actually a rather sad state of affairs that people with access to all sorts of information and interaction still stupidly harbor those stereotypes based on a couple bits of pop culture.

[BeFell]

At 9/20/06 12:28 AM, velocitom wrote: The lesson: This isnt english class, save the grammer criticism's for that idiot who sits next to you.

You mispelled grammar.

[BeFell]

At 9/20/06 12:44 AM, BeFell wrote:

At 9/20/06 12:28 AM, velocitom wrote: The lesson: This isnt english class, save the grammer criticism's for that idiot who sits next to you.

You mispelled grammar.

I misspelled misspelled, OMG irony.=P

[velocitom]

At 9/20/06 12:36 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: School teaches academic subjects. It does not teach you about social interaction, behavior, etc.

Give school more credit, in the classroom you learn academics. But what about on the playground? The hallway? Whether you know it or not, you probably developed most of your social skills during school.

If it's a joke, then why did you waste so much time defending it?

I love to argue, even if its over the most petty thing I still argue about it. And I keep most of my smartass arguments online, because as you may know its not the most popular feature that people like in a friend.

And if it's a joke, why is nobody laughing?

Maybe not where you live, but its funny were I am. I believe thats called differing cultures.

The fact that people stereotype millions of people in a region based on some comedian and some TV show isn't funny at all;

Really? You dont find the fact of how pathetic that is, and how incredibly shallow humans can be amusing? Like I said, I had a bad-tramatising(sp) experience when I was a kid. Which, unfortunatly, cant be rooted out no matter how much I realize it.

It's actually a rather sad state of affairs that people with access to all sorts of information and interaction still stupidly harbor those stereotypes based on a couple bits of pop culture.

Your 22 years old, and your acting as if you just figured this out?

At 9/20/06 12:44 AM, BeFell wrote: You mispelled grammar.

Damnit, my english teacher would be so ashamed.