The recent protestings.

[EvilBread]

Has anyone seen these protests? Looks like ex-vietnam protestors to me. I heard on the radio a very good explanation against these protests, that what..only 10million something people were protesting around the world(could be alot more, not 100% sure) and there are over 9billion something people in the world, this is not going to make a difference at all however much they will kick and scream for it to, it is only good for them to blow off some steam before/if we go to war.

Once again I may be a tad bit off in the numbers, but the fact still remains.

[Evanauto]

hey if anyone from Austin TX, or Cleveland OH could you please tell me if there was PRO-war rallies there?

Paul Harvey said there was rallies in these cities to show support for Bush.

I'm not a fan of Paul Harvey i just wanted to see if that bias radio personallity made it up od if there was actual rallies in those cities.

:Ussualy we can
.Vietnam the future of drugs like cocain,rasta cu'z that way goverment bring the army to punish.

[InSaNeFooL]

All I heard on the protests was there was over a million in London alone. Good job Brits!

[IraqNOphobiA]

Recent polls;

65% Against war in latin america
75% Against war in Europe
90% Against war in Russia
and a supposed 100% opposition in China (thats already 1 billion)

Scource: CBS(Nl) worldfactbook,

The majority of the World is against bloodshed in iraq, and no matter what the Us propaganda (the Office for Strategic Influence) say on the radio. THE MAJORITY Of 6 billion people IS AGAINST WAR!

[TheEvilOne]

At 3/7/03 09:41 AM, IraqNOphobiA wrote: Recent polls;

65% Against war in latin america
75% Against war in Europe
90% Against war in Russia
and a supposed 100% opposition in China (thats already 1 billion)

Scource: CBS(Nl) worldfactbook,

The majority of the World is against bloodshed in iraq, and no matter what the Us propaganda (the Office for Strategic Influence) say on the radio. THE MAJORITY Of 6 billion people IS AGAINST WAR!

I don't consider polls to be authoritative in saying that the majority of the population of the world is opposed to war. Polls are taken from just a small sample of the population, and there can be bias in the way they are conducted.

How many people know what the situation in Iraq really is? How many people even care? I'm sure that some of those polled were not passionately against war, but people who don't closely follow world events and just think war in general should be avoided. Saying that the majority of the world's population is opposed to war is a stretch.

[RoboTripper]

At 3/7/03 12:24 PM, TheEvilOne wrote:

I don't consider polls to be authoritative in saying that the majority of the population of the world is opposed to war. Polls are taken from just a small sample of the population, and there can be bias in the way they are conducted.

The sample of the population is compensated for by adding a +/- to the statistics, and it rarely takes more than a +/- of a few percentage points to make the poll statistically accurate even if the sample size is small.

I agree with your point about bias - "statistics never lie, but statisticians do", but that is the information that's on the table and it shouldn't just be discounted because there COULD be bias involved. I haven't seen stats put out there that show a majority of the world supports the war - if you have seen them then I stand corrected.

How many people know what the situation in Iraq really is? How many people even care? I'm sure that some of those polled were not passionately against war, but people who don't closely follow world events and just think war in general should be avoided. Saying that the majority of the world's population is opposed to war is a stretch.

I disagree. The US is a very nationalistic country which historically is very much behind its country and even it is fairly evenly split (when it comes to attacking w/out UN support). So I don't think it would be a stretch that the rest of the world is very much opposed.

In Europe and Latin America I would bet the average person is more informed about world affairs than the average American - Russia and China I discount because I think the state control over the media prevents them from making a fair analysis. But if a person says that they oppose the war, it is poor form to question their passion and knowledge about the subject - I feel that the world is quite concerned about the situation.

[TheEvilOne]

At 3/7/03 12:55 PM, DenkSmoker wrote: The sample of the population is compensated for by adding a +/- to the statistics, and it rarely takes more than a +/- of a few percentage points to make the poll statistically accurate even if the sample size is small.

I agree with your point about bias - "statistics never lie, but statisticians do", but that is the information that's on the table and it shouldn't just be discounted because there COULD be bias involved. I haven't seen stats put out there that show a majority of the world supports the war - if you have seen them then I stand corrected.

The point I was trying to make was about IraqNOphobiA's claim that the majority of the world's population is opposed to war, and it is my opinion that you shouldn't jump to that conclusion based on poll data alone.

I disagree. The US is a very nationalistic country which historically is very much behind its country and even it is fairly evenly split (when it comes to attacking w/out UN support). So I don't think it would be a stretch that the rest of the world is very much opposed.

In Europe and Latin America I would bet the average person is more informed about world affairs than the average American - Russia and China I discount because I think the state control over the media prevents them from making a fair analysis. But if a person says that they oppose the war, it is poor form to question their passion and knowledge about the subject - I feel that the world is quite concerned about the situation.

It wouldn't surprise me if the average European is more informed than the average American, and I'm sure that many of them are passionate. I was just saying that there could be some people who are apathetic. I'm not saying that Europeans in general are unpassionate and uninformed; I was just trying to make the point that poll data isn't always 100% reliable.

[JMHX]

Like I so often say: even though I'm anti-war, you're not going to see me at a rally. They're just a novelty for the local stations and you get clumped into that whole "raving lunatic" category.

[EvilBread]

The majority of me says that going to war is a good idea, but the other half of me thinks this there is something fishy about this. Call me crazy but is the american public not being told the whole story? Ah what do we care, we are to busy watching american idol and Joe millionare and worrying about our weight problems, why should we care about a war?

[Commander-K25]

At 3/7/03 04:24 PM, TheEvilOne wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if the average European is more informed than the average American, and I'm sure that many of them are passionate. I was just saying that there could be some people who are apathetic. I'm not saying that Europeans in general are unpassionate and uninformed; I was just trying to make the point that poll data isn't always 100% reliable.

Not only unreliable but easily manipulated. If you ask the right questions to the right people and spin the results the right way, you can 'prove' almost anything you want.

"There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."
-Mark Twain

[JMHX]

At 3/8/03 01:41 AM, Commander-K25 wrote:

At 3/7/03 04:24 PM, TheEvilOne wrote:

Not only unreliable but easily manipulated. If you ask the right questions to the right people and spin the results the right way, you can 'prove' almost anything you want.

George W. Bush, or at least the administration backing him in the White House, appear to be masters of the Spin Tactic. They can turn a debate on North Korea to Iraq's breach of resolution in a sentence and a half.