DO YOU VOTE?

[karasz]

Just wondering if anyone here votes, and why, and how old you are if you do/dont.

2 reasons really 1) a person at school is trying to get the 18-25 year old age group to mobilize to vote, so it got me thinking about here. 2) this is not a thread concerning iraq, colombia, stupidity or anything else we are all sick of...

I'm 19 and NO... personally i dont see voting matter; and since im registered in PA, but go to school in RI i know of nothing about the candidates in PA so i do the smart thing and not vote.

[Raptorman]

What about national elections? I'm sure you hear more then enough to form an opinion on those. I always leave blank anything that I either don't know or don't have an opinion on.

[Ted-Easton]

I do vote, but it won't be till February 2004 that Canada gets pried out of the icy cold grip of death of Chretien, so it's while yet for Federal elections, and McGuinty is getting my vote for Ontario's provincials.

[TheEvilOne]

I can't see how the people on this board can have such strong opinions and not vote, unless they're underaged. Yes, I vote.

[Renegade51]

Im not legal age yet, got a few months to go. But I doubt I will. Could be I'm lazy, or dont care.

[karasz]

At 2/26/03 08:45 PM, TheEvilOne wrote: I can't see how the people on this board can have such strong opinions and not vote, unless they're underaged. Yes, I vote.

my rationale is no 1 vote has ever made a difference in any election...

I am also well aware in the 1876 presidential election, due to the unknowing of 20 or so electoral votes congress set up a 15 man commision, 7 dems, 7 reps and 1 ind... then the reps made the 1 ind (that was a justice on the supreme court) a state senator and the rep controlled congress voted in another rep and every questionable electoral vote went to the Rutherford B. Hayes even though Samuel J. Tilden only needed 1 electoral vote... and so the dems didnt get too pissed off Hayes said he wouldnt seek re-election. But, i mean come on, what are the odds of that happening?

[TheloniousMONK]

I'm not old enough yet, but I would jump at the opportunity to vote. I'd rather vote at sixteen than get my crummy driver's license.

[Slizor]

I may just miss out on the next election, it depends when Tony Blair calls it. I will vote, but I want to see what the state of the Opposition Party is. If the tories are weak, I'm voting Lib Dem, if the Tories are strong, I'm voting Labour.

[TheEvilOne]

At 2/27/03 01:57 AM, karasz wrote: my rationale is no 1 vote has ever made a difference in any election...

I am also well aware in the 1876 presidential election, due to the unknowing of 20 or so electoral votes congress set up a 15 man commision, 7 dems, 7 reps and 1 ind... then the reps made the 1 ind (that was a justice on the supreme court) a state senator and the rep controlled congress voted in another rep and every questionable electoral vote went to the Rutherford B. Hayes even though Samuel J. Tilden only needed 1 electoral vote... and so the dems didnt get too pissed off Hayes said he wouldnt seek re-election. But, i mean come on, what are the odds of that happening?

I can understand why people would think their vote doesn't make much of a difference, but you could also argue that there might be a case where someone wins an election by 100 votes because 101 people didn't come to the polls because they felt their vote didn't make a difference.

The 1876 election was every bit as fucked up as the 2000 election. If I recall, the Republicans and Democrats made a deal where the Dems would allow Hayes to become president if the Republicans agreed to end reconstruction in the South. Things like that probably do produce thought that one's vote doesn't really count.

[ZenGaijin]

I just turned 18 but i plan on voting from now on because boy do i hate GeeDubya.

[catinga]

Yehhh bs!!!!

[Freakapotimus]

I'm 24, and I vote.

I also believe in the right not to vote. Many people are not interested in or know enough about the candidates or the debates to make a clear decision.

[DrNatchKilder]

I 'm not old enough, but i think i won't vote.

Personally , i don't trust at all the voting process

[PantyWipe]

i vote only when there is a decision being made that will effect me or the people i know

[Ted-Easton]

I think people have every right to not vote, but as long as they don't, they don't have any right to complain about the government.
Throw away one right, and you lose more.
Doesn't make a whole lotta sense to throw one away, does it?

[JMHX]

I'm just a bit shy of voting age, but curse the political candidates who make stupid points when I'm able to.

[Slizor]

I think people have every right to not vote, but as long as they don't, they don't have any right to complain about the government.

They have every right to complain about the Government, even more that the people who did actually vote. If you vote then you accept the system, but if you don't vote then you are rejecting the system and the results of it.

And since the other voting topic was locked, something I don't think should have happened, I would like to point out that America also uses a First past the post system, ie the one with the most votes in an area wins.

[Ted-Easton]

Ok, if you consciously decide to not support any canditates, but if you just decide not to vote because "voting's for fags" or "bush is ghey", then you shouldn't be complaining.

And what other system would you rather they use?
One with the least votes in an area wins?

[karasz]

At 2/27/03 06:13 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: Ok, if you consciously decide to not support any canditates, but if you just decide not to vote because "voting's for fags" or "bush is ghey", then you shouldn't be complaining.

And what other system would you rather they use?
One with the least votes in an area wins?

least votes win... thats hysterical, like anyone in America could win by getting LESS votes... (im not going to finish the thought because everyone knows what is next and if u dont then u didnt follow the 2000 election)

the system is fine, to a point, i dislike the people that vote because its their civic duty, but not knowing anything about the candidates, that is why the election process is a joke. If you have the last radio spot that the person hears before gettin out of their car to vote, odds are tehy will vote for you, or nothing beats the people that vote for whoever is from their party despite what that person stands for, that is the kind of shit that annoys me.

[NEMESiSZ]

Voting is all hype.

[mightypotato]

18 and not yet, I'm registering soon when the Elections Canada people come around my neighborhood so I can vote in the upcoming Federal/Provincial elections.

[catinga]

Vote is important

[SchiesterSpear]

Many people complain about how the government is corrupt and how bad they have it yet they dont vote.

IF YOU DONT VOTE STFU ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!!

If you dont even exercise your RIGHT to vote and even attempt to change what you dont like, your opinion on the issue doesnt matter. The whole my vote doesnt count bullshit is just a lame excuse. Get your lazy ass up and go and do something about it rather than bitching about it because nobody cares.

If the 18-25 voting group would actually vote politicians would be kissing your ass. Why do you think they always appeal to older voters? Its because they turn out in record numbers to vote since they have nothing better to do!! I guarentee that if our generation actually voted, there would be as much change as we wanted since we are the largest voting group out there now, the baby boomers are starting to disappear and it about damn time we got our voices heard.

[Shaunt]

I would vote if I was old enough...

[Ted-Easton]

At 2/27/03 09:16 PM, karasz wrote:

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least votes win... thats hysterical, like anyone in America could win by getting LESS votes... (im not going to finish the thought because everyone knows what is next and if u dont then u didnt follow the 2000 election)

I know what is next, I was kidding.

[Slizor]

And what other system would you rather they use?

There are hundreds of systems which are far more democratic than the one they use. I can't really be bothered to explain, but look up AMS (additional Member System) which is used in the Scottish Assembly. You have to remember that theoretically a person with no votes can win an American election.

[EXECRADOR]

To vote is to give up your own power to others people.
it's very easy to think to delegate is a good idea , because since in the school they teach us with the system of voting in agreement with the democracy model that we have.
Don't Vote!
Kill your only thought !

[DrNatchKilder]

At 3/2/03 09:14 AM, EXECRADOR wrote: To vote is to give up your own power to others people.

Not at all, you still retain some of your power (i would like to see what you would do with your so-called "power")

it's very easy to think to delegate is a good idea , because since in the school they teach us with the system of voting in agreement with the democracy model that we have.

But the anrchism model also uses this idea!! You are contradicting yourself!!

Don't Vote!

I agree, your vote doesn't count at all.

Kill your only thought !

Perfect. All the people thinking the same isn't a very colorful world

[Grinwald]

No one vote made a difference on a national scale, but thank God we don't have more people like you who don't crap on the rights much braver men have fought and died for you to be able to enjoy.

[DrNatchKilder]

At 3/3/03 03:24 PM, Grinwald wrote: No one vote made a difference on a national scale, but thank God we don't have more people like you who don't crap on the rights much braver men have fought and died for you to be able to enjoy.

yeah, sure, what can say a person who lives in a country in which people wins elections with LESS votes than the other candidate....

I respect the ideals of those "braver men" , but they were fighting for ideals that, nowadays, are bit rusty.... I won't deny the historical influence of the US 2 centuries ago in Europe with their Constituion but those laws are 200 years old... don't you think its time to change them?