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At 8/3/06 04:10 AM, DarkNati0nX wrote: My reasons why the (Iraq) war was not a mistake is that the terrorists had been attacking the U.S. Remember back to the year 2002 of the Twin Towers.

A terror attack does not give you the right to invade a country. Also Iraq had nothing to do with WTC, althou Saudi's were (supposedly) the main perps..

If a terror attack was enough reason to invade another country then False Flag operations would be rife around the world. Infact that's why there are 911 conspiracists.. because the events that followed (lying about WMDs, invading Iraq, Patriot Act, etc) make it look like EXACTLY like a False Flag op.

Also the war isn't the mistake, its the U.S's tactics in the war that is.

..which amounts to the same result.

Just thinking...Im wondering what other people should've done if they were Bush.

I not going to fuck around with going was a big mistake. We are there, that part is over, anyone whining and sniveling over such trivial bullshit at this stage needs to get the picture.

I agree, pulling out would do nothing but let the country fall into civil war causing a taliban of sorts (and I'm refering to radical religous control) to arise in Iraq and there would be lots of death.

The difference, however, that I see between Iraq and Japan is that Japan was one people. Japan attacked the United States personally. And Japan lost in a large full scale war which all of its people originally supported due to religous zeal aimed towards the Emperor of Japan. Since the entire country went through almost the same ordeal they were united. Iraq is a different situation because the people are biggots. Spin it however way you want, they are religiously intolerant towards the views of others and are violent about it. With out some sort of movement from their people for piece and not from an outside source, I don't see any solution... well there is one.

America could be complete assholes, piss off Iraq to teh extent where Iraqis unite to kick us out of their country and somehow we manipulate them into getting a government that isn't religously centered so that it would be intolerant of others. It wouldn't be benificial to the U.S, but pulling out isn't going to do anything for us. Putting more troops will probably only increase resistance. Even if we took complete control of the country there would still be militant groups, I don't think you could break the will of the people just by sending more soldiers to put them down.

The result is lost in cause and effect, and I can't see a solution. Only time will tell.

At 8/7/06 09:10 AM, gumOnShoe wrote:

I not going to fuck around with going was a big mistake. We are there, that part is over, anyone whining and sniveling over such trivial bullshit at this stage needs to get the picture.

Whos whining? Theyre arguing what the troops and Bush should do and the results of that choice.

I agree, pulling out would do nothing but let the country fall into civil war causing a taliban of sorts (and I'm refering to radical religous control) to arise in Iraq and there would be lots of death.

Obvious..

The difference, however, that I see between Iraq and Japan is that Japan was one people. Japan attacked the United States personally. And Japan lost in a large full scale war which all of its people originally supported due to religous zeal aimed towards the Emperor of Japan. Since the entire country went through almost the same ordeal they were united. Iraq is a different situation because the people are biggots. Spin it however way you want, they are religiously intolerant towards the views of others and are violent about it. With out some sort of movement from their people for piece and not from an outside source, I don't see any solution... well there is one.

Yes I totally agree.

America could be complete assholes, piss off Iraq to teh extent where Iraqis unite to kick us out of their country and somehow we manipulate them into getting a government that isn't religously centered so that it would be intolerant of others. It wouldn't be benificial to the U.S, but pulling out isn't going to do anything for us. Putting more troops will probably only increase resistance. Even if we took complete control of the country there would still be militant groups, I don't think you could break the will of the people just by sending more soldiers to put them down.

True and same with the earlier posts.

The result is lost in cause and effect, and I can't see a solution. Only time will tell.

True theres no possible solution right now, but I seriously doubt there will be any solutions in the future if we just wait.

We shouldn't half assed recontrusct Iraq. Bring in the tanks and smash it all down and get teh insurgents, then build up from the ground to em[hasize the new times. Leave no trace of the old regime. It might cost more, but it'd be better for us and for them. Look at how well that worked with Japan. We blasted their ass.

At 8/8/06 07:39 PM, Durin413 wrote: We shouldn't half assed recontrusct Iraq. Bring in the tanks and smash it all down and get teh insurgents, then build up from the ground to em[hasize the new times. Leave no trace of the old regime. It might cost more, but it'd be better for us and for them. Look at how well that worked with Japan. We blasted their ass.

This is a entirely different case.
If we haven't tried to help Iraq then the Iraqees might feel hostile toward America.
Bring in the tanks and they bring in guns. It matters because some of those buildings are religious buildings i don't think they will let you tear it all down. No it wouldn't be good for us or them, because it would cost the US billions and political enemies will see it as an advantage. We 'blasted' their ass with 2 atom bombs so they would surrender not to be tottaly erdicated of their homes or things.