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At 8/18/06 03:32 PM, LJCoffee wrote:

At 8/18/06 02:14 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: Only if you're following your assumed point that you end up in a parallel universe, does that make sense!

nope - parallel universes and alternate realities can't

exist?

What if its just a matter of evolution, that the race must physically advance to a certain point tho?

Still the same boat - any type of advancement, scientific, evolutionary or otherwise that would ultimately lead to time travel all still ends up with the same problem of entities going back in time and introducing ideas or technology before they are invented - all of it would result in the cascade...

but only if the people who are trying to stop, those that are trying to reveal or exploit the technology too, faul in their job.

and since gorebastard already won, i guess i can carry on and say if they have time machines, they'd have memory control.

but this is getting all a bit surrealist and scary, i dont wanna play no more :P

A lorry is trying to run spamwarrior over... spamwarrior should be safe from the lorry.

That happened to me this morning but I broke out the calculator to compute the distances and I remained safe...

really? well i was lying anyway :P

Didn't Gorebastard already win this??

yes. for winning i gave him crabs.

ahhh the bickerings of a year gone past - I have a hankering for some neo-philosophizing - anyone up for another shot at something relevant other than the discussions of u know.. all the mistakes of the past that are already encompassed in this thread? :p

At 9/13/07 08:23 PM, Chronamut wrote: ahhh the bickerings of a year gone past - I have a hankering for some neo-philosophizing - anyone up for another shot at something relevant other than the discussions of u know.. all the mistakes of the past that are already encompassed in this thread? :p

like what char

im up for blowing a couple minds

At 9/13/07 08:27 PM, DoobyTimePiece wrote:

At 9/13/07 08:23 PM, Chronamut wrote: ahhh the bickerings of a year gone past - I have a hankering for some neo-philosophizing - anyone up for another shot at something relevant other than the discussions of u know.. all the mistakes of the past that are already encompassed in this thread? :p

like what char

im up for blowing a couple minds

how is it ive developed yet ANOTHER nickname?

where did "char" come from?

At 9/13/07 08:30 PM, Chronamut wrote: where did "char" come from?

I think it's a short for "Charo" because the two of you look so much alike...

It must be the boobs.

At 9/14/07 12:28 AM, LJCoffee wrote: It must be the boobs.

Epic boob discussion nigh.

Why do guys generally like large breasts? Is it because in ancient times, large breasts meant they were healthy and/or able to provide for their children?
I've been thinking a lot about how our ancestors lived, and how it's affected all of us. For example:

Low rumbly noises = large predator breathing nearby = fear. Even today, low rumbly sounds are scary.
High tinkly sounds = fresh water = peace. Listen to some soft, chill, relaxing music, and there's a good chance that there'll be some water bubbling or chimes tinkling in there somewhere.

also, you feel relieved when you pee.

Er, as opposed to small ones?

Don't think there's much thought required on that one.

At 9/14/07 01:52 AM, Erkie wrote: Don't think there's much thought required on that one.

Exactly. WHY?

At 9/14/07 02:01 AM, RigAudio wrote:

At 9/14/07 01:52 AM, Erkie wrote: Don't think there's much thought required on that one.

Exactly. WHY?

Because the known fact is BIGGER IS better. In pretty much everything.

Erkie seems to be the only person using any part of his Cerebrum in this thread, though I guess you can blame the tone of the thread on Chronamut for using "intelligent" and "ppl" successively.

large breasts arent everything.

For example - if you saw a morbidly obese woman with boobs the size of cannons that sagged to her stomach (think generic lunch lady) I am pretty sure you wouldnt be like "OMG! SWEATER COWS!"

NO.. from what I have observed.. its how unlikely a small waist can support a gigantic " natural" rack - cuz those silicon parts .. are made for toys (lol mc mixalot reference)

altho this is another interesting thing. Chest and ass are like the 2 most important thing.. for ALL kinds of men. Gay men included. Iook at a man's chest and ass.. just that little bit of beefiness.. and if its good then the front ill suck and the back i'll fuck XD

At 9/15/07 08:05 PM, Chronamut wrote:

and if its good then the front ill suck and the back i'll fuck XD

k thanks man...im gonna have the worst GAYZOR nightmares today...¬¬

At 9/14/07 02:01 AM, RigAudio wrote: Exactly. WHY?

Because it's not actually a philosophical question. It's how do you take your erections?

At 9/15/07 08:05 PM, Chronamut wrote: large breasts arent everything.

You're gay.

lol

At 9/17/07 03:02 AM, Erkie wrote:

At 9/14/07 02:01 AM, RigAudio wrote: Exactly. WHY?

Because it's not actually a philosophical question. It's how do you take your erections?

At 9/15/07 08:05 PM, Chronamut wrote: large breasts arent everything.

You're gay.

lol

YOU'RE GAY!

now what? :P

At 9/22/07 09:29 PM, Chronamut wrote:

At 9/17/07 03:02 AM, Erkie wrote:

At 9/14/07 02:01 AM, RigAudio wrote: Exactly. WHY?

Because it's not actually a philosophical question. It's how do you take your erections?

At 9/15/07 08:05 PM, Chronamut wrote: large breasts arent everything.

You're gay.

lol

YOU'RE GAY!

now what? :P

ah - several months later I once again stumble upon this thread - looks like i ended it on a note noone dared to touch last time

philosophy is fun - it allows people to argue over things they have no proof about - kind of like politics :p

tits as in birds?//

if you bang rocks together you can attract squrrels, if youre ever lost in the woods and hungry for squirrel

At 5/18/08 09:15 AM, pr0de wrote:

if you bang rocks together you can attract squrrels, if youre ever lost in the woods and hungry for squirrel

mmm squirrel, i'd just pull a ray mears and make a kebab out of mushrooms and tree sap

but now to the philosophy, i have been waiting for a thread like this because every time i do my paper round i get loads of deep ideas

so heres a debate:

Religion is a lie. considering there are so many different religions some with conflicting ideas and teachings, only a few can be true (at one time). and considering people devote their entire lives to religions, millions of people in the world are wasting their lives and childrens lives.

so if people are so ceceptable to religion and are willing to follow it blindly. whats to stop a religion being used to control people. in early times christian services where read in latin so that people wouldn't understand the teaching and would just abide by the church, religion is a tool to control people which in some cases gets out of hand and produces religious fanatics, which leads to war. so religion is war

in my opinion, a new religion should be formed in which there is no worship of a god or idol and instead only the teaching of morals, think christianity but without all the wasted time, singing and praying and "speaking in tongues", a religion that teaches people to be good, productive, peacful, friendly and helpful. although something like this couldn't ever be implemented in todays society because other religions would be angered and would cause conflict.

because other religions are bound to worshiping a conscious being that doesn't exsist. and is only believed in because people want something they can blame or beg. when you want something badly, you pray to god, in the hope that begging to someone might secure you getting it, when at heart you know he/she isn't there. and its a case of push/pull scenario. I went through a religious phase are realised that i was only telling myself god exsisted because i said gd didnt exsist i'd burn in hell for eternity, or likewise with getting into heaven

there is no logic in there being eternal torture or eternal pleasure after we die, although i suppose now i'm focusing on christianity and islam too much. other religions are different but in the end offer similar things

end of rant (2nd-Edision Vs Religion)

comments?

At 5/18/08 10:28 AM, 2nd-Edition wrote: Religion is a lie. considering there are so many different religions some with conflicting ideas and teachings, only a few can be true (at one time). and considering people devote their entire lives to religions, millions of people in the world are wasting their lives and childrens lives.

Well... From another point of view existence of god is only a possibility amongs a vast amount of other possibilities. Maybe besides physical world we know there is an astral realm? Or other parallel worlds? Or a huge anus? The only problem is we DO NOT have ground to say if there is anything more and what it is. It would be ignorance to say "there is a god", but it would also be ignorance to claim that there's no god. Most religions seem incoherent, that's true, but maybe there's a God that's totally different from any of the gods we created? Maybe deists are right?

Well, who cares, let's carry on with our lifes and wait, maybe there'll be some scientific proof about existence or non-existence of afterlife, soul, god and whatnot.

so if people are so ceceptable to religion and are willing to follow it blindly. whats to stop a religion being used to control people. in early times christian services where read in latin so that people wouldn't understand the teaching and would just abide by the church, religion is a tool to control people which in some cases gets out of hand and produces religious fanatics, which leads to war. so religion is war

Yeah, generally religions are dumb and force people not to think. All the brainwashing makes me sick. And all those teists that cannot provide any logical arguments about anything they believe in.

in my opinion, a new religion should be formed in which there is no worship of a god or idol and instead only the teaching of morals, think christianity but without all the wasted time, singing and praying and "speaking in tongues", a religion that teaches people to be good, productive, peacful, friendly and helpful.

No need to form a new religion. Never heard of Unitarian Universalism? I heard a lot of atheists and agnostics (such as myself) are in this movement. They believe that everyone has their own beliefs and brains - and so they put emphasis on morality and all the important stuff.

although something like this couldn't ever be implemented in todays society because other religions would be angered and would cause conflict.

I disagree. All those rational movements and all that stuff are in the shadows now, but they're getting stronger. Catholic Church slowly falls in Great Britain from what I know. Maybe in future catholicism will lose all that power and... something interesting will happen :D

because other religions are bound to worshiping a conscious being that doesn't exsist. and is only believed in because people want something they can blame or beg. when you want something badly, you pray to god, in the hope that begging to someone might secure you getting it, when at heart you know he/she isn't there. and its a case of push/pull scenario. I went through a religious phase are realised that i was only telling myself god exsisted because i said gd didnt exsist i'd burn in hell for eternity, or likewise with getting into heaven

Hell yeah, that's the very basis of it.

there is no logic in there being eternal torture or eternal pleasure after we die, although i suppose now i'm focusing on christianity and islam too much. other religions are different but in the end offer similar things

Yeah, there are always things in religions created to scare ppl or promise a reward. And to make them feel good.

comments?

What? I just listed those above!

At 5/18/08 10:54 AM, meneldil wrote:
Well... From another point of view existence of god is only a possibility amongs a vast amount of other possibilities. Maybe besides physical world we know there is an astral realm? Or other parallel worlds? Or a huge anus? The only problem is we DO NOT have ground to say if there is anything more and what it is. It would be ignorance to say "there is a god", but it would also be ignorance to claim that there's no god. Most religions seem incoherent, that's true, but maybe there's a God that's totally different from any of the gods we created? Maybe deists are right?

trouble is we as a species are so curious, unlike other animals on our planet, We are always asking questions about everything like why do we exsist and why is everything as it is, why does exsistance occur ?, and we may never know, so we fabricate god and religion to answer the questions that our brains can't cope with, just like death and the after life. Imagine what its like not to exsist, you cant its impossible to feel what its like to not be exsisting so therefore we can't accept just dieing and thats it, but i disagree, good ol' human logic has seen us this far in discovering so much scientific knowledge about how the universe is made and works, so whats to say logic won't let us find answers to all the questions that god is there to satisfy, and if we all put our minds together we could pull it off,

which is something else i often ponder, what if (like the borg on star trek *cough ima nerd cough*) we all shared a consciousness, or at less something to unify our aims and purpose in life, best example would be the space race, what if instead of competing, america and russia collaberated, think of the progress they could have made. War holds us back, and is produced from religion, so its a vicious cycle, religion stops us answering the qustions that answer religion with logic

i love going on little rants like that

Well, who cares, let's carry on with our lifes and wait, maybe there'll be some scientific proof about existence or non-existence of afterlife, soul, god and whatnot.

i suppose yeah get on with our lives, but at the end of the day, we are too curious to not know the truth about these days, and we'll never know if its just a few individuals that are willing to try and find answers, but if we could unify humanity to one cause, something we are naturally made for then we are sorted, something like . . . Exploration !, although im starting to get way too utopian sounding now

No need to form a new religion. Never heard of Unitarian Universalism? I heard a lot of atheists and agnostics (such as myself) are in this movement. They believe that everyone has their own beliefs and brains - and so they put emphasis on morality and all the important stuff.

kool ! i might just check that out

I disagree. All those rational movements and all that stuff are in the shadows now, but they're getting stronger. Catholic Church slowly falls in Great Britain from what I know. Maybe in future catholicism will lose all that power and... something interesting will happen :D

yeah our society is so fluid, it just takes time, LOTS of time, just think at one time everyone worshipped multiple gods, nowadays that considered riddiculous, maybe eventually one god will be

At 5/18/08 12:19 PM, 2nd-Edition wrote: trouble is we as a species are so curious, unlike other animals on our planet, We are always asking questions about everything like why do we exsist and why is everything as it is, why does exsistance occur ?, and we may never know, so we fabricate god and religion to answer the questions that our brains can't cope with, just like death and the after life. Imagine what its like not to exsist, you cant its impossible to feel what its like to not be exsisting so therefore we can't accept just dieing and thats it, but i disagree, good ol' human logic has seen us this far in discovering so much scientific knowledge about how the universe is made and works, so whats to say logic won't let us find answers to all the questions that god is there to satisfy, and if we all put our minds together we could pull it off,

Well... I agree :D

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke

There are still a lot of things that we have to discover and learn (hooray for science), and (as you say) we want the knowledge now, so we try to come up with something hastily. The effects are some wierd theories and beliefs with lots of supernatural powers, often not very coherent. Furthermore - leaders of religions use the fact that humans are so curious for their benefit. Humans often prefer to live in illusion that they already know everything, so the leaders are successfull.

which is something else i often ponder, what if (like the borg on star trek *cough ima nerd cough*) we all shared a consciousness, or at less something to unify our aims and purpose in life, best example would be the space race, what if instead of competing, america and russia collaberated, think of the progress they could have made. War holds us back, and is produced from religion, so its a vicious cycle, religion stops us answering the qustions that answer religion with logic.

Yeah. Religions are bad since they trap people in illusions and slow down getting real knowledge. I agree.

i love going on little rants like that

yay! :P

Well, who cares, let's carry on with our lifes and wait, maybe there'll be some scientific proof about existence or non-existence of afterlife, soul, god and whatnot.

i suppose yeah get on with our lives, but at the end of the day, we are too curious to not know the truth about these days, and we'll never know if its just a few individuals that are willing to try and find answers, but if we could unify humanity to one cause, something we are naturally made for then we are sorted, something like . . . Exploration !, although im starting to get way too utopian sounding now

It might be possible in future to at least some little extent, eh?

I often wonder how science could prove some issues... Like if we cloned a newborn and made it live in a very similar environment as the "original" child, we might be able to say something about the existance of soul. Cause if it behaved more or less like the original, it would probably mean it doesn't have a soul, eh? I know it's impossible to provide the very same environment and all that, but if we did like 50 such experiments we could tell.

At 5/18/08 07:13 PM, sorohanro wrote: now we're getting somewhere ...
I'm having a lot of thoughts about this subject, the problem is that i don't quite have good English knowledge to express those ...

Yeah, same here. But there's still something i would like to add.

Well, there's nothing i'm going to say, only more arguments.

Basically, religion leads to war, and i especially think about the crusades, or what other would say "Holy War". Think about this : the Crusades can be considered as the first "holy war" (altough i believe there were other before). The first crusades took place in 1095. Today, we're in 2008 and there are still "holy wars". Do you realize that despite humaninity being able to evolve, religion maintained it at the state of fanatism to the point of murder for almost 1000 years. 1000 years, and religion still hasn't evolved.

Oh, and a quick funny fact. Did you know that the "Jedi religion" almost became an official religion ?

Can't we all just get along?

epic bump!

and yes I had a relevant reason for bumping my thread :3

I had an interesting brainstorm the other day - one giant reason over the past few years of me creating music was to break the barriers of sound quality until one day I would create something so masterfully wonderful and godlike that it wou8ld make regular songs sound like crap. But then I wondered, If I did that, wouldn't I be destroying million's of users average anjoyment of music all over the world?

Take a singer, Imagine the singer is some godlike singer from another world - and sharing their musical experience with us totally obliterated any music we could possibly make to compare. Would we thank this being for enrapturing us with a musical experience that basically was like a piece of heaven and thus made ordinary music seem mundane, grey, and boring?

or if a goddess, or siren sang for you, and suddenly it was like the world did not matter anymore and you were thus forever enraptured in their beautiful spell so that you could no longer think of anything but their voice?

Still, it's not like it would ever happen, so I guess impossible goals are fun to strive for - and that is my musical philosophical rant!

At 9/22/08 06:06 PM, S3C wrote:

At 9/22/08 12:32 PM, Chronamut wrote: epic bump!

and yes I had a relevant reason for bumping my thread :3

I had an interesting brainstorm the other day - one giant reason over the past few years of me creating music was to break the barriers of sound quality until one day I would create something so masterfully wonderful and godlike that it wou8ld make regular songs sound like crap. But then I wondered, If I did that, wouldn't I be destroying million's of users average anjoyment of music all over the world?

I don't see how that would happen. There is no such thing as a "godly song" in EVERYONE's eyes.:

i agree that everyone won't see a song as godly, especially considering everyone doesn't listen to the same genre. (now if you somehow combined all the genres together to make a godlike genre...) anyways back to the point, i do believe you can make a godlike song for a good amount of fans of a certain genre. because that kinda happened to me... see i pretty much liked all music up until the point where i really got into metallica and megadeth. Now most rock just bores me :( ... i sometimes miss the good ol' days. The point is that i am a constructivist and i believe that not everyone can agree on a single godly song, but people do have they're individual preferences.

but to start a new topic if anyone wishes... the infamous: What is Rationality?

At 9/22/08 06:41 PM, HellSpawnIV wrote: but to start a new topic if anyone wishes... the infamous: What is Rationality?

the ability to look skeptically at everything - including your own beliefs of course.