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communism is conflicting system that conflics with human nature they dont mix

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What ever, but note how the lower class in America are generally living better than the well to do in communist countries?

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At 9/19/06 02:43 PM, Bovineoverlord wrote: What ever, but note how the lower class in America are generally living better than the well to do in communist countries?

wow great point...wait is it a point? ohh! you're asking us...no wait, your sentence isn't structured like a like a question, yet it has a question mark, odd isn't it? first off; you're 13, for God's sake shut up. second; the poor in America are better off than the well off in communist countries? no they aren't, you're just an idiot.

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I'd say instead of Communism: Social Democratism.

Why not Communism? Because most Communist regimes are purley dictactoric, and most people there are very poor there.

Why Social Democratism? Because it works alot better, Sweden is(were) an example: We pay nothing for school. For us, education is a human right here, it's payed of with the taxes. And we don't havethat much poverty, since we have something called A-kassa, which means that if someone is short on money, and is in deep shit and can't get a job, he/she can ask for money by the Social Authorities for the very basic: Somewhere to live, Food, Bills, and clothes.


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The problem with Sweden is that there is a very large unemployment rate. If you can get a living off of doing nothing, why do anything? I mean sure, doing odd jobs here and there, but then you go and use all that money for a computer or TV since you do not have to worry aboout buying food or paying rent. With Capitalism, you work hard, you get paid. And its not like theres NO social benefits here in the US. Labor Unions, Scocial Security, Pensions, etc etc.


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At 9/19/06 06:54 PM, Glendale wrote: The problem with Sweden is that there is a very large unemployment rate. If you can get a living off of doing nothing, why do anything? I mean sure, doing odd jobs here and there, but then you go and use all that money for a computer or TV since you do not have to worry aboout buying food or paying rent. With Capitalism, you work hard, you get paid. And its not like theres NO social benefits here in the US. Labor Unions, Scocial Security, Pensions, etc etc.

Besides do you want the same party to be in power for 70 YEARS

Sounds like welfare bribery to me

BTW that party I'm talkin' about (Social Democratic Party) Just got ousted and the state is pulling off this nasty little nuber in response

Unemployed you say? We can't really offer you a job... but we could classify you as mentally disabled to improve our labor market statistics!

That's the message 25-year-old Swedish citizen Jessica Pettersson got from the state unemployment office. Pettersson has a high school degree in economics and has worked in a post office and in a grocery store, among other jobs. After being out of work for a while, her supervisor at the unemployment agency told her that she ought to meet with a work-psychologist since "it is so hard to be without a job".

Petterson told the Swedish daily paper Expressen that she had no desire to go to a psychologist but was persuaded to do so by the unemployment agency. The psychologist gave her a number of tests that she found stressful and humiliating, such as building objects with wooden blocks. To her surprise the psychologist said that Petterson should be classified as disabled since she wasn't good enough at mathematics. Jessica was shocked to hear this: "I might not be a math genius, but I know how to count," she told the paper.

The unemployment agency explained that it was simply a matter of changing a code in her status as unemployed. If she agreed to be classified as mentally disabled she would be entitled to a range of government subsidies and programs. In fact, she could begin working at "Samhall" - a government project aimed at providing employment for the disabled. There she could get a job cleaning and building wheelchairs.

"I felt the panic spreading in my body," she said. "Samhall is intended for the truly disabled who could never get another job. Could I really work there? A place that might mean a lot for a handicapped person - but that would be a giant leap backwards in my development and self-respect."

Petterson finally managed to convince the unemployment agency that she would never agree to become classified as mentally disabled. She told Expressen that her family, her friends and her boyfriend have reacted strongly to this notion.

Alarmingly, what happened to Petterson is not an isolated incident in Sweden. The state unemployment agency is constantly attempting to force people to "admit" to being disabled. Today 19.3 percent of those seeking jobs at the unemployment office are being classified as disabled.

Stockholm University professor Mikael Holmqvist, who has done research on the subject of Samhall's workers, believes that most of these people are in fact not disabled at all. They have been lured or threatened into agreeing to become classified as such. The reason for this is simply that if you are disabled you are removed from the statistics of open unemployment, something that the current Social Democratic government greatly appreciates.

It is bad enough that the Swedish government hides the country's true unemployment rate by hiring people through various state projects and by manipulating official statistics. But classifying healthy young people as disabled is truly a shameful exercise. If the Social Democrats lose this weekend's election the protest votes the young people humiliated by the unemployment agencies might play an important part.

http://www.tcsdaily...icle.aspx?id=091806D

I'm not much of a Sweden pundt but COME ON! This is like truthfully annoucing that pigs are flying

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YES AMERICA SHOULD EMBRACE COMMUNISM, AND HUG IT, AND LOVE IT, AND MARRY IT TIL DEATH!

Communism works!

Anyone overly patriotic would say "NO", but seriously, American patriotism is, in basis, anti-Communism, but it is anti-Soviet-Communism.

What we need to embrace is true communism, not the Soviet "fascist communism". Get rid of the monarchy style political landscape communism had for the soviets, and you have a perfectly good government, especially for a country like the US, whos economy is failing. We need it...

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At 9/19/06 07:28 PM, AlienPlanet wrote: YES AMERICA SHOULD EMBRACE COMMUNISM, AND HUG IT, AND LOVE IT, AND MARRY IT TIL DEATH!

Communism works!

Anyone overly patriotic would say "NO", but seriously, American patriotism is, in basis, anti-Communism, but it is anti-Soviet-Communism.

What we need to embrace is true communism, not the Soviet "fascist communism". Get rid of the monarchy style political landscape communism had for the soviets, and you have a perfectly good government, especially for a country like the US, whos economy is failing. We need it...

I realize am very opinionated...

The economy isnt falling. Look at the GNP, its growing. And 'true' communism is socialism, which cannot happen. And not only don't we need communism, we do not want it. It is flawed. Communism makes the government decide what people do, and controls the market. Do you really want to potnetially piss off the people by voting against them (voting in a communist country..HA) while they control your intake of food and water?


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Yeah, whatever, rich people are getting richer. Statistics...

So, I see much success in Ford and GM going bankrupt to foreign automakers...

Still, communism WORKS... anbd capitalism doesn't. Its that simple.


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At 9/19/06 02:53 PM, Denta wrote: Why Social Democratism? Because it works alot better, Sweden is(were) an example: We pay nothing for school. For us, education is a human right here, it's payed of with the taxes. And we don't havethat much poverty, since we have something called A-kassa, which means that if someone is short on money, and is in deep shit and can't get a job, he/she can ask for money by the Social Authorities for the very basic: Somewhere to live, Food, Bills, and clothes.

Totally man, that's why Sweden is such an economic powerhouse and the US is a poverty stricken shit-hole.

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At 9/20/06 05:51 PM, AlienPlanet wrote: Yeah, whatever, rich people are getting richer. Statistics...

So, I see much success in Ford and GM going bankrupt to foreign automakers...

Still, communism WORKS... anbd capitalism doesn't. Its that simple.

Anyone who says communism works while capitalism doesn't is a class S-dipshit. Now get the hell off the board.


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At 9/20/06 06:25 PM, Pwnage-In-A-Can wrote:
At 9/20/06 05:51 PM, AlienPlanet wrote: Yeah, whatever, rich people are getting richer. Statistics...

So, I see much success in Ford and GM going bankrupt to foreign automakers...

Still, communism WORKS... anbd capitalism doesn't. Its that simple.
Anyone who says communism works while capitalism doesn't is a class S-dipshit. Now get the hell off the board.

Its abovious and everybody knows including the retard who started this. He and the alienplanet kid are just dumb losers who have nothing better to do then to just piss people off.

Oh and Alien Planet you said ford and GM are going bankrupt no they arn't are you retarded. Thats why they are 2 of the largest automobile producing buisnesses in the world. Tell me how many automobile companies does china, vietnam, or North Korea have huh.


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Arghhhhh. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL THIS TO EVERYONE? COMMUNISM DOESN'T WORK!


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LMAO capitalism doesn't work? When the fuck has that happened?


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At 9/20/06 07:05 PM, Darth-Venge wrote: Arghhhhh. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL THIS TO EVERYONE? COMMUNISM DOESN'T WORK!

Thank you we all know that, like i said its two dumb kids who dont know the facts and are just tring to be retarded losers and they are succeding very well at it.


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At 9/20/06 07:09 PM, Darth-Venge wrote: LMAO capitalism doesn't work? When the fuck has that happened?

well pure capitalism doesn't.

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At 9/20/06 07:32 PM, dukemaster4 wrote: Thank you we all know that, like i said its two dumb kids who dont know the facts and are just tring to be retarded losers and they are succeding very well at it.

True. Perfectly true


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At 9/20/06 07:34 PM, Shihuangdi wrote: well pure capitalism doesn't.

Before I say anything else to counter this statement. give me an example.


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At 9/20/06 07:36 PM, Darth-Venge wrote: Before I say anything else to counter this statement. give me an example.

industrial revolution and by extension the great depression.

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At 9/20/06 08:17 PM, Shihuangdi wrote:
At 9/20/06 07:36 PM, Darth-Venge wrote: Before I say anything else to counter this statement. give me an example.
industrial revolution and by extension the great depression.

That is true. Pure Capitalism is basically an economic oligarchy. Before labor unions, child labor acts, minimum wage and the like, workers were down right oppressed, and if there were no reforms, there would have definetly been some sort of rebellion. However, mix in some ethically sound pieces like the formentioned social jumps in the industrial revolution with capitalism and yo have a pretty good system, like the one we have now.


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if you want to be a commie go to Cuba.


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At 9/20/06 05:51 PM, AlienPlanet wrote: Yeah, whatever, rich people are getting richer. Statistics...

So, I see much success in Ford and GM going bankrupt to foreign automakers...

Still, communism WORKS... anbd capitalism doesn't. Its that simple.

No, it's not. You are just a stereotypical close-minded liberal. It's that simple.

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At 9/21/06 12:04 AM, Gon-Jinetik wrote:
At 9/20/06 05:51 PM, AlienPlanet wrote: Yeah, whatever, rich people are getting richer. Statistics...
No, it's not. You are just a stereotypical close-minded liberal. It's that simple.

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Oh, I see. The problem has been that we haven't been using "True" Communism.

I wonder why no one ever takes me seriously when I claim the problem with capitalism is that we haven't been using "True" Capitalism.


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At 9/22/06 03:07 PM, A-Carrot-By-Dr-Riot wrote: I wonder why no one ever takes me seriously when I claim the problem with capitalism is that we haven't been using "True" Capitalism.

because our mixed economy is better then true capitalism.

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I think its amazing this thread lasted this long.


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At 9/18/06 05:15 PM, Dizzy-D wrote: America would flourish under communism. With the rising deficit, and the inflation of our primitive capitalist system, our country is bound to fail. It is time that we embraced the ideals of our forefathers and adapted to the ever-changing world around us-- a world that demands communism.

Oh yeah, except for the fact that communism, uhhhhh, doesn't work.

Are you people THAT moronic!? Grow a freaking brain for once. Things suck, but we live in the freest nation in the world and you are willing to give up that freedom?

That's like winning a million dollars and saying, "I don't want it because I hate money." Which, in fact, under a communism system they would take from you anyway.

DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW COMMUNISM WORKS!?

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Dont be an ideot, communism would bring america to its knees, people like you shouldnt even be allowed to live


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At 9/23/06 03:38 AM, TheDeppmister wrote:
At 9/18/06 05:15 PM, Dizzy-D wrote:
Are you people THAT moronic!? Grow a freaking brain for once. Things suck, but we live in the freest nation in the world and you are willing to give up that freedom?

That's like winning a million dollars and saying, "I don't want it because I hate money." Which, in fact, under a communism system they would take from you anyway.

DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW COMMUNISM WORKS!?

you guys put a smile on my face, really

america is the freest nation in the world? really? Huh, nice joke

even austria(yes, the country where hitler is born) gives the people more rights than america
we can go where ever we want without getting problems, yes, even to north korea

your great country shits on the education of poor people(and america is full of poor ppl)

please don't believe everything your dad and the newspapers says
btw: terrorism has increased since the great "war on terrorism" and is terrorism not killing freedome? you decide

communism isn't some "false" socialism, it's the final stage of socialism
no country ever had communism at all
and china lives in capitalism

read more about communism before you blame it
(i woul tell you more, but you might have noticed that my english writing isn't the best one)


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you guys put a smile on my face, really

america is the freest nation in the world? really? Huh, nice joke

even austria(yes, the country where hitler is born) gives the people more rights than america
we can go where ever we want without getting problems, yes, even to north korea

your great country shits on the education of poor people(and america is full of poor ppl)

please don't believe everything your dad and the newspapers says
btw: terrorism has increased since the great "war on terrorism" and is terrorism not killing freedome? you decide

communism isn't some "false" socialism, it's the final stage of socialism
no country ever had communism at all
and china lives in capitalism

read more about communism before you blame it
(i woul tell you more, but you might have noticed that my english writing isn't the best one)

you make me want to beat the shit out of you.
The usa is the freest nation in the world, WTF china is communism idk what your smoking that makes you believe their capitalism.
communism is a opressing type of government that takes away people's rights and takes most money for themselves.
Oh and america has poor people but so does ever other fucking nation.

Their are more poor people in china, North korea, etc......

Democracy is more effective than communism, thtas that.


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