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At 7/21/08 12:31 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 7/20/08 01:41 PM, morefngdbs wrote: *talleywhacker*

Also, PENIS!!!!

Talleywhacker -AKA- PENIS :)

God bless Boomerang! The only channel where I can actually watch Tom and Jerry cartoons which are the perfect way to cheer yourself up after a shit day.

At 7/21/08 12:26 AM, Proteas wrote:

At 7/20/08 11:12 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: Slipknot is the shit, but that song was a little light for them.

Oh that's right, he's actually singing there in the chorus... anything smoother than a cookie monster voice irritates your ears. ;-)

More like the

sooooonnnnggggg wwwwaaaaaassssss ssssooo ssssssllllooowww.....

I mean, are they getting old or something? Old drummer boy getting bad knees?

Yeah, DUH, the song was probably the poppiest on the album, but CHRIST. I expect some speed and some effin mayhem from slipknot. You're supposed to get faster and nastier over time, not slower and greasier.

It's a sad state of affairs when the effin KNOT slows down and starts trying to be all soulful and crap. If I liked that sort of thing, I'd listen to country. I DON'T LIKE THAT SORT OF THING.

At 7/21/08 12:31 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 7/21/08 03:23 AM, Christopherr wrote: Along with a possibly broken heart from Michelle Williams and his prior mental issues, his immersion most likely contributed to his overdosing.

While this is all well and good, chris, you fail to mention the fact that Heath Ledger was also working on another movie during the production of The Dark Night, namely. the Bob Dylan biopic I'm Not There, on which he developed walking pneumonia. If he had so immersed himself in his method acting that he could not seperate himself from the persona of the Joker, he would not have been able to work on the other movie starring as a character based on Bob Dylan.

Is it at all possible that the two combined and in character as Bob Dylan he killed himself over how uninspired the song "jokerman" was? Now that's some fucking method acting

At 7/21/08 05:13 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:
It's a sad state of affairs when the effin KNOT slows down and starts trying to be all soulful and crap. If I liked that sort of thing, I'd listen to country. I DON'T LIKE THAT SORT OF THING.

Yeah, if I wanted that I'd just listen to stone sour.

Christopherr, I think you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the history and character of the Batman, Heath Ledger's mental issues and eventual death, or method acting as a practice.

Your understanding of who and what Batman and the Joker are as characters in a rich history combining textual/visual and film media elements is lacking. If anything, the fact that the villains in previous Batman movies were not more prominent and richly developed is a lacking on the part of those filmmakers. This movie was celebrating the darker elements of the comic book character, not trying to follow in the footsteps of previous movies.

I'm not going to comment on Heath Ledger's death because frankly I don't think you care what really caused his problems. I also don't think you really understand the nature of mental illness and addiction, or if you do then you are being pretty fucking flippant about it.

As for method acting, there are a hell of a lot of excellent method actors who deserve nothing but accolades. It is not a shitty or overrated art form. Robert De Niro is a famous method actor, and he's not dead, and he's played some pretty goddamn fucked up characters. And played them well. Even if (and this is an extraordinarily tenuous if) method acting caused Ledger's death, method acting is not a "load of bull" at all.

You're talking out your ass about three subjects I care deeply about - Batman, overdose, and theatre - and it's pissing me off.

Oh, and Elfer - he did have scripts for at least most of the meds, he was just being overprescribed by a variety of doctors.

At 7/21/08 02:56 AM, Christopherr wrote: method acting...

First off,
there is nothing "liberal" about Method.

Second...
it takes time and, most importantly, WORK to create a character. The whole thing with "come-in... come-out" is nonesense.

I remember I did a monologue, years ago, from who knows what play, but it was a powerful monologue. It was a father, talking to the spirite of his son, a soldier who has died on the shores of Normandy. And he's asking for forgiveness.

One performance, I don't know why, seemed to effect me, and after that performance... I was depressed for the rest of the rest of the day. Just like it takes time to "get in" it takes time to "get out."

HOWEVER...
I think people misunderstand actor... they think they take on role after they're done with it. Well... that's not true.

There's just some eccentric people. And genuine problems.
If Ledger died, it wouldn't be because he couldn't get out of a part, or whatever.

More than likely...
he was having fun. A party here... some snorting there... it created a small problem here... another there. Until, eventually, it created greater problems. Then he tried to retreat further into his drug habbit.

At 7/21/08 05:59 PM, fli wrote:: More than likely...

he was having fun. A party here... some snorting there... it created a small problem here... another there. Until, eventually, it created greater problems. Then he tried to retreat further into his drug habbit.

Except he overdosed on drugs he had legitimate (if unnecessary) prescriptions for, antidepressants and sleep aids and loads of other things that normal people abuse in a non-recreational way every day.

Whoa, this topic has gotten fucking huge.

At 7/21/08 09:09 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: Whew, finally I'm back. I was unable to access any part of Newgrounds for three days from this computer for whatever reason. Judging by some comments I was seeing online, I wasn't the only one. Wonder what happened. I emailed Wade about it yesterday, and I don't know if he did anything or not, but now it works.

What did I miss?

Yeah, same thing happened to me. Couldn't get newgrounds from any computer.

i hate the comic book story of how the Joker became the Joker.

At 7/21/08 11:26 PM, SolInvictus wrote: i hate the comic book story of how the Joker became the Joker.

Yeah, me too. However, I did like Gary Oldman as James Gordon with Morgan Freeman and Micheal Caine as supporting roles.

At 7/21/08 11:26 PM, SolInvictus wrote: i hate the comic book story of how the Joker became the Joker.

I'm glad they never delved into his origins in this or the previous film.

At 7/21/08 11:35 PM, Freakapotimus wrote:

At 7/21/08 11:26 PM, SolInvictus wrote: i hate the comic book story of how the Joker became the Joker.

I'm glad they never delved into his origins in this or the previous film.

What were the Jokers origins? Was he a McDonalds(tm) spokesperson who killed an entire restraunt after he was abused by one too many bratty little kids? Were there people staring up with dead eyes, their windpipes blocked with hamburger patties made from charred cow intestines and suger? Did he carefully sharpen the french-fries to razor sharp points, stab his helples victims in the eyes and then give their blood splatterd remains an enemma of bananna shake and barbecue sauce?

No? Shame, if anybody deserves a fate like that it's the staff down at my local Mickeydees, fucking usless they are.

The Killing Joke by Alan Moore says that he was a failing comedian who was roped into commiting a robbery for money for his pregnant wife. Said wife died in a bottle heating acciedent and he tried to get out but they didn't let him. Said robbery is of a chemical plant he used to work at and while he there the police and Batman show up, he takes a dive into a tank, boom he's the Joker.
In the story he establishes himself as an unrealable narrator, saying he remembers the past different ways. A lot of people think that that means that the story is jsut what he thought it was at the time. I prefere to think that is what drove him nuts and he doesn't always remember it.
That being said I do like how they skipped an origion in the film and made him just a random event. That's how he's scariest.

At 7/21/08 10:54 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote: Except he overdosed on drugs he had legitimate (if unnecessary) prescriptions for, antidepressants and sleep aids and loads of other things that normal people abuse in a non-recreational way every day.

I'm not saying it has to be illegal drugs.
All I'm trying to say was that Ledger was a person who had problems and he coped with his problems by medicating himself. The fact that he was an actor had nothing to do with it.

Or, at least... it played a minor part in his problems, and they would be real problems... not some artistic-tormanted-artist thing ala Iris Chang sort of way.

At 7/22/08 12:08 AM, stafffighter wrote: That being said I do like how they skipped an origion in the film and made him just a random event. That's how he's scariest.

and the fact he actually wears makeup and didn't magically have his skin bleached, lips reddened, hair turned green and a smile permanently pasted to his face by some random chemical. i know its a comic book but come on.

At 7/22/08 12:40 AM, SolInvictus wrote: and the fact he actually wears makeup and didn't magically have his skin bleached, lips reddened, hair turned green and a smile permanently pasted to his face by some random chemical. i know its a comic book but come on.

I was just saying this earlier, myself. I thought it was a good move to have him wear makeup--makes him more psychotic. In different scenes, you could see creases in the foundation (must have not moisturized first) and bits sweating off. It made him more real. Never once did I think "this character is unbelievable."

The scene where he burned the money is what sold it for me. First he slide down the mountain of cash for a moments enjoyment and then he burned it to show how little it mattered. It's tactile and brilliant.

At 7/21/08 05:40 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote: If anything, the fact that the villains in previous Batman movies were not more prominent and richly developed is a lacking on the part of those filmmakers.

;;;
Maybe it's just me (and no I have not seen the latest Batman release) but I thought the Director did a good job on the Penguin Character (played by Danny DeVito) in "The Bat , The Cat & The Penguin "AKA Batman Returns ! In Batman (with Keaton & Nicholson) you were shown how The Joker was a Hood/Criminal & how he became the Joker, may not have made an indepth look at the Joker Character...but you knew he was homicidal & seen how he became the Joker . In Batman begins, it was an indepth look at Batman, where he came from, how he became Batman... outside help, Alfred etc.
In Batman & Robin... continues to develope the Character & build on the Comic Books Stories which as we all know developed Robin & Batgirl...I really liked the job Schwarzenegger did as 'Mr Freeze' the 'Hero's & Villians' profile galleries in the special features disc2 of that DVD were an attempt to give us more info as well.
Also as a male I have to mention Catwoman with "Halle Berry" while many Batman fans still put 'Julie Newman' as the best (she was the original Cat woman) & Eartha Kitt ,who I didn't find that hot...she did have the purrrrrfect character part down ... But honestly I found Halle Berry to be hot !
I mean ,,, well I mean I wanted some of that ! To be truthful !
Anyway these are what I have in my collection. I'm looking forward to this latest addition to the Batman series.

I'm not going to comment on Heath Ledger's death

;;;
As someone who works around actors, musicians at work in my everyday life...who cares ?
Just another talking head gone, there are thousands more up & comings just waiting for a shot.
While I will admit to some admiration for the people who have been in the industry for years & still produce, those who appear & FLASH!!!!, POOOF !!!! let the money & fame go to their heads & they self destruct, too bad, so sad let's move on.

Yes Skunky the Batman has always been a favorite of mine as well-More

I'm 18 today!
So I have 3 question for you guys:
1) Where's the pizza?
2) Where's the beer?
3) Where's the strippers?

At 7/22/08 09:46 AM, therealsylvos wrote: I'm 18 today!
So I have 3 question for you guys:
1) Where's the pizza?
2) Where's the beer?
3) Where's the strippers?

Happy Birthday... I thought you were older.

I've just watched a Uwe Boll movie and enjoyed it. It was slightly too long but was actually enjoyable.

At 7/22/08 09:46 AM, therealsylvos wrote: I'm 18 today!
So I have 3 question for you guys:
1) Where's the pizza?
2) Where's the beer?
3) Where's the strippers?

Happy Birthday... I thought you were older.
Yeah... Pizza and strippers, that' going to be within 3 years. (Strippers because... strip places serve beer, so you have to be 21.)

At 7/22/08 09:58 AM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: I've just watched a Uwe Boll movie and enjoyed it. It was slightly too long but was actually enjoyable.

Before I act cynical...
what movie did you see that was enjoyable?

I have avoided Boll's movies altogether, after seeing like... 3 horrible horror movies in a row. But, I'll give him a chance to see if he's doing better.

At 7/22/08 10:04 AM, fli wrote: Before I act cynical...
what movie did you see that was enjoyable?

In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale (aka Dungeon Siege the Movie).

It's your bog standard fantasy epic packed with some quite cool action sequences and fights. Very pretty in terms of cinematography as well. Would never win any awards ( even if Boll didn't have a stigma attached to him) but its a nice bit of escapism as I see it.

I have avoided Boll's movies altogether, after seeing like... 3 horrible horror movies in a row. But, I'll give him a chance to see if he's doing better.

This is the first one of his I've seen. I only bought it cause it was on offer and it was Dungeon Siege.

At 7/22/08 10:04 AM, fli wrote:

At 7/22/08 09:58 AM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: I've just watched a Uwe Boll movie and enjoyed it. It was slightly too long but was actually enjoyable.

Before I act cynical...
what movie did you see that was enjoyable?

I have avoided Boll's movies altogether, after seeing like... 3 horrible horror movies in a row. But, I'll give him a chance to see if he's doing better.

He stop making movies because none of his films came close to break-even.

At 7/22/08 10:58 AM, ThePretenders wrote: He stop making movies because none of his films came close to break-even.

I bet he could recover it if he had a second job as a boxer...
The only thing I'm happy is that he never made Silent Hill into a movie. (Although, the movie could be better...)

At 7/22/08 11:31 AM, fli wrote:

At 7/22/08 10:58 AM, ThePretenders wrote: He stop making movies because none of his films came close to break-even.

I bet he could recover it if he had a second job as a boxer...
The only thing I'm happy is that he never made Silent Hill into a movie. (Although, the movie could be better...)

He should go professional because he needs a lot of money to recoup his losses but he'll probably be beaten to a pulp. Seriously, he should stop with the video game adaptions because it sucks.

Well, I've heard his "Heart of America" movie is pretty good.
I think if he went with independent films and used talented unknowns, perhaps he could recover his reputation.

After all...
Adaptions are pretty tough to pull because fans of the original works will always have the highest expectations.

It seems to me, the worst movies I see, are always from my favorite books and games. I mean, I wasn't really happy with Silent Hill-- but that's because I had a lot of expectations.