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At 9/4/06 03:03 PM, PiePie wrote: I have a question though the scoring system and all that the person who comes in 1st does not mean they won right? It is after all Utah's choice.

Basicly you can say that there are 2 different contests. One is what Utah chooses, and then we have the "independent judging". The word "independent" (independent from Utah, to be more precise)isn´t 100% independent, beause utah picked the ones who qualified for the top 20.

Now it´s up to the judges to vote, and when all votes are in a winner will be announced on radiogrounds.com by _altr_ as a DJ. The show will have a few cool things going on, but more info about that later on.
Obviously all scores must be in order for that show to be able to announce the winnerm so yeah, more info to follow... :)

At first the show was supposed to be today, tuseday, but due to me getting owned by technical problems and short on time (hey, i was moving about the same time previous month too!:) there is a delay. I have still not recieved all judgements, so im gonna take call in a few backupjudges.

Now I hope we can get a date for the show, and as it looks, we´re looking at the weekend, so that as many as possible can follow the show, we get time to word it out, and all that jazz!

Meh, now it looks im being kicked out of here in 30 min, gotta get to work fast :)

Time is winding down OMG.

People are retarded. I think that if you can't do what you signed up for, dont sign up.

If you say you're going to do something, you should be bound to doing it correctly.

that is the weakest link in all the audio contests. Reliable judges. I don't blame them, it is quite energy consuming writing reviews, especially when you are asked to do it, instead of when you're feeling "generous"

If it helps, for the independent judging, i'll drop my entry and become a backup judge.

At 9/5/06 03:10 PM, MaestroRage wrote: that is the weakest link in all the audio contests. Reliable judges. I don't blame them, it is quite energy consuming writing reviews, especially when you are asked to do it, instead of when you're feeling "generous"

If it helps, for the independent judging, i'll drop my entry and become a backup judge.

You don't need to do that maestro. It wouldn't be fair to yourself.

And it's not so hard. I gave 10 decent length reviews 5 in one night the other 5 the next morning in less than an hour.

If judges arn't judging they have no excuses I feel. If there are misunderstandings or problems (which happened with me at first but it is fixed now) that is understandable but to just not do what you VOLUNTEERED for is... I feel lazy, selfish, and unfair.

Tho' that's just my opinion. And of course; it's not something i'd exactly hate or hold a grudge against a person for. It would just be an inconveniance.

~MS

Of course there may always be unforeseen circumstances. I don't think Rucklo would select a judge who would purposely delay the contest.
Let's just file this under the unavoidable inconveniences of getting started on a legendary project!

I hate to have to wait until weekend for the results though.

In terms of past happenings like this, I have to face up...I was a judge for last month's contest, and failed to get my reviews in because my computer got totally fucked...So sorry about that one.

This month I got everything in on time though ^^

Meh, judging happens when it happens, doesn't bother me, I'm a pretty patient person.

At 9/5/06 08:55 PM, CptnJarrrrrydn wrote: Meh, judging happens when it happens, doesn't bother me, I'm a pretty patient person.

That's the spirit!

I want them to take as much time as they need to make sure they do a good job of it.

make sure you set date for radiogrounds I wanna hear that show!

At 9/5/06 10:22 PM, PiePie wrote: make sure you set date for radiogrounds I wanna hear that show!

second! :)

I dunno dude... i didnt actually know there was a contest for making tankmen audio :| godamot... well my shitty version is in the Heavy Metal genre called

"TANKMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" heres the link to my shit...

http://www.newground..655692&sub=58749

a tad late are we ;)

Anyone who was either already contacted by Rucklo or who is interested in participating as a backup judge please drop me a PM.

Not sure where Rucklo is - I know he's pretty busy at the moment - Rucklo can yell at me if I'm messing anything up but I'd like to try to get some results put together - I know that several of you are very anxious to see the results.

My offer still stands, if results are not coming in fast enough I am willing to drop my entry for the individual judging.

At 9/6/06 10:48 PM, LJCoffee wrote:

Not sure where Rucklo is - I know he's pretty busy at the moment - Rucklo can yell at me if I'm messing anything up but I'd like to try to get some results put together - I know that several of you are very anxious to see the results.

hum didnt i send you the list of who are the backupjudges yet? meh, im more dizzy than i thought...

However, there will be no announcing the winner until the radioshow is ready to air. Thats the whole point of the radioshow, making things more intereseting... also we might get some special guest or so too... we´ll see what happens in that show :)

i´ll send you the list of twho has the backup thingies right now, LJC!

Also, once again i´d like to apologice for this taking so long. But if the finale can be made better with adding a few days, then i preffer doing it this way.

Also, it´s important to remember, for you who are starting to get anxious, that everyone involved are doing this on their sparetime and for free (well, technically not Utah, but im quite sure that his job description says nothing about helping out with some forum-audio contest :)
It´s important to understand that not everything always goes as planned.

There is no official deadline (except i had one for the judges), also keep hat in mind.

However, I too want the announcing out a.s.a.p, but like i said, if it can get better with adding a few days, then that´s how it´s gonna be!

It´s not a dumb thing to actually expect future MAC´s to take a week or two for the judging and whatever have to be done. Just because the sign up is closed doesn´t mean the results will be out the next day, allthough that´s what the goal is!!!!

I hope you all have understanding for this!

I understand completely.
(Actually I had already said that, but it felt so rude to immediately change the subject)
Question: will the radio show be available for download?

At 9/7/06 04:36 AM, WinTang wrote:

Question: will the radio show be available for download?

Yeah I hope so, we talked about it and _altr_ was gonna check out what options there are. I belive not everyone will be able to listen to it live, so we´ll have to take care of that one way or another.

Also, there will be a complete list (with links) when all is announced and done in this thread, of course!

Perhaps in order to help get scores in faster, instead of starting judging after the entries are out, entries can be judged as they stream in.

So for example, if you have 6 judges.

1st day - 4 songs entered.

First four judges given those songs, judges 5, and 6 not going anything.
J1:1
J2:1
J3:1
J4:1
J5:0
J6:0

2nd day - 3 songs entered.

first judge gets second song to judge, judges 5 and 6 get one song.
J1:2
J2:1
J3:1
J4:1
J5:1
J6:1

etc etc, until all songs are done coming in.

its a good idea, but then it must be decided from the beginning that ALL songs wil recive judging. Also as of now, each song that get judged recieve not only one, but four judgements from four different judgings.

"streamed" judging is a good idea, but it´s also quite unreliable, since one can never know how many ppl will actually sign up for the contest. also there is a risc that judges would drop out after a week or two... those are the cons.
do you have any more pro´s and perhaps twists and ideas? shoot ´em out :)

make the judges give the address out so if they don't give the reviews fast they can expect Rucklo and Ljcoffee at there door with a bat and a pipe.

At 9/7/06 02:43 PM, Rucklo wrote: its a good idea, but then it must be decided from the beginning that ALL songs wil recive judging. Also as of now, each song that get judged recieve not only one, but four judgements from four different judgings.

It is definately not a system that can be used for contests such as this, but on a realistic level I do not think situations like this will arise in great quantity, so a standard judge system should be designed to handle the contests that are inside normal parameters.

That is I believe why you deemed backup judges a necessity, seeing as there is NO system that can be designed to gaurantee a judge will remain.

"streamed" judging is a good idea, but it´s also quite unreliable, since one can never know how many ppl will actually sign up for the contest. also there is a risc that judges would drop out after a week or two... those are the cons.

For this reason I also believe that contestants SHOULD be able to judge as well should they choose to, just not their own song. Why? Because having a judge's piece in the contest will be a greater incentive to do the work they promised to do, seeing as their own work is in the contest and by pressure alone, may get judges to get up and do the work.

Another con would be whatever song submitted by person MUST be the final song, seeing as changing their mind will make judges do pointless work, and trust me, that will piss the judges off, and thats never a good thing for future contests.

do you have any more pro´s and perhaps twists and ideas? shoot ´em out :)

The pros to this is of course, instantaneous results when deadline hits, or at the most 2 days after deadline ends to enable a day of lazyness, and perhaps a day to get the remaining few songs judged.

And to handle the multiple judgement situation multiple judges can be assigned the same song, in a matrix grid. Of course, keeping tabs and track will be up to the co-ordinater, which I assume is either you or LJCoffee as of this date.

So

Day 1 - 4 songs entered
(Songs designated a number by arrival, so 1 is... well song 1

J1: 1 - 2 - 4
J2: 1 - 3 - 4
J3: 2 - 3
J4: 1 - 2 - 4
J5: 2 - 3
J6: 1 - 3 - 4

Day 2 - 3 songs entered
J1: 1 - 2 - 4 - 5 - 7
J2: 1 - 3 - 4 - 6 - 7
J3: 2 - 3 - 5 - 6
J4: 1 - 2 - 4 - 6
J5: 2 - 3 - 5 - 6 - 7
J6: 1 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 7

If a judge leaves, a backup judge takes the load, of whichever songs were left, or if all the songs were unleft, then all of them. Should the load be too large then the songs be dispered evenly (not all of them) amongst the other judges.

I´ll be away for +24 hours from an internet connection. I´ll be back around saturday evening greenwich time.

LJCoffee have the authority to take direct decitions if needed, othervice like i said, ill be back saturday evening.

It might happen that _altr_ pops up and announce a time and date for the radiogroundsshow, so stay tuned!!!

In case shit hits the fan once more, if you want to be a backupjudge, you can POST IN THIS THREAD and say so!!!

At 9/7/06 07:07 PM, MaestroRage wrote: good judging system and all that jazz :)

its a good idea, i´ll have to talk with LJCoffee about it too, he´s the man with the judging system :) Also, at the moment i really dont have time to sit down and think about it... :( hook me up on msn or whatever if you want to talk it out. PM me for msn.

Well, bump. I can't stand this thread to be on page 2 when the winner will be announced so shortly.

as it seem now it´s tuesday that´s the new date for the show. I had some MORE problems with the judging, and shit really hit the fan last week here...

so tuesday it is, and this should be definite, unless _altr_ says othervice.

I gotta wrap things up tomorrow evening when i get home, im at a friend now...

sorry to keep everyone waiting, but this is things that can happen, and untortunatley i´ve been extremley busy with my irl, had loads of techincal difficulties and just bleh.. :-/

I wish this contest was advertised a little better than this. I just found about this contest and I think that I have some very valid and good submissions that would apply to this. Can we get the word out about future contests on the front page or something? How long have Ya'll been doin these?

It's pretty hard to advertise this on the frontpage me thinks. But then what if it was advertised and that there would be some 60 to 100 submissions... it would be pretty hard to manage the whole thing... I think it's ok like it is.

It's good to know that things are coming along nicely Rucklo. I don't mind the wait one bit, good things take time to make. Sorry to hear you've been having problems though...

At 9/9/06 01:36 PM, JDSpidey wrote: I wish this contest was advertised a little better than this. I just found about this contest and I think that I have some very valid and good submissions that would apply to this. Can we get the word out about future contests on the front page or something? How long have Ya'll been doin these?

it was advertised on front page Tom Fulp wrote about it when it began.