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Kale: considering I just proved what you said wrong, I would like a responce. So how about this:

You give me one HUGE list off all the evidence in one post, and I'll disprove it all, K?

wouldnt***** fall at freefall speed. sorry.

At 8/4/06 09:06 PM, slaughterMYdaughter wrote: wow,i didnt know youtube can store a hour video.

That made me lol.

Anyway, you can't be serious.

The fucking buildings swayed like 10 feet when it was windy out, and you're going to try to say a jumbo jet packed with fuel couldn't bring them down? I would never buy that.

At 8/4/06 09:52 PM, GamesCool wrote:

At 8/4/06 09:06 PM, slaughterMYdaughter wrote: wow,i didnt know youtube can store a hour video.

That made me lol.

Anyway, you can't be serious.

The fucking buildings swayed like 10 feet when it was windy out, and you're going to try to say a jumbo jet packed with fuel couldn't bring them down? I would never buy that.

if you had done any research on the subject instead of talking out of your ass, i would consider what you just said.

At 8/4/06 09:43 PM, marcusisntfunny wrote: This happened five years ago.

That's enough time for all the "conspiracy theories" to run dry.

What about all the theories about the assassination of JFK?

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This all seems a little farfetched, though it would explain George Bush's reaction to the first wave of attacks that morning in the schoolhouse. He seemed rather calm. It would also explain why he didn't read the "documents" that were given to him in August of 2001 at his ranch explaining that Bin Laden was planning an attack.

If the United States was truly desperate to stir up a second Gulf War, it would seem ideal to have the public's full support. I think after 3,000 deaths and a major attack on the country, most of the general American public wouldn't disagree with attacking Afghanistan, and later Iraq.

But of course, that too is extreme and probably very unlikely. But since this thread is mainly about theories, it doesn't hurt to consider things.

At 8/4/06 09:31 PM, mistasmijen wrote: Your telling him to consider his facts when you need to look at yours first. The video is saying that they think the USA was behind the destruction of the pentegon. Not Iraq.

It was Afghanistan :|

And im not a very politicaly involved person, but its easy to see a huge reason why they would do it. Oil. Getting america against Iraq makes war a just decision to invade, and steal oil.

I'm so sick of this talk about oil. If you truly care to examine the statistics, you would discover that the amount of oil in Iraq is worth about 1.something billion dollars, whereas the funding for the war in Iraq has now reached around 15 billion dollars. I'm just surprised so many people choose to believe it is all about oil.

At 8/4/06 10:00 PM, KaleFlame wrote: if you had done any research on the subject instead of talking out of your ass, i would consider what you just said.

You don't need to do any research to determine your claims are complete bullshit.

Hey conspirator that hates America. It was a PLANE that hit the towers. Has it occured to you that the plane hit major support collumns that caused the building to collapse on it self?

Oh thats right. Dumbfucks like you can't think properly.

Before you say that we should leave America, why don't you conspirators leave?

I dont believe it was for oil.

I beleieve it was a pretense for war to invade iraq, and convert the government (as they are trying to do now.. dont even say im lying its in mainstreme news) and mainly to raise the police state and martial law (with such acts as the patriot act).

And to whoever told me that the family of people who died in the attack should stab me? I have relatives who died that day, that is why i do care so much about it, and i feel offended by people who arent giving this a chance at all.

Look guys.. dont even watch the whole movie. Fastforward to David Ray Griffin's presentation. That is all you need to look at. Please if nothing else, please fucking watch his speech, it will answer most of any questions.

You're an idiot. Get a brain.

At 8/4/06 10:00 PM, KaleFlame wrote: if you had done any research on the subject

And you have? lawl

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

The people who think that there's a 9/11 conspiracy, that we went to Iraq for oil, or any other of that BS, are a disgrace upon America, and their opinions should not be held as valid. Someone so stupid to believe such ludicrous crap should be mocked, and nothing less.

I would love to go into detail about why anyone who thinks there was a 9/11 conspiracy is an idiot, but then I realize. There are no many other, intelligent, Ng users who actually take their time ripping the conspiracy theorists a new asshole. Why should I make the same point, if I know that people like LettuceClock, and occasionally Wade, can do it better than I?

I'd rather just sit back and make fun of the conspiracy nutjobs like the idiots that they are, it's so much more entertaining.

Stop trying to give us bullshit falsified information that says America attacked America! If you actually used your head and stop listing to the bullshit that everyone tells you, maybe you will realise that the information given to you on youtube is all fake!

At 8/4/06 10:07 PM, KaleFlame wrote: I dont believe it was for oil.

I beleieve it was a pretense for war to invade iraq, and convert the government (as they are trying to do now.. dont even say im lying its in mainstreme news) and mainly to raise the police state and martial law (with such acts as the patriot act).

This thread is just asinine. It's a waste of NG database space to even argue it.

Stop being to fregin niave. Do you know what would happen if a plot formed by the U.S. government to bring down the World Trade Center was ever exposed? There would be something called a revolution. The U.S. government would be over thrown by the people. Every American citizen would be for the fight.

Just please, shut up as your argument isn't even close to making sense.

Go shwing yourself.
Planes flew into the damn building and it fell down because of that.

If we wanted oil from Iraq, why did we decide to invade Afghanistan first? I mean if the whole motivation was Iraq, why bother?

At 8/4/06 10:03 PM, atomearthmother wrote:

This all seems a little farfetched, though it would explain George Bush's reaction to the first wave of attacks that morning in the schoolhouse. He seemed rather calm.

Actually, I've looked at the tapes, and had the father of a friend of mine who used to do Cold Readings (I.E facial readings) look, and what he is expressing is not "calm", but a mixture of confusion and contemplation.

It would also explain why he didn't read the "documents" that were given to him in August of 2001 at his ranch explaining that Bin Laden was planning an attack.

That's a lot easier to explain. Clinton and his men where the ones pressing for Bush to look into the matter, and it was a man employed by Clinton pushing for a big anti-terrorism plan with the WTC.

If the United States was truly desperate to stir up a second Gulf War, it would seem ideal to have the public's full support. I think after 3,000 deaths and a major attack on the country, most of the general American public wouldn't disagree with attacking Afghanistan, and later Iraq.

No way. Bush knew, going into Iraq, that it would not be a popular descision. Why do you think he made up the WMD lies? Bush never weant into Afghanistan planning on later going to Iraq. He decided on Iraq as an aftermath. Sort of a "Hey... as long as I'm here, I could probably sneak next door all quick like before nobody notices! Heh heh."

But of course, that too is extreme and probably very unlikely. But since this thread is mainly about theories, it doesn't hurt to consider things.

One question; WHY would George Bush do this? If he wanted to go to war in Afghanistan, he didn't need this. Osama was already wanted for acts of terrorism against the U.S and our allies, and the Taliban was already black listed for aiding and abbeting the man. Bush would have only had to assasinate one high up liberal politician, maybe an ex-president, then claim THAT was Osama to set it off again. No reason to kill 3,000 people.

At 8/4/06 09:31 PM, mistasmijen wrote: Your telling him to consider his facts when you need to look at yours first. The video is saying that they think the USA was behind the destruction of the pentegon. Not Iraq.

It was Afghanistan :|

Actually, the terrorists where from Saudi Arabia =/

Christ, it's all the same down there anyway.

I'm so sick of this talk about oil. If you truly care to examine the statistics, you would discover that the amount of oil in Iraq is worth about 1.something billion dollars, whereas the funding for the war in Iraq has now reached around 15 billion dollars. I'm just surprised so many people choose to believe it is all about oil.

Besides, we would have invaded Venesuala. Taken out Chavez AND gotten the oil all in one move. Of course, it's to late now; Chav recently ordered 1,000,000 Kolishnikov assault rifles, which he states where soley purchased to defend against an attack by the U.S he calls "inevitable" =/

At 8/4/06 09:04 PM, KaleFlame wrote: Blah blah blah.

We've all heard conspiracy theories before.

At 8/4/06 09:11 PM, Real-punk1337 wrote: ... the iraqis ...

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, you dolt.

At 8/4/06 10:07 PM, SniperWolf1564 wrote: Hey conspirator that hates America. It was a PLANE that hit the towers. Has it occured to you that the plane hit major support collumns that caused the building to collapse on it self?

Oh thats right. Dumbfucks like you can't think properly.

Before you say that we should leave America, why don't you conspirators leave?

are you kidding me? I'm the complete opposite. Im against the government because they are not upholding the constitution and ammendments. you dont know what your talking about. It hit the main support beam, but at the top you douche. The building wouldnt collapse in perfect symetry, blowing everything to dust. If there were no cutter charges used, then the 47 beams you speak of that held the building up would still be somewhere.

And to whoever said america cant attack america.
think of germany back in world war 2. Did hitler not deceieve his people in the same sense? Your saying just because we are america, that our hands are clean? Thats very closed monded.

At 8/4/06 10:12 PM, Grammer wrote:

Why should I make the same point, if I know that people like LettuceClock, and occasionally Wade, can do it better than I?

Because, you lazy fuck, my I.Q is actually going down having to deal with all these idiots. Shit, back in 2001 I USED to be able to spell right. How about you get infected with the stupidity for once >=(

At 8/4/06 10:20 PM, Lettuceclock wrote: Because, you lazy fuck, my I.Q is actually going down having to deal with all these idiots. Shit, back in 2001 I USED to be able to spell right. How about you get infected with the stupidity for once >=(

The second "your" in your sig should be spelt "you're".

OK, lets look at all the reasons why this theory is utter shit, and the thread starter is a joke.

- If this plot was ever exposed, the U.S. government would be overthrown.
- Terrorists definitely got on the planes, which is shown with video provided by the AIRPORT.
- Osama Bin Laden took credit for the attack. If the U.S. government "hired" him to do this, the second after it was done, he would expose it to cause a revolutionary war.
- If the U.S. government went into Iraq with no evidence of foul play, why couldn't they do the same with Afghanistan?

At 8/4/06 10:22 PM, GamesCool wrote: OK, lets look at all the reasons why this theory is utter shit, and the thread starter is a joke.

- If this plot was ever exposed, the U.S. government would be overthrown.
- Terrorists definitely got on the planes, which is shown with video provided by the AIRPORT.
- Osama Bin Laden took credit for the attack. If the U.S. government "hired" him to do this, the second after it was done, he would expose it to cause a revolutionary war.
- If the U.S. government went into Iraq with no evidence of foul play, why couldn't they do the same with Afghanistan?

The bush and binladin family have been business partners for years, since george's father was in office. The bush family wouldnt even have much of their wealth if it werent for them. Have you ever considered why bin ladins family was flown out of america on 9/12 when EVERY single other plane was grounded. The bush family wanted to protect their friends, and that is why binladin was never found.

and the government wont be overthrown because of narrow minded people like yourself who dont even give it a chance. not even a chance. you believe everything you hear and it is branded in your mind. you believe it because it is easy to believe.

and about getting into iraq with no foul play? Have you forgotten about "the wepons of mass destruction" that bush swore to god were there. They were never there and he never thought they were. He just wanted access to iraq.

At 8/4/06 10:29 PM, KaleFlame wrote: you believe everything you hear and it is branded in your mind.

You must be doing an excellent job then because he doesn't believe you.

At 8/4/06 10:20 PM, KaleFlame wrote:

At 8/4/06 10:07 PM, SniperWolf1564 wrote: Hey conspirator that hates America. It was a PLANE that hit the towers. Has it occured to you that the plane hit major support collumns that caused the building to collapse on it self?

Oh thats right. Dumbfucks like you can't think properly.

Before you say that we should leave America, why don't you conspirators leave?

are you kidding me? I'm the complete opposite. Im against the government because they are not upholding the constitution and ammendments. you dont know what your talking about. It hit the main support beam, but at the top you douche. The building wouldnt collapse in perfect symetry, blowing everything to dust. If there were no cutter charges used, then the 47 beams you speak of that held the building up would still be somewhere.

Like I said, the plane hit major support collumns damaged the building. When the plane fuel exploded (did you forget fuel can explode in large quantities?) it damaged other collumns that caused the building to collapse, and that is tons of steel and concrete collapsing on itself!

And to whoever said america cant attack america.
think of germany back in world war 2. Did hitler not deceieve his people in the same sense? Your saying just because we are america, that our hands are clean? Thats very closed monded.

So you are saying that it is okay for you to decieve us in your attempts to gain attention for yourself?

Christ almighty Kaleflame.

STOP FUCKING POSTING.

I already proved you wrong once. You ignored me. I then asked you to respond and disprove what I said. You ignored me.

I then argued with some seperate shit you said. You ignored me.

If you want to just give your aguments and ignore whoever stomps all over your shit, then go somewhere else.

At 8/4/06 10:29 PM, KaleFlame wrote: and the government wont be overthrown because of narrow minded people like yourself who dont even give it a chance. not even a chance. you believe everything you hear and it is branded in your mind. you believe it because it is easy to believe.

and about getting into iraq with no foul play? Have you forgotten about "the wepons of mass destruction" that bush swore to god were there. They were never there and he never thought they were. He just wanted access to iraq.

OK, I'm done with this arguement because we can all clearly see you've lost it completely.

Are you HONOSTLY trying to say, not jokingly, that if it was exposed that the U.S. government planned 9/11, the government would not be overthrown? LMAO. Yeah, that's fine, the U.S. government just killed 4,000 innocent people, but that's OK. I'm sure no other countries would say "Wait a second. The U.S. government just killed a ton of innocent Americans, and they have hundreds of nuclear weapons. Lets not do anything about it" Are you fucking kidding me? All of the powerful countries would assist the U.S. in overthrowing the current government. So that's that.

Also, they made up an excuse for Iraq, that's exactly my point. They couldn't make something up to go into Afghanistan? lol. Bullshit. Here, I'll give them one "We intercepted a letter from Bin Laden stating there was going to be an attack on America" There's your excuse right there.

Please, shut up.

At 8/4/06 10:29 PM, KaleFlame wrote: The bush and binladin family have been business partners for years, since george's father was in office. The bush family wouldnt even have much of their wealth if it werent for them. Have you ever considered why bin ladins family was flown out of america on 9/12 when EVERY single other plane was grounded. The bush family wanted to protect their friends, and that is why binladin was never found.

Has it occured to you that Osama has a tunnel network that he and his allies understand? When the U.S. army finds a escape route, Osama will have mostlikely have found another way out.

At 8/4/06 10:33 PM, SniperWolf1564 wrote:

So you are saying that it is okay for you to decieve us in your attempts to gain attention for yourself?

for the love of god im not trying to get attention. im trying to get this idea out there for people who havent heard of it. Im not trying to deceieve anyone.

And letuceclock, im ignoring you because your posting without watching the press confrence with david ray griffin in the video. You are posting without considering what i want you to watch. Why should i post my counters to you, when it is all answered by the video i wanted you to see in the first place.

You know, I just realized something. Our good friend KaleFlame here has been watching too much of the new season of the popular Fox series, 24. During the last season, the president was working with terrorists.

KaleFlame, I'm saying this as a worried peer. You need to get a grasp on reality. That show isn't real. I think you need help.

At 8/4/06 09:06 PM, slaughterMYdaughter wrote: wow,i didnt know youtube can store a hour video.

Dude, there's some 2 hour movies on Youtube! :O

At 8/4/06 10:39 PM, KaleFlame wrote: for the love of god im not trying to get attention. im trying to get this idea out there for people who havent heard of it. Im not trying to deceieve anyone.

Yes you are. You are not using your head and thinking here. You are trying to decieve us into thinking that 9/11 was a plot made by the government.