jesus died for our sins, wtf?!?

[Toocool100]

"jesus died for our sins"

what the hell does that even mean anyway?

people were bad, therefore jesus died to save our souls? or something. why would somebody have to die to save our souls. why would our souls be saved because he died. And because jesus died for our sins, doesn't that mean we can keep on sinning away and just proclaim that he still died for us. this whole concept is stupid and makes no sense.

[Grubby]

Are you atheist?

Well he died, so he could ask the lord to forgive us, and to give us a chance to gain salvation from the lord. Not only for the sins. He died to show others that he loved us, and I think the lord showed pity to him, and forgave us.

Yea.

[FeargusMcDuff]

What I don't get Is people still say "Jesus died for our sins" but that was 2000 years ago. He died for their sins. And If not, then I can sin all I want because Jesus died for my sins. Which Is right?

[RedScorpion]

At 8/17/06 07:25 PM, Toocool100 wrote: "jesus died for our sins"

what the hell does that even mean anyway?

It means that he enabled forgiveness of our transgressions.

Though I believe you must seek forgiveness first.

Don't expect it to be too logical. :-P

[Maus]

It's something people have argued about for close to 2000 years. Don't expect groundbreaking insight from the average NG user.

[Toocool100]

At 8/17/06 07:27 PM, -Grubby- wrote: Are you atheist?

Well he died, so he could ask the lord to forgive us, and to give us a chance to gain salvation from the lord. Not only for the sins. He died to show others that he loved us, and I think the lord showed pity to him, and forgave us.

Yea.

no, he died because people killed him.

[Joshbad]

jesus died to hmmm i guess pay for the sins we commited? i gues thats what it means...

[Sanka]

He died because I stabbed that snitches white ass.

[Para-Noid]

At 8/17/06 07:28 PM, FeargusMcDuff wrote: What I don't get Is people still say "Jesus died for our sins" but that was 2000 years ago. He died for their sins. And If not, then I can sin all I want because Jesus died for my sins. Which Is right?

Correctomoondo

[Grubby]

At 8/17/06 07:30 PM, Toocool100 wrote:

At 8/17/06 07:27 PM, -Grubby- wrote: Are you atheist?

Well he died, so he could ask the lord to forgive us, and to give us a chance to gain salvation from the lord. Not only for the sins. He died to show others that he loved us, and I think the lord showed pity to him, and forgave us.

Yea.

no, he died because people killed him.

But he was meant to die in the first place.
He was born to die for our sins, he is the messiah.
And he asked god to forgive the people who killed them because they didn't know any better, and also the atheists.

[The-TURD1]

At 8/17/06 07:30 PM, Toocool100 wrote:
no, he died because people killed him.

Yes, true, but no. God knew His son would die, but it was for a good cuase. Plus, hes still alive anyway, and hes coming back ^_^.

So dont ask geeky logicle questions, cuase they always get pwned.

[Toocool100]

At 8/17/06 07:31 PM, -Grubby- wrote:

At 8/17/06 07:30 PM, Toocool100 wrote:

At 8/17/06 07:27 PM, -Grubby- wrote: Are you atheist?

Well he died, so he could ask the lord to forgive us, and to give us a chance to gain salvation from the lord. Not only for the sins. He died to show others that he loved us, and I think the lord showed pity to him, and forgave us.

Yea.

no, he died because people killed him.

But he was meant to die in the first place.
He was born to die for our sins, he is the messiah.
And he asked god to forgive the people who killed them because they didn't know any better, and also the atheists.

i only saw the movie once, but it seems as though you watched the passion of the christ one too many times. everyone is ment to die, why dont i die and forgive peoples sins. and he was just some nut anyway, nobody is the son of god. if the "second coming of jesus" was born and is now trying to bring everyone together again, it wouldn't happen because everyone would think he is a nut job. its no different back then, except people actually belived him

[Maus]

At 8/17/06 07:34 PM, Toocool100 wrote: i only saw the movie once

You could try reading the book if you really want to understand this better.

[NGCA]

Some people believe Jesus was God.

I pimp smack those people.

[JackRabbitStudios]

More of a covenent thing. Something about how Adam from the genesis fucked up miserably and closed off the gates of heaven for mankind and Jesus's death being the new covenant, which allowed mankind access to heaven or something.

[Adam]

At 8/17/06 07:43 PM, JackRabbitStudios wrote: Adam from the genesis fucked up miserably

I do that a lot.

But he was meant to die in the first place.
He was born to die for our sins, he is the messiah.
And he asked god to forgive the people who killed them because they didn't know any better, and also the atheists.

Please know what you're talking about before you say it, it's people like you that make people hate Christians. Jesus argued with God the night before he died, he did not want to sacrifice himself.

[Monodi]

This is the point were I hate religion threads, so repetitive.

[bimpy]

i was born chrisian and i would ask my self if jesus died for our sins why are we born with natural sin? i ask the priest and he said GOD WORKS IN MYTERIOS WAYS.... bullcrap

[Adam]

At 8/17/06 07:50 PM, bimpy wrote: i was born chrisian and i would ask my self if jesus died for our sins why are we born with natural sin? i ask the priest and he said GOD WORKS IN MYTERIOS WAYS.... bullcrap

"dont hate me because of my age i turn 14 on the 19th of august "

I rather doubt that.

[artville]

You are absolutely correct! You can basically do whatever you want, because Jesus took our sinds... but it is only if you believe that Jesus really did it, that you can be relieved.. Because it doesn't matter if we don't believe him....

[MaidenHead]

What about all the people that died before Jesus standing up for him? Did they all go to hell?

[Dark-Phire]

I teabagged Jesus' sac.

[TailsPrower]

Jesus died so that we could go to heaven. This does NOT mean that you can just rape, kill, or spew blasphemy your whole life and expect God to let it fly. And what is all this anti christianity crap? Religion, especially christianity, is about having something called "faith" meaning that you believe without conclusive evidence. Must i elaborate any further?

[artville]

At 8/17/06 08:13 PM, MaidenHead wrote: What about all the people that died before Jesus standing up for him? Did they all go to hell?

Probably!

[Lazer-ponie2000]

Before Jesus we had to sacrifice or finest livestalk daily... Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice.. we gain everything he loses it all.. he went to hell... and came back...

[ArabFreak]

[18:1] Praise GOD, who revealed to His servant this scripture, and made it flawless.

[18:2] A perfect (scripture) to warn of severe retribution from Him, and to deliver good news to the believers who lead a righteous life, that they have earned a generous recompense.

[18:3] Wherein they abide forever.

[18:4] And to warn those who said, "GOD has begotten a son!"

[18:5] They possess no knowledge about this, nor did their parents. What a blasphemy coming out of their mouths! What they utter is a gross lie.

[18:6] You may blame yourself on account of their response to this narration, and their disbelieving in it; you may be saddened.

[poisoned-soul777]

The penalty for sin is death so in order to save us he gave his life to pay that penalty i'm surprised you don't know that whole story

[mexicansrulz]

Dam Atheist think their so smart.

[FeargusMcDuff]

At 8/17/06 08:30 PM, mexicansrulz wrote: Dam Atheist think their so smart.

That's because we are so smart. Everyone else Is wrong and we all know It.

[MortifiedPenguins]

Short and Simple.

Before the coming of Christ, it was impossible to actually go into heaven, except for very few occasions(Elijah being one of them).

With the coming of Christ, and his sacrifice for our death(he knew he was going to die already, he rolled with us) he conquered everlasting death and gave us a chance for everlasting life with the father almighty.

Got it.