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At 1/9/06 11:39 PM, red_skunk wrote: Wait, so did you read it? My parents have it, and I liked the movie, so I've been considering. In the past week I've read Brave New World, Amityville Horror, and How I Won The War. Nice, light fiction: junkfood for the brain.

i'm halfway through shipping news, which is pretty good. the style of writing is like newspaper headlines...its kind of cool.

i havn't read the latter two of your list. but i read brave new world a few months ago. and read 1984 last year around this time. as well as stephen king's "the stand' and a junkload. last year was pretty much the year i broke out reading a shitload of books really quickly.

i've been so busy with work and school lately i've only been able to read class assinged books and i think i pissed off a librarian in my local library...so i've been avoiding the place for a while now

The only reason I've been reading a bunch lately is because I'm at home, with nothing to do. Been staying up till five or six am, getting up at three, occasonally skipping sleep altogether.

This place sucks, can't wait till I head back to Ithaca. (This weekend, woot-teh)

At 1/9/06 11:57 PM, red_skunk wrote: This place sucks, can't wait till I head back to Ithaca. (This weekend, woot-teh)

you know home is bad when Ithaca is actually non sucky..

you're speaking o fithaca ny? if so...that place is one hell hole of a suicide causing place!

I have an interview tomorrow for that job as a border guard. Wish me luck. Fuck I dont want to get up that early to go for it.

At 1/10/06 12:06 AM, MALforPresident wrote:

At 1/9/06 11:57 PM, red_skunk wrote: This place sucks, can't wait till I head back to Ithaca. (This weekend, woot-teh)

you know home is bad when Ithaca is actually non sucky..

I was thinking about the same thing... sometimes I get bored of San Jose, although at least there's CalTrain to San Francisco.

At 1/8/06 06:38 PM, fli wrote:

At 1/8/06 06:32 PM, Samuel_HALL wrote: Did you even read Fight Club?

Yes I did. A few times.

I though the movie ending was very good.

Oh, it wasn't bad. And if I had never read the book, I wouldn't have complained.

But one of the key 'morals to the story', in the book, is that it's foolish to do the things the characters in the book did; that it's foolish to think that way.
The core of that story is that there is no 'defeating' order. The end of the book shows how all the anarchy in the world just forces to system to adapt you, and you it.

The movie leaves on a note of how cool and awesome explosions and anarchy is.

At 1/8/06 07:53 PM, Quanze13 wrote: Sam: about fight club, i totally agree how all 14 yr old anarchists should die.

I never said they should die.

In fact, they should be left alone. All the little anarchists grow-up, and they confrom to order. All the kids that, at this very moment, are downloading the Anarchist Cookbook...they'll grow up to get a job, and pay taxes.

They shall all succumb to capitilism. They shall all conform.

Everyone does, eventually. Life doesn't give you any other choice.

the book isn't even about anarchy. it is a modern take on the philosophy of trancendentalism, which talks about abandoning society and letting yourself become your own man. If you read palahniuk's other novels, especially invisible monsters and haunted, this theme cropps up again and again. Its still a great movie.

Exactly. Palahniuk is mocking that trancendatalism mind-set. He makes a farce, and a mockery of it.

All of his characters, who think that way (from Choke to Fight-Club) all eventually realize the error of their ways. They all eventually realize that there is no such things as 'seperating yourself from society'.

That alone is why the man is one of the best satirical and tragic writers of our times.

At 1/9/06 04:56 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 1/8/06 06:32 PM, Samuel_HALL wrote: Did you even read Fight Club?

Wait... Fight Club was a book?

lols.

Other literature notes: I just finished reading Slaughterhouse 5.

The book, itself, is wonderful. But the criticism (both from literary critics and consumers alike) is so fucking retarded, it makes me hate the book.

Anyone who read Slaughterhouse 5, and mistook it for an 'anti-war' book totally missed the point. That book is not 'anti-war' at all.

And because everyone says it is, I've begun to question the base logic of my peers.
Is 'war is really terrible' the only thing people took from Slaughterhouse 5?

Ignorant, lowly curs: the lot of you. The author is rolling over in his grave, for your gross misinterpretation of his book.

At 1/9/06 04:56 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 1/8/06 06:32 PM, Samuel_HALL wrote: Did you even read Fight Club?

Wait... Fight Club was a book?

Fight Club was also the movie.

I've got a few books I need to sit down and read... several, actually. I recently checked out "The Snow Garden" by Christopher Rice, so I may try that one out first.

I was reading "The Vampire Lestat" a few weeks ago, before my copy went and disappeared in the mess that is my room. I've cleaned several times since then looking for it, but I guess it just hopped through a hole in the space time continuem underneath my chest-of-drawers.

(Good Luck, JoS)

At 1/10/06 12:37 AM, -JoS- wrote: I have an interview tomorrow for that job as a border guard. Wish me luck. Fuck I dont want to get up that early to go for it.

Good luck. Hope you get to harass some old ladies smuggling their prescriptions across the border.

I thought I was doing better. I worked a full day at work yesterday, but today, about an hour into my shift, my knees just gave way and I collapsed to the floor. I felt like a marionette that suddenly had its strings cut. A couple of managers and members ran over. Fortunately, I didn't hit my head on anything, but they called an ambulance out for some reason. I felt so embarrassed, I had gotten up and sat down on a bench at the snack bar until I could catch my breath and get some strength back, when a couple of paramedics come rushing in. They even had the stretcher! Everybody was urging me to go to the hospital, but I didn't. They called my stepfather, and he came and picked me up, and we went up to my general practitioner.

Aside from a cough and some lightheadedness, I feel fine. I don't know what caused me to collapse like that.

I read a book on Jim Morrison.

It was poorly written.

EDN

At 1/10/06 12:37 AM, -JoS- wrote: I have an interview tomorrow for that job as a border guard. Wish me luck. Fuck I dont want to get up that early to go for it.

You go and you earn that mountie hat like we all know you deserve.

At 1/10/06 12:06 AM, MALforPresident wrote: you're speaking o fithaca ny? if so...that place is one hell hole of a suicide causing place!

It's the single place in upstate NY that let's a person forget that he's in upstate NY. What are you on?

At 1/10/06 06:58 AM, Samuel_HALL wrote: Ignorant, lowly curs: the lot of you. The author is rolling over in his grave, for your gross misinterpretation of his book.

Vonnegut is still alive you ignorant, lowly cur.

Vonnegut is still alive you ignorant, lowly cur

I liked his stuff, wrote some very interesting things indeed.

My old high school senior honors english teacher said if we could find him and get him to appear in our class he would give us all A+s and we could do whatever we wanted for the rest of the year......him or J.D. Salinger.......

Pipe Dreams are still fun though......

Vonneguts shit is nice, althogh sometimes tricky to understand. I don't think he ever gave any interviews explaining what HE wanted people to interpret from it, of course I could be wrong......

Slaughterhouse 5, Breakfast of Champions, good times in high school....

Same with Salinger, Catcher in the Rye was good. I liked "A Perfect Day for Bananafish" better. Had some REALLY interesting debated about that short there......

I would definitely suggest picking up Nine Stories by Salinger, if you have't read his shorts already.

At 1/10/06 06:00 PM, Rydia_Lockheart wrote: Good luck, JoS. Just don't ride the horse backwards and you'll do fine. :D

WOOT! I've been accepted to graduate school! Now to find housing...

Kudos!
What are studying?

I don't think I'm going to graduate school... I'm working for another major cause it's something I want to do.

At 1/10/06 06:08 PM, fli wrote:

At 1/10/06 06:00 PM, Rydia_Lockheart wrote:

I don't think I'm going to graduate school... I'm working for another major cause it's something I want to do.

What Fli?

At 1/10/06 06:13 PM, fenrus1989 wrote:

At 1/10/06 06:08 PM, fli wrote:

At 1/10/06 06:00 PM, Rydia_Lockheart wrote:

I don't think I'm going to graduate school... I'm working for another major cause it's something I want to do.

What Fli?

Drama... more specifically Radio-TV-Film

At 1/10/06 06:08 PM, Imperator wrote: I liked his stuff, wrote some very interesting things indeed.

Like, writes. He actually just came out with a new novel.

Vonneguts shit is nice, althogh sometimes tricky to understand. I don't think he ever gave any interviews explaining what HE wanted people to interpret from it, of course I could be wrong......

"I, for one, am not avid to keep the memory of the firebombing fresh. I would of course be charmed if people continued to read this book for years to come, but not because I think there are important lessons to be learned from the Dresden catastrophe. I myself was in the midst of it, and learned only that people can become so enraged in war that they will burn great cities to the ground, and slay the inhabitants thereof.
That was nothing new."

Last paragraph from... an introduction he wrote to an edition that came out in the seventies. I don't know what his intention was - and I am not terribly interested - but I doubt he has any problem with people reading it "anti-war", because. Well... It's hard not to come away feeling that way...

At 1/9/06 09:16 PM, fli wrote:

At 1/9/06 08:45 PM, Quanze13 wrote: Proteas, yes, the book was much better than the movie, and the author, Chuch Palahniuk has written many really good books, like Invisible monsters, haunted and lullabye. his most recent is called 'stranger than ficton' and its a bunch of 'short stories' about real people and events.

Oh well... I wouldn't say "really" good books.
But Fight Club was the best one.

I don't care for the rest-- Invisible Monsters was more or less. Choke was just not good.

I mean, its not that they're great literature or anything, they're just good easy fun reads. Especially since I've been having trancendentalist bullshit shoved down my throat in englash class for the last couple months, Palahniuk is more of a modern man's take on Emerson and Thoreau's ideas.

At 1/9/06 10:27 PM MALforPresident wrote:

somehow finding librarys that will loan me the 10 volumes of neil gaiman's "Sandman" : series, pick up Neil Gaiman's new book "anansi boys" (the sequal to "american gods"..or : was it prequal?)

After classics like The Watchmen, The Sandman is probably one of the best comic books ever. You totally won't regret reading it. Have you read the sequil series, 'Lucifur'? Its currently in the middle of a run from Verdigo and its not bad.

At 1/10/06 06:58 AM Samuel_HALL wrote:

But one of the key 'morals to the story', in the book, is that it's foolish to do the things the : characters in the book did; that it's foolish to think that way.
The core of that story is that there is no 'defeating' order. The end of the book shows how : all the anarchy in the world just forces to system to adapt you, and you it.

Very true. Although, I don't think the book is about how people shouldn't strive to defeat order, only how futile it is. The book is really just a fatalistic take on neieve anarchic idealistic writings and you're right about how its just him talking about how the society does just buy and sell everything. revolution and heroism become comodities, and who is going to pay for them?

Exactly. Palahniuk is mocking that trancendatalism mind-set. He makes a farce, and a : mockery of it.

All of his characters, who think that way (from Choke to Fight-Club) all eventually realize : the error of their ways. They all eventually realize that there is no such things as : 'seperating yourself from society'.

I have to disagree. In most of his books, his characters don't realize the futility of runing away from society, but find that society has run away from them. Like in Invisible Monsters the protaginist has a completely emersonian ending, having stripped away her shalow capitolistic persona, she is ready to find her true self. And in Lullabye, its just the opposite, the main character finds himself a represntative of a society that is becoming obsolete, while the two wiccens run away from it.

Enough with this smarty-pants talk. We need a link to something that will make people vomit and possibly want to tear their eyes out.

Rubber Johnny, Rubber Johnny

(Moderately creepy)

At 1/10/06 06:18 PM, fli wrote:

At 1/10/06 06:13 PM, fenrus1989 wrote:

At 1/10/06 06:08 PM, fli wrote:

At 1/10/06 06:00 PM, Rydia_Lockheart wrote:

Drama... more specifically Radio-TV-Film

Ah no Broadway. I feel that Broadway is funnier then most movies out there. Spamalot and The Producers to name a few.

But i can't act or play any sort of instrument or draw or paint, or anything creative.

At 1/10/06 06:59 PM, Empanado wrote: Enough with this smarty-pants talk. We need a link to something that will make people vomit and possibly want to tear their eyes out.

Rubber Johnny, Rubber Johnny

(Moderately creepy)

bleh. I've seen this before in adverts for aphex twin (a great techno group, for those of you who don't know), and its at the same time disgusting and amazing. minus the amazing part. It makes me want to be ill. I love it. Its horrible. Its great.

Like, writes. He actually just came out with a new novel.

Whops, little behind in the times......

Good stuff alll around....

Speaking of more "higher" level cultural experiences, I gotta get my ass back to the DSO or the DIA one of these days.....

I got a friend who plays trumpet for the DSO, never seen him play though, forshame on me.......

That's Detroit Symphony Orchestra and D-town Institute of Arts for most everyone else.....

At 1/10/06 07:05 PM, fenrus1989 wrote: But i can't act or play any sort of instrument or draw or paint, or anything creative.

Acting, music, and painting? These things have all been done before. Why don't you try doing something that no one could ever have possibly done? Then you'll be sure that you're doing it right. :P

At 1/10/06 07:05 PM, fenrus1989 wrote: Ah no Broadway. I feel that Broadway is funnier then most movies out there. Spamalot and The Producers to name a few.

Eh...
I'm more on the lines of script writing, producing, etc.

Because I am VERY interested in getting my script done very soon. Blah! Nobody has contacted me.

I've been on 3 other scripts, and waiting to have someone do the first one. The first one is good. I spent several years on it (since 10th grade, or when I was 15 years old). The other 3 were very quick, but then again-- I didn't have the story in my mind like the first one.

The next one I'm going to submit was inspired by Shakespeare's "Histories". You know... sorta historical, but lot of liberties done to change the story. Like Macbeth...

Well, I'm writing about "La Malinche" and Hernan Cortez-- It's a comedy in the sense that there are several funny character, but it ends sadly. The story is about Hernan Cortez' inability to know what he wants: the love of Malintzin and have no social mobility, or to marry a Spanish woman and have mobility.

At 1/10/06 07:22 PM, fli wrote:

At 1/10/06 07:05 PM, fenrus1989 wrote:

Eh...
I'm more on the lines of script writing, producing, etc.

Because I am VERY interested in getting my script done very soon. Blah! Nobody has contacted me.

Well you have to sell out Fli, i love the ideas for your scripts but the general populace probally doesn't. Just do something that the general will like and enjoy.

At 1/10/06 07:48 PM, fenrus1989 wrote: Well you have to sell out Fli, i love the ideas for your scripts but the general populace probally doesn't. Just do something that the general will like and enjoy.

Sad thing is that my script is pretty decent, and doesn't really on excessive sex, drugs, or violence. (Although, there are some.)

It's about two brotehrs and two friends. They meet each other after a decade, and they hate each other, and it all ends in tragedy. But there are TONS of funny moments.

Anyways,
I think I have a knack at good story development and creating organic characters, but at the end-- this is useless skill in the entertainment business.

Sigh--
Well, I'm going to continue writing just for fun.

At 1/10/06 08:05 PM, fli wrote:

At 1/10/06 07:48 PM, fenrus1989 wrote:

Anyways,
I think I have a knack at good story development and creating organic characters, but at the end-- this is useless skill in the entertainment business.

One word, Books, i get this speech from my english teacher for good writing all the time. Thats what you need to do, write a book. Something with sequels, like Rowling did.

How about fli writes a story about two people with only one thing in common who clash for two hours and then kiss?

Maybe he could do a story of a sports teams that are the underdogs untill a tough but kind leader teaches them about life?

There could be a story in that teenage boys want sex but have diffculty getting it!

Fuck all this, it takes people willing to make diffrent things to make anyone notice. I applaud flis efforts and would see his shows if the theaters didn't demand I dress up.