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At 5/8/08 08:35 AM, Imperator wrote: 2.2 spacing.
Just enough to not be noticeable, but if they do notice, you can play it off as an accident saying you just hit the number "2" twice.

Ooh, nice.

At 5/8/08 02:59 PM, BeFell wrote: I've started to notice that i almost never goes before e despite the presence or absence of c. "Their?" maybe I should have learned the whole poem.

The rule's a bad one because there are seemingly just as many exceptions to it as there are examples of it.

Examples:
Friend. Spies. Client. Fiend. Receive. etc

Exceptions:
"Science". Species.

At 5/8/08 02:03 PM, Malachy wrote: email from a professor:

Mal,
I can't seem to find your paper...it's not in any of my emails. Could you bring it to class on Monday?

what paper? FUCK!!!

Hey, at least Monday is a few days away, that gives you time to figure it out and write it.

At 5/8/08 03:38 PM, Imperator wrote: The rule's a bad one because there are seemingly just as many exceptions to it as there are examples of it.

There really are fewer definite rules than ones with exceptions in this language, because it's a mish-mosh of every world language.

As someone who has long accepted their inability to spell I say this. Thank your diety for spellcheck. Almost everything that needs to be written down in todays world will at one stage pass through electronic means and when you're talking to someone in person they can't tell how many vowel combinations you're just guessing on.

At 5/8/08 02:59 PM, BeFell wrote:

At 5/8/08 12:24 PM, fli wrote: I can write a really good essay... but nothing will stop me from writing "recieve" and not putting the "e" in "th"

I've started to notice that i almost never goes before e despite the presence or absence of c. "Their?" maybe I should have learned the whole poem.

"I before e, except after c."
Thank you Charlie Brown and the Spelling Bee episode.

Well, it's not that I don't know... it's just that, I don't remember except when I'm editing my paper two days afterwords.

At 5/8/08 06:29 PM, fli wrote:

At 5/8/08 02:59 PM, BeFell wrote:

At 5/8/08 12:24 PM, fli wrote: I can write a really good essay... but nothing will stop me from writing "recieve" and not putting the "e" in "th"

I've started to notice that i almost never goes before e despite the presence or absence of c. "Their?" maybe I should have learned the whole poem.

"I before e, except after c."
Thank you Charlie Brown and the Spelling Bee episode.

Well, it's not that I don't know... it's just that, I don't remember except when I'm editing my paper two days afterwords.

I found the missing piece: (I initially misspelled piece when I typed this)

i before e
except after c
or when sounding like "a"
like in neighbor or weigh

At 5/8/08 05:42 PM, stafffighter wrote: As someone who has long accepted their inability to spell I say this. Thank your diety for spellcheck.

And screw IE for not having spell check in text fields.

Go Mozilla!

At 5/8/08 06:59 PM, BeFell wrote: i before e
except after c
or when sounding like "a"
like in neighbor or weigh

When two vowels go walking, the first one does the talking.

Like in "leaf". We hear the e.

But sometimes, it's opposite, like in "great".

Back in the day, as I have noticed from the inherited old grammar books I learned from, the word "like" was a different word than "as."

This sentence would be wrong:
He rode the bike like a professional (would ride the bike).
It should be:
He rode the bike as a professional (would ride the bike).

It's the idiotic California valley girls who began the misuse of the word "like."

At 5/8/08 06:59 PM, BeFell wrote: i before e
except after c
or when sounding like "a"
like in neighbor or weigh

Except the word weird.

And numerous others, but hey. It's because English is an amalgamated language. Hard-and-fast rules are difficult to come by.

At 5/8/08 08:12 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote: Hard-and-fast...

Hehehehehehehehehehehehe...

;

At 5/8/08 08:09 PM, Christopherr wrote: It's the idiotic California valley girls who began the misuse of the word "like."

Nope.
It's been around for a very long time. Chaucer often used "like" instead of "as" in Troilus and Criseyde, but don't as me where.

I remember having the argument with my grammar nazi.... *ahem* "professor... about this, and other points.
People say we shouldn't use preposition at the end of the sentence, but that's been around for a long time too. That's only been a "rule" (John Dryden suggested it) because it made sense in Latin. But sense we speak English and not Latin, I'm a person who will ALWAYS put prepositions at the end the sentence.

You know what I'm talking...about?

And damn the teacher who try to say otherwise-- I don't care.

At 5/8/08 08:21 PM, fli wrote:

At 5/8/08 08:09 PM, Christopherr wrote: It's the idiotic California valley girls who began the misuse of the word "like."

Nope.
It's been around for a very long time. Chaucer often used "like" instead of "as" in Troilus and Criseyde, but don't as me where.

Really?

Regardless, the word like is incorrectly used often... At least by more modern standards.

At 5/8/08 06:59 PM, BeFell wrote: i before e
except after c
or when sounding like "a"
like in neighbor or weigh

and on weekends and holidays
and all throughout May
and you're going to be wrong
NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY!!

At 5/8/08 10:33 PM, Malachy wrote:

At 5/8/08 06:59 PM, BeFell wrote: i before e
except after c
or when sounding like "a"
like in neighbor or weigh

and on weekends and holidays
and all throughout May
and you're going to be wrong
NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY!!

Someday, somehow.
I'm gonna make it alright. But not right now
I know you're wondering when.
You're the only one who knows that.

Tip of the day;

In the event you should try and install or re-install the operating system of your computer after having COMPLETELY wiped the hard drive clean, make sure that the operating system package you buy can be used for bare setup is not as an upgrade to pre-existing software.

I learned this the hard way this evening, and would be on my way to using my own computer if it wasn't for this screw up. Now I have to wait until tomorrow in order to make the long journey BACK to Office Depot to buy a copy of Window's Vista. This is turning into one VERY expensive computer clusterfuck in a hurry.

Oh, and ISTJ.

At 5/8/08 10:39 PM, stafffighter wrote:

At 5/8/08 10:33 PM, Malachy wrote:

At 5/8/08 06:59 PM, BeFell wrote: i before e
except after c
or when sounding like "a"
like in neighbor or weigh

and on weekends and holidays
and all throughout May
and you're going to be wrong
NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY!!

Someday, somehow.
I'm gonna make it alright. But not right now
I know you're wondering when.
You're the only one who knows that.

I meant what I said, and I said what I meant.
An elephant's faithful, one hundred per cent.

At 5/8/08 09:04 PM, Christopherr wrote: At least by more modern standards.

But what are the standards?
I believe in Descriptive Grammar-- grammar that's natural to people. Grammar that changes and grows with people.

Prescriptive Grammar believes otherwise (I'm thinking you're in this category).
All I'm saying is this:

If Chaucer, and perhaps even Shakespeare, are using grammar that is supposedly bad-- what recourse do we have???

But... anyways... I got to go to work.
Ciao.

At 5/8/08 02:59 PM, BeFell wrote:
I've started to notice that i almost never goes before e despite the presence or absence of c. "Their?" maybe I should have learned the whole poem.

It's almost foreign this english language isn't it.

ps. /wH3RE RUL3Z R MAD3 2B BROK3n\

lO)

At 5/9/08 02:16 AM, fli wrote:

At 5/8/08 09:04 PM, Christopherr wrote:

If Chaucer, and perhaps even Shakespeare, are using grammar that is supposedly bad-- what recourse do we have???

We can go back in time and kill them, thus meaning I would never have to read Canteburry Tales and thus fixing all these problems.

At 5/9/08 04:14 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: ps. /wH3RE RUL3Z R MAD3 2B BROK3n\

1 JU5T WAN7 U 2 NO WH0 1 4M

also, my post ending that poem thing was a quote from Brian Regan

The REAL problem in English is that we don't have free word order or accentuation to help with word choices.

In all the other Romance languages your word order isn't set in stone. In English, it's Subject, verb, direct object, and that doesn't change very much.

I threw the ball, which in any other Romance language could be written Ball I threw or I the ball threw.

And no accentuation is what makes the stupid "i before e" rules worthless.

In speech there's a clear difference between " I read (reed) the book" and "I read (red) the book".

In writing it's the same, because we don't accent our vowels to note vowel sound changes.

It's that peculiarity in particular that makes English so fuggin difficult to learn as a second language, because most others will use some sort of accentuation or mark to show that vowel change.

Well, all is the way it should be again. I've got Windows Vista Basic running right now with only a small handfull of programs installed (Webroot Spysweeper with Antivirus, Webroot Window's Washer, Firefox, and Flashplayer), and I'm going to leave it that way for a week or so until I'm damn sure this machine won't crash on me again... so I'm going to be off City of Heroes for a while (not that any of you fuckers were interested in playing anyway).

Basically what happened was this; I turned it on one afternoon after coming home from work, and it came up with a black screen saying "Verifying DMI Pool Data....... Update Successful" and then it would stop. Since I couldn't open up Windows Safe Mode to go in and find what was going on, I wound up wiping the hard drive clean, then installing WVB and going from there. But now that I have something to go and remove partitions with, I should be able to go and get my laptop running more smoothly now as well.

In other news... you all need to buy this album, post haste. Listen to the samples to get an understanding why.

And my wallpaper combines three of my favorite things; catholic school girl outfits, anime, and rock 'n' roll. T

At 5/9/08 03:35 PM, Proteas wrote: In other news... you all need to buy this album, post haste. Listen to the samples to get an understanding why.

<listens>

Meh, not my sort of thing.

<puts on Firewind, goes back to reading Hobbes>

At 5/9/08 03:08 PM, Imperator wrote: I threw the ball, which in any other Romance language could be written Ball I threw or I the ball threw.

Haha, I hate to keep disagreeing with you but, dude, that's because English isn't a Romance language by far, it's a Germanic language that just happened to have borrowed a lot of vocabulary from French during the Norman occupation (and from Latin when scientists all communicated in Latin in the Middle Ages). My German sucks, but in Dutch the sentence structured is also rock solid in small sentences, there is a slight degree of freedom when adverbial phrases come into play but that's about it.

In speech there's a clear difference between " I read (reed) the book" and "I read (red) the book".

That's a real bitch in English though. I still have no idea how to pronounce 'evanescence' or 'perseverance' and I never will until I hear someone pronounce it since in English the pronunciation of a vowel seems to have been picked at random at some point in time (like doctrine vs. latrine or nation vs. national).

At 5/9/08 04:44 PM, lapis wrote: That's a real bitch in English though. I still have no idea how to pronounce 'evanescence' or 'perseverance' and I never will until I hear someone pronounce it since in English the pronunciation of a vowel seems to have been picked at random at some point in time (like doctrine vs. latrine or nation vs. national).

evanescence - evan-ne-since
perseverance- per-severe-ance

also depends on what type of English you are trying to speak. IE: British vs. US English. or what accent you're going for, english, southern US, Canadian, African

I saw a werewolf with a Chinese menu in his hand...

;

At 5/9/08 04:56 PM, Malachy wrote: evanescence - evan-ne-since
perseverance- per-severe-ance

Heh, thanks.

also depends on what type of English you are trying to speak. IE: British vs. US English. or what accent you're going for, english, southern US, Canadian, African

We were forced to speak British English in high school, but series like South Park and Family Guy totally messed me up and now I always go for the American versions of words like neither and rather. Most non-native English speakers probably do. Heh, I'm just afraid that I'll sound like a poser if I use American English interspersed with words pronounced in the UK version.

At 5/9/08 03:54 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: Meh, not my sort of thing.

You just don't know what good music sounds like when you hear it.

Wait....

That sounds like something my dad would say if my brother griped about his listening to Classic Country. O_o;

Um... here's a funny video I found.