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aaight u got something to discuss then deflektor? :P

No,in fact,i don't have something to discuss.I'm talking about YOU or others who want to discuss seriously.Me,i'm not able to discuss about something without getting crazy.

Let's discuss wheather this glass is half empty of half full!

At 8/15/06 03:56 PM, Chronamut wrote: I dont see how it matters as once again you have totally hijacked a thread and scared everyone away from posting in it - if this thread gets locked so be it - its already dead.

Nope, i have followed the topic, whether people want to talk about other aspects of philosophy is not my responsibility. Dont blame me just cos people seem to have said all they're going to say. Also to darkloud, yay, i have a moron who considers me so important they have to follow me round and insult me. Thank you for boosting my alledgedly galaxy sized ego, really.

Much as chronamut wants to strangle me, i doubt he'll thank you for spamming up "his" topic. Go away, you horrible little man. Our disagreements about your ability to talk sense and say anything of interest already have a topic thats been hijacked, so i'll meet you in there if the fancy takes me.

and deflektor,i dont know you, and whilst you previously seemed reasonable and have some sense, you currently seem like a mindless nerd, so i might have to start a thread where people who have no idea what the difference is between a heated debate and a flame war can see the difference.

All in favour of saving this thread ignore this post.

At 8/15/06 04:22 PM, Noe3 wrote: Let's discuss wheather this glass is half empty of half full!

Wouldn't it be better to first determine if it is actually a glass?

Personally, I don't subscribe to the half-empty / half-full (or rathar half-fool) nonsense.

It's just an oversimplified exercise to make a base determination of ones outlook on life used to classify someone as a pessimist or an optimist...

If everything were so simple that it could all be boiled down to a binary state; happy/sad - hot/cold - pessimist/optimist - heterosexual/homosexual - right/wrong -then we would have no need for philosophy at all...

And along those lines, how do you think that personal philosophy affects morality? Now apply it to others... Does it still fit?

A compelling argument, but I still say its half full!

And now that I have read that I shall avoid talking about philosophy as much as possible feeling greatly inferior to above poster...

At 8/15/06 04:46 PM, Noe3 wrote: A compelling argument, but I still say its half full!

( me too - but I wuz just tryin' to sound smart )

:D

funny - i always thought it was just religion and politics discussion that would make people hate each other - seems its any discussion whee someone might be proven wrong..

At 8/15/06 04:43 PM, LJCoffee wrote:

At 8/15/06 04:22 PM, Noe3 wrote: Let's discuss wheather this glass is half empty of half full!

Wouldn't it be better to first determine if it is actually a glass?

Interesting, does the glass actually exist, or is it merely a range of electrical energy made to look like a glass?

Personally, I don't subscribe to the half-empty / half-full (or rathar half-fool) nonsense.

It's just an oversimplified exercise to make a base determination of ones outlook on life used to classify someone as a pessimist or an optimist...

If everything were so simple that it could all be boiled down to a binary state; happy/sad - hot/cold - pessimist/optimist - heterosexual/homosexual - right/wrong -then we would have no need for philosophy at all...

Hmmm, an intruiging point *bites own tongue*

And along those lines, how do you think that personal philosophy affects morality? Now apply it to others... Does it still fit?

Hmmm good and evil.

Can people be said to be entirely good, entirely evil, or something in between. Is it in fact, possible, for someone to be entirely good or evil.

What can be said to truly define a human being, is it their attititudes and intents, or their actions?

If a man who works hard, cares for his family, gives money to worthwhile charities and looks out for his community, goes out and commits horrific rape and murder and keeps it from his family, is he truly evil? My instinct says, YES, but my mind says, "eeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, probably, but i cannot actually PROVE it"

any thoughts anyone?

At 8/15/06 05:04 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: If a man who works hard, cares for his family, gives money to worthwhile charities and looks out for his community, goes out and commits horrific rape and murder and keeps it from his family, is he truly evil? My instinct says, YES, but my mind says, "eeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, probably, but i cannot actually PROVE it"

any thoughts anyone?

DUDE WTF!!?

I thought we agreed that was between us... man, I trusted you!

And you just HAD to tell everyone didn't you...

Only one way to fix it now... I'll be by in about 15 min.

what? I can't make a joke in bad taste?

thx for the comic relief ljcoffee :P

News report : spamwarrior has been found hanging by his guts from a tree. A mysterious graffiti tag on the victims face reading LJ GOT YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID, BITCH has left police mystified.

The party starts in 5 minutes, BYOB.

hehehe :P

I clearly should've imitated a mods account for that post, it would've been worth getting banned for.

ah well.

A bit of philosophy/metaphysics. (still not sure if metaphysics is the correct word, lol)

Is it possible that for every time you have to make a decision, up until you make that decision, all the possible results of that action exist as an alternate, perhaps parallel reality?

i think i fail at philosophising, let me know if i do.

i think that that glass is all the way full, because it looks like a stacking of one glass, upon another.

At 8/15/06 06:06 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: I clearly should've imitated a mods account for that post, it would've been worth getting banned for.

ah well.

A bit of philosophy/metaphysics. (still not sure if metaphysics is the correct word, lol)

Is it possible that for every time you have to make a decision, up until you make that decision, all the possible results of that action exist as an alternate, perhaps parallel reality?

i think i fail at philosophising, let me know if i do.

naw you dont - there is actually a big theory on that and "john" from the future stated that that was actually true.

I stole the idea from pratchett's trousers of time theory.

so to extend my questioning further, if these parallel realities exist, is it ever possible to reach out and touch them, and to speak to these other you's ?

after all, you'll share the same brain and experiences up to that point...

apparently yes it is possible - its also possible that if you were to go back in time one second you'd recreate like a billion versions of yourself..

who says its possible? i'd love to see some kind of proofing for such a mad concept.

ok, next one

i know heisenbergs uncertainty principle was first made to mock that branch of questioning, but what is everyone elses view.

If you put a cat in a box, and fill it with poisonous gas. Is the cat alive until you open the box?

common sense says, its dead, yeah, but common sense ALSO says, you cant believe something to be fact until you see it.

At 8/15/06 09:02 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: common sense says, its dead, yeah, but common sense ALSO says, you cant believe something to be fact until you see it.

That is until modern science developes a way to observe vital signs while the cat is in the box

; it's mind boglng o.0

Another one, borrowed from pratchett i think.

Right, knowledge, is contagious. It is passed on to students by teachers, from parents to their children, from friend to friend. this is pretty much obvious.

The question is, is stupidity also contagious? If exposed to enough stupidity, do you feel like you actually become stupid too?

At 8/15/06 11:08 PM, Noe3 wrote:

At 8/15/06 09:02 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: common sense says, its dead, yeah, but common sense ALSO says, you cant believe something to be fact until you see it.

That is until modern science developes a way to observe vital signs while the cat is in the box

; it's mind boglng o.0

Which can now be done perhaps, you know, hospital gear stuck on the cat before it goes in the box.

But, if the vital signs drop, is the cat actually in the box? You cannot know for certain until you open it.

At 8/15/06 11:13 PM, SpamWarrior wrote: Another one, borrowed from pratchett i think.

Right, knowledge, is contagious. It is passed on to students by teachers, from parents to their children, from friend to friend. this is pretty much obvious.

The question is, is stupidity also contagious? If exposed to enough stupidity, do you feel like you actually become stupid too?

yes.

an obvious example of this is simply going into the general forum - or reading half the threads that have been popping up here recently - I feel stupider already.

also another theory - the smart people have a hard time reproducing - while the idiots have no problems at all - thats why there are so many stupid ppl.. and not enuff smart ppl.. also stupider ppl are generally happier.. because they are stupid - smart ppl are more depressed because they over-analyse everything - and I can relate to that - thinking too much makes you sad :(

also about the future john guy clicky HERE

:P

The big words in this thread scare me.

At 8/16/06 10:12 AM, Chronamut wrote: also about the future john guy clicky HERE

Ravings of a madman... nothing more...

Time travel has not, is not, and will never be possible. Anyone who makes any such claims is either flat out lying or is delusional.

I can prove this.

It does not currently exist - none of you are capable of time travel.

You cannot "return" from a future without traveling to the "past".

Along a timeline, should travel to the past ever occur then it would set off a cascade of events that would (effectively) instantly result in all persons having this technology or knowledge as well as any other tech that might ever be discovered at any time - all at once.

example - year 3067 - quantum physicists perfect the directed temporal distortion field and time travel is "born"

There would be an infinite number of possibilities that from THAT point on into the future that someone would use the technology to travel BACK in time...

Let's say, for arguments sake that DTDF technology is closely gaurded for... 90 years..

Year 3157, DTDF facilities are compromised and a few people pack up all available DTDF research and go back to stop World War 7 in 2988.

Year 2988 - researchers set up the "first" successful directed temporal distortion field and time travel is "born"

Starting to see what I mean?

At the same time - an infinite number of possibilities exist for any number of people from any point forward have DTDF technology that allow them to travel "back" to an infinite number of possible past "destinations".

Any and all technology that will EVER be discovered or invented will be brought back a bit at a time to any number of earlier times - (think how many people might want to "steal" the technology by "inventing" it at an earlier age)

This continues until all possible technology finds it's way back to any number of times that for US would be thousands or even millions of years ago - and of course, any technology worth a damn that we had in the past would either still be used or would be in some state of development.

Woop! - someone in the year 42016 just randomly picked the year 2000 to go back to - they thought that by coming back to that year with future weapons they could take over and be the world dictator... Too bad that 1542 years later someone else went back to the year 1990 to do the same thing - but with better technology... Sucks for them huh?

The fact that we do not have it - or any other "future" tech, is absolute proof positive that a linear timeline allowing for relocation and/or travel does not and will not ever exist.

Do not try to argue this by giving me some "alternate reality" or "multidimensional" crap either - unless you have evidence that it's anything more than a mere possible idea, thought or concept.

And I already know that someone out there will come up with some bizarre "restriction" in an attempt to rebutt this post - let me guess - "Yeah but what if it's like the terminator movie where only living things can go back and you can't take anything with you - then there wouldn't be any technology brought back - only what people know and they would be considered crazy anyways...and...and...and...and..."

To which I say "Yes, but what about the possibility that the technology is impoved on a thousand years later that allows to to take whatever you want with you..." Then what?

It won't ever happen.

At 8/16/06 12:21 PM, LJCoffee wrote:

At 8/16/06 10:12 AM, Chronamut wrote: also about the future john guy clicky HERE

Time travel stuff...

What, of course time travel is possible you dumbass! Have you ever seen "Back to the Future". Those films are all true stories based on real events...............

At 8/16/06 12:34 PM, GoreBastard wrote: Have you ever seen "Back to the Future". Those films are all true stories

Well... yeah, I guess there is that...

sorry.

I'm getting sick of LJ and his bullshit.

... Time travel.

Time Travel is possible, watch this I'll make the whole bottom half of this page about it... done

dare you to prove me wrong = P

Is it just me or do I have the only black icon.