03/13: P2P porn crack-down

[Freakapotimus]

Congress cracks down on P2P porn
By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
March 12, 2003, 5:30 PM PT

The U.S. Congress is targeting peer-to-peer networks again - and this time politicians aren't fretting over music and software piracy.

A pair of government reports scheduled to be released at a hearing on Thursday warn that file-swapping networks are exploding with pornography - much of which is legal, and some of which is not.

Searching for words such as "preteen," "underage" and "incest" on the Kazaa network resulted in a slew of images that qualify as child pornography, the General Accounting Office said in a 37-page report, one of two obtained by CNET News.com. The second report, prepared by staff from the House Government Reform Committee, concluded that current blocking technology has "no, or limited, ability to block access to pornography via file-sharing programs."

Full story at http://msn-cnet.com.com/2100-1028-992371.html

[mysecondstar]

i'm glad. exploiting a child sexually is one of the sickest things man has ever thought up. if we could crack down on child pornography, less children could be hurt and a lot of the people who have child pornography also sexual molest children as well, which is probably why they have it from taking pictures of their sick exploits.

once at least most of the pedophiles are off the street, i can sleep a little easier knowing that there are less people out there that will prey on my children in the future.

[OlenWhitaker]

This brings up an interesting question, and a difficult one at that. What is the best way to monitor and regulate this sort of activity? Anything I can think of would either be easily side-stepped or too invasive of privacy. I want to see internet (and all) child-porn stamped out, but I can't think how best to go about it. Any ideas?

[lapslf]

it's easy: shoot everyone that does dirty things with kiddo's. starting with michael jackson ;)

[mysecondstar]

At 3/13/03 04:18 PM, OlenWhitaker wrote: This brings up an interesting question, and a difficult one at that. What is the best way to monitor and regulate this sort of activity? Anything I can think of would either be easily side-stepped or too invasive of privacy. I want to see internet (and all) child-porn stamped out, but I can't think how best to go about it. Any ideas?

i beleive they should be treated as convicted pedophiles and child molestors. IP address can be red flagged to monitor what is being downloaded/uploaded and those that incessantly download and upload these types of files can be visited by law enforcement.

invasive? maybe. but they do that at the grocery store when you get those fresh savings of preferred cards. they report everything you buy, but, in the grocery store case, it is used for inventory and stock control to see what people are buying a lot of so that they could stock more of that product.

in the case of p2p sharing of files it could work similarly to people in a grocery store walking around to stock up and maintain the store, but if they see someone stealing they will report it to the police. this should be no different. if there is any kind of child porn being shared, those involved should be reported. and their IP addresses are their preffered cards.

[OlenWhitaker]

That's an interesting way of looking at it. I'll have to think about that for a while.

[Jimsween]

Kazaa is a very large system of users, last time I checked there was 6,000,000 GB and 900,000,000 files on it and filtering it seems like it would be impossible to filter. AS for the one's they said, looked like child pornography, well thats a grey area because how can you really tell if it is an underage person and if we made a law saying that if the person looked under 18 the file could be removed then whats stopping them from removing all the pornagraphy. And the report that teenagers can be unexpectedly brought to porn is just stupid because if your a pernet and you dont want your kid to be looking at porn you probably shouldnt let them have the internet because its not that hard to find.

[mysecondstar]

At 3/13/03 04:46 PM, jimsween wrote: blah blah

first of all, i wouldn't really mind to much if my children were to stumble across some porn. that's fine with me. my problem is the pedophiles out there preying on my children.

second, i know KazaA itself is huge. and it isn't the only one either. and you don't filter it. you let it run and red flag those that are blatantly illegal. i'm sure you could tell the difference between a, say, 10 year old from an 18 year old. therefore if you catch people downloading it, they will have their IP address traced so local law enforcement can pick them up.

did you even read what i wrote?

[lapslf]

Well, i think it's better to look at child's porn than to actually do it. If the pedophiles can be statisfied by looking at pictures of naked childs so much that it stops them from raping kids, i say give them more! plenty more! Of course you shouldn't make new pictures, just use all the old pictures or make some fake ones.

The only problem is that 99% of the time they go further than just looking at pictures... in that case, give them inflatable baby's... and if that doesn't work... lock them up.

But i don't think busting people who are downloading child porn from kazaa is a good way to solve the matter. If you accidently download it because the picture has a fake name the police comes to your house and you get locked up for completely nothing. No, i'd say kazaa should make there program some way that if you have files in your shared folder with the words child and porn in it, the program shouldn't allow it or something. If it isn't child porn you can just change the file name, and if it is, they couldn't find it because the description won't match. easy as falling out of bed.

[mysecondstar]

i'm not suggesting they create "traps" for people. that is unfair. and also if they change the names of pictures and videos of child porn, no one would be able to find it without knowing ahead of time.

[OlenWhitaker]

That's the catch-22 that I'm talking about. If you set traps, that's not fair. If you don't, it's almost impossible to catch.

[mysecondstar]

At 3/13/03 05:12 PM, OlenWhitaker wrote: That's the catch-22 that I'm talking about. If you set traps, that's not fair. If you don't, it's almost impossible to catch.

i think it would have been much better if it had not been publicized at all. that way law enforcement could go about their business with people going about their business as well.

[Jimsween]

At 3/13/03 04:52 PM, mysecondstar wrote:

second, i know KazaA itself is huge. and it isn't the only one either. and you don't filter it. you let it run and red flag those that are blatantly illegal. i'm sure you could tell the difference between a, say, 10 year old from an 18 year old. therefore if you catch people downloading it, they will have their IP address traced so local law enforcement can pick them up.

did you even read what i wrote?

yes we all could but justice is blind, there have been plenty of times where laws werent inforced because they are too vague just like a law like that would be, the best they could do would be to not allow titles related to child pornography. I never said they should try to filter it I said it would be impossible to do so. Of the totals I gave you those was just of the people online at the time there are many more than that.

[mysecondstar]

At 3/13/03 05:26 PM, jimsween wrote: blah blah

once again, never fails, you didn't read my post.

i said KazaA isn't the only p2p our there (ie. Morpheus, etc.) and also child pornography in the country is simple. you have it and/or distribute it, you get arrested, thrown in jail, and raped by your fellow man for being a child molestor.

it reminds me of this one quote i saw not too long ago. it went something like, "in the time when every criminal was killed for their crime in this country, we were called murderers. today when we put our criminals in our prison system we are considered sadistic, homosexual dungeon masters."

[Jimsween]

At 3/13/03 05:50 PM, mysecondstar wrote:

At 3/13/03 05:26 PM, jimsween wrote: blah blah

once again, never fails, you didn't read my post.

I did read your post and i think it's you who isnt reading mine. I said justice is blind, meaning if you subitted evidence into court that they downloaded pictures of what looked like a 10 year old it would be dismissed because there couldnt be any proof that the person in question knew it was a 10 year old girl which is reasonable doubt.

[NEMESiSZ]

It's too bad Kazaa is from the Pacific Rim and not the USA, and smart people who use K-Lite know it's not even supported software because it's hacked. Looks like the USA won't be stopping me from downloading pr0n.

[Jimsween]

At 3/13/03 06:00 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: It's too bad Kazaa is from the Pacific Rim and not the USA, and smart people who use K-Lite know it's not even supported software because it's hacked. Looks like the USA won't be stopping me from downloading pr0n.

Im assuming you mean porn and you dont have a fetish for large shrips. Your right though it is hard to impose laws because the business was never actually in us because you cant own part of the internet.

[NEMESiSZ]

At 3/13/03 06:03 PM, jimsween wrote:
Im assuming you mean porn

Hahahaha

[JMHX]

At 3/13/03 06:10 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote:

At 3/13/03 06:03 PM, jimsween wrote:
Im assuming you mean porn

Hahahaha

Poor Jim is just so very very sad.