What you think of N. Korea?

[bloody-me]

I think that if we leave them alone they'll think its ok to act the way they are and it will end in someone getting the fuck blown out of them

[JMHX]

I think we need to address the issue carefully, but not ignore it like President Bush is doing. They have activated their reactors, removed United Nations monitoring equipment, and given us the hint that 'Hey, we have nukes.' Of course, the Taipo Dong, as Nemesisz says, is unlikely as a candidate to fly over a nuclear weapon to Seattle to deliver some imported Korean mushrooms. I think...this is just a case of Dr. Evil Syndrome. I'm not going to speculate as to a solution, since I'm unfamiliar in the field of dealing with a nuclear threat that actually has enough backing to be a real threat. A full invasion isn't too likely, since China would most likely get involved again, and they have the nuclear weapons, too. Oh well.

[agent66]

I live in Seattle and I'm not very worried, The fact remains, if they launch a missle at us(one that is untested mind you) and it hit our country, they would cease to exist. They know that. Their only use for it is as a deterent. Don't give them a reason to launch and they most likely never will.

[Slizor]

I have two views, one idealist and one realist.

You could have all nations giving up all nukes and all attempts to get nukes. With about 500 kept as a deterrent by the UN, and any such "Star Wars" device under UN control.

My other view is that we should let people get as many nukes as they want. They are such devestating weapons that no-one would use one first. It worked in the Cold War, why not now? The other advantage is it would foster a multi-polar world where other nations are actually consulted.

The quite depressing thing is that the US (read West) wants it both ways. They want to have as many nukes as they want, yet they don't want any other country to have them.

[WadeFulp]

At 2/27/03 08:28 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: I think we need to address the issue carefully, but not ignore it like President Bush is doing.

That's a foolish thing to say. Do you really think the President of the United States of America is ignoring a major situation like North Korea??? I'm sure he's got teams and teams of people monitoring North Korea. They probably are in talks with North Korea's neighbors 24/7 and are watching them like a hawk. North Korea won't get away with anything for long.

[AukeSam]

The REAL problem in N-Korea aren't the nuclear bombs! Is't all about communism! If communism is expelled from N-Korea, the problem is almost solved! The poverty will slowly disappear and they aren;t a "threat" anymore!

[JMHX]

At 2/28/03 09:14 AM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 2/27/03 08:28 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: I think we need to address the issue carefully, but not ignore it like President Bush is doing.

That's a foolish thing to say. Do you really think the President of the United States of America is ignoring a major situation like North Korea??? I'm sure he's got teams and teams of people monitoring North Korea. They probably are in talks with North Korea's neighbors 24/7 and are watching them like a hawk. North Korea won't get away with anything for long.

President Bush hasn't had any direct statement besides something along the lines of 'we're going to take care of it'. Funny how Korea is showered with (aid) money and they have nukes, and Iraq is going to be showered with bombs when we don't know if they have nuclear weapons or not.

[lapslf]

that's because korea hasn't got any oil.

[AukeSam]

At 2/28/03 11:30 AM, Veggiemeal wrote: that's because korea hasn't got any oil.

Thank you! You're absolutely right!
I've done this a lot of times and I konw the quality isn't good, but:

[mysecondstar]

the korean penninsula is the most fragile regions in the entire world. everything that goes on in that area should be handled with kid gloves. one wrong move by anyone could spell trouble with global ramifications. kim jong il, the last ruler of any stalinist state, may be one of the most erratic person in the world. and that isn't good when you have one of the largest standing armies in the world. his actions are usually made without much warning. if is this whole situation isn't dealt with, we may have the makings of world war three. and i'm in no hurry to see that happen.

chew on this: the US and the UN demand that all nuklear programs in north korea stop immediately. the north koreans may see this as an act of aggression against their soveriegn state and start firing shells into Seoul. the US will condemn the actions of the north against its southern ally and start massing troops to the region, as we are known to do. then all of a sudden the entire world is picking sides. China will take the north koreans due to the fact that they share the same kind of government. the russians may not officially take a side, but they will most likely sympathize with the communists. most of western Europe will be with the United States, and before you know it everyone in the entire world is involved. we are literally standing on the brink of chaos and no one seems to know it.

[lapslf]

Man, what are you? a leftover from the cold war? N Korea is a eeny weeny little country, wich you can blow to their maker with one little atom bomb. China isn't that communistic anymore, and they have bigger concerns than defending some silly little country. And Russia choosing Korea's side? That's bullshit and you know it. where have you been for the last ten years? Russia is NOT communistic anymore, in case you haven't noticed. Russia wants to accquire international bussinesspartners to boost up their fucked up economy, so the last thing they'll do is go against the western countries and support a stupid tiny country wich isn't of the least importance for them.

[Perseph0ne6]

At 2/28/03 09:14 AM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 2/27/03 08:28 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: I think we need to address the issue carefully, but not ignore it like President Bush is doing.

That's a foolish thing to say. Do you really think the President of the United States of America is ignoring a major situation like North Korea??? I'm sure he's got teams and teams of people monitoring North Korea. They probably are in talks with North Korea's neighbors 24/7 and are watching them like a hawk. North Korea won't get away with anything for long.:

But he is ignoring it as far as the public is concerned, and I'm pretty sure that what JudgeMeHarshX meant. Besides, though Bush is almost certainly updated on what's being done through intelligence in N. Korea, I would be surprised and confused if he was actually orgistrating anything to those operations.

[Perseph0ne6]

At 2/28/03 09:14 AM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 2/27/03 08:28 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: I think we need to address the issue carefully, but not ignore it like President Bush is doing.

That's a foolish thing to say. Do you really think the President of the United States of America is ignoring a major situation like North Korea??? I'm sure he's got teams and teams of people monitoring North Korea. They probably are in talks with North Korea's neighbors 24/7 and are watching them like a hawk. North Korea won't get away with anything for long.:

But he is ignoring it as far as the public is concerned, and I'm pretty sure that what JudgeMeHarshX meant. He's neglected it in his agendas and adresses to the media.

Besides, though Bush is almost certainly updated on what's being done through intelligence in N. Korea, I would be surprised and confused if he was actually orgistrating anything of those operations.

[Perseph0ne6]

Sorry, I had some trouble posting

[cjmour]

the whole north korea thing is really scary to me personally. i am going to be joining the air force in september. so i'm not to worried about the whole iraq thing. but north korea is next. the only way we are going to get into a war with them is if our president, mr. dumbass bush desides to start one, which is very, very possible. and personally scared the shit out of me.

[NEMESiSZ]

The only good thing about N. Korea is how the soldiers march in a star formation...that's awesome...

[karasz]

I still stand by the belief that if you make a trade with North Korea, they will give up their nukes if we give them food, and let the UN inspectors back in... but people say it will make teh US look weak by giving into those that act bad... to which i ask, so? if other countries can be changed with a bribe I suggest we bribe them... besides would anyone DOUBT america's military might?

the thing is Bush is not worrying about this as he should... the president HAS to be able to handle more than 1 thing at a time... the only president i can think of that only worried about 1 thing for as long as Bush has is his dad...

[Soundbyte2kx]

N. Korea is under he controll of a very insane man. KJI is not stable, he is obsessed with daffy duck cartoons in much the same way hitler was obsessed with Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. Maybe we'll see him ousted within my lifetime, but he does have a large standign army backing him... we'd need a mass of people with lots of wartime skill... like all the starcraft players in South korea... (who keep OWNING me online who ever heard of a protoss rush???)

[Grinwald]

Duhhh, I'm JudgeMeHarshX, I'm a fucktard. No, we're not ignoring it, the media is just covering Iraq more. Wouldn't you if you were out for ratings?

[JMHX]

At 3/3/03 03:30 PM, Grinwald wrote: Duhhh, I'm JudgeMeHarshX, I'm a fucktard. No, we're not ignoring it, the media is just covering Iraq more. Wouldn't you if you were out for ratings?

When your best response is 'fucktard', I don't think your statement makes very much impact. Maybe when you learn to get out of fifth grade. Just maybe.

[mysecondstar]

At 3/1/03 10:04 AM, Veggiemeal wrote: Man, what are you? a leftover from the cold war? N Korea is a eeny weeny little country, wich you can blow to their maker with one little atom bomb. China isn't that communistic anymore, and they have bigger concerns than defending some silly little country. And Russia choosing Korea's side? That's bullshit and you know it. where have you been for the last ten years? Russia is NOT communistic anymore, in case you haven't noticed. Russia wants to accquire international bussinesspartners to boost up their fucked up economy, so the last thing they'll do is go against the western countries and support a stupid tiny country wich isn't of the least importance for them.

if you haven't noticed, the mojority party in Russia is the communist party. regardless of economic backing they will sway towards a communist country.

also, the US will not deploy a nuclear weapon on anything without provocation. period. in fact, the only use for nuklear arms is to scare the living shit out of everyone. it's a tool for diplomatic gain and nothing more.

you're right, north korea is small. it's approximately the size of indiana. so with the weapons we possess today detonated on such a small land mass will have major repurcussions in the entire area. that includes South Korea and it's capital which just happens to be 20 miles off the border, not to mention China and the contamination it could spread to water (pyoungyang, the capital, is a coastal city) which will all but destroy the fishing industry in the far east affecting not only the Koreas and China, but the Far East as a whole.

furthermore, regarding china, the last thing they want is a US-backed country directly on their border. I believe that US could defeat the north koreans soundly. China is still incredibly isolationist aside from their economy. they are also very suspicious of anyone and everyone. having an "enemy" at the gate peering over isn't what they'd call a good time. just like the first Korean War, they'll support the north at all costs. why do you think it was a stalemate instead of a UN victory?

by the way, communistic isn't a word. i think that just about covers it.

[InSaNeFooL]

First of all I'd just like to defend communism for a little bit (dodges the onslaught of angry americans)...
Communism works pretty much the same way as democracy, in theory they both want equality amonst their people, in reality all forms of government to date have been little more than dictatorships. Sure in most democratic societies there is a right to vote (though the candidates...let's not get into that) but in the end whomever you voted for is just a figure-head for those who really control the country. How much say do any of us really have in anything???
Moving right along...
N.K is just pissed off that America is trying to run the world. They're simply the first one's to publicly state that they're fucking pissed and are going to blow shit up. An understandable (though poorly executed) statement.
It's basicly the school yard all over again. The big kid starts telling everyone what to do and the little dude in the back tells him to kiss his ass.

-ME "Whatever happened to the good ol' days when the only thing to talk about was who the president banged? ;)"

[JMHX]

The Chinese might end up getting involved and making it another Korean War. I would have hoped that the Chinese were wiser by now, but you can't really put anything past them. They DID do that whole spyplane thing. I'm still not over that.

So stubborn, China. So, so stubborn.

[IndecentXposure]

silly koreans

[JMHX]

Now that's just tasteless.

[mysecondstar]

that just isn't right, buddy.

[Soundbyte2kx]

heh, see, this is not an issue of the US Vs. North korea. N.K. is effectively a hazard to themself and others. Kim Jong Ill has blackedout the entire country. if we were to attack, we'd take out all his strategic points first, since they still have electrical power.

As for Korea, it would be WAY easier to do in Kim Jong Ill then Saddam... all we'd have to do is have the South Koreans handle it... Maybe with some assistance from their japanese allies.

not to steriotype, but i believe that the typical Southern korean has more then the skills necessary to overthrow north korea. Troop management,resource allocation, strategic planning...

I mean, the worlds top-ranking starcraft players are South Korean... the nation knows how to handle a Zerg rush...

However, in this case, N. Korea dosn't have a prayer. with no discernable infrastructure (other then one to get their leader whores and booze) the nation will crumble under the first millitary attack wave.

[mysecondstar]

At 3/5/03 03:12 PM, Soundbyte2kx wrote: heh, see, this is not an issue of the US Vs. North korea. N.K. is effectively a hazard to themself and others. Kim Jong Ill has blackedout the entire country. if we were to attack, we'd take out all his strategic points first, since they still have electrical power.

As for Korea, it would be WAY easier to do in Kim Jong Ill then Saddam... all we'd have to do is have the South Koreans handle it... Maybe with some assistance from their japanese allies.

not to steriotype, but i believe that the typical Southern korean has more then the skills necessary to overthrow north korea. Troop management,resource allocation, strategic planning...

I mean, the worlds top-ranking starcraft players are South Korean... the nation knows how to handle a Zerg rush...

However, in this case, N. Korea dosn't have a prayer. with no discernable infrastructure (other then one to get their leader whores and booze) the nation will crumble under the first millitary attack wave.

north korea's army is much larger than saddam hussein's.

also, you completely forget the China factor. China will feel provoked if they have a democratic country directly on its border. it makes them nervous.

plus, if anyone would attack first, it would be the north. and they could push down to Pusan so fast, we may have well lost all of South Korea. let's not also forget that Seoul is one of the most populated cities in the entire world. evacuating a city the population of 12 million in a country the size of indiana is NOT the easiest thing to do.

plus with someone as erratic as kim jong il, there's no telling if he'll use his nuclear weapons against us at any given moment given circumstances right to him. casualties would be huge. and America doesn't want a war with huge casualties. they want something simple and relatively easy like iraq or Afghanistan. also, kim jong il can see if the US is massing troops in Korea. he might consider that enough provocation to attack first. so this scenario isn't as cut and dry as you'd think.

[IndecentXposure]

At 3/4/03 07:49 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Now that's just tasteless.

Shutup You babies. That's Kim Jong Il and he deserves all the little penis propoghanda that he gets.

[Grinwald]

North Korea is just trying to be a big kid, which is why they're specifically harassing us, the most powerful kid on the international block. It's a good bet, although not perfect, that China will put economic pressure on them and Japan and South Korea will subtly continue hinting at military reprisals along with the US and North Korea will back down. Or they'll launch a missile and get invaded. It's hard to tell with maniacs like Kim Jong-il.