See Plus / See Plus Plus

[Momo-the-Monkey]

Is there a difference between the pronunciation of "See Plus" and "See Plus Plus"

Are they both C++? or is one C+ and the other C++?

If they are different.....which should i learn?

[THESWIRLINGVERTEZIAM]

theres C and C++
thats it.

[0x41]

At 7/23/06 09:39 PM, Momo_the_Monkey wrote: Is there a difference between the pronunciation of "See Plus" and "See Plus Plus"

Are they both C++? or is one C+ and the other C++?

If they are different.....which should i learn?

There is no such thing as C+. First there was C then C++ came as an enhancement to the C language. You can go decide which one to learn on your own, there's no point in asking others what you should be doing.

[DFox]

You don't mean see pound (C#) do you?

[0x41]

At 7/23/06 09:45 PM, GamesCool wrote: You don't mean see pound (C#) do you?

You mean C Sharp?

[DFox]

At 7/23/06 09:46 PM, 0x41 wrote: You mean C Sharp?

Whatever C# is.

[Momo-the-Monkey]

nah, not C#

A Rocket Engineer (a friend) told me that i should learn "See Plus"

I wasn't sure if there was something else, or if she was just talking about C++

[White-Rhyno]

I often truncate 'See Plus Plus' to 'See Plus' simply, because I'm a lazy bastard (Bjarne Stroustrup must be rolling over in his grave (Yes, I know he's still alive (Whoa, triple arentheses))). I know I shouldn't, as C+ is a language itself, but it hasn't been used in like, 50 years or something.

[Momo-the-Monkey]

At 7/23/06 09:59 PM, White_Rhyno wrote: I often truncate 'See Plus Plus' to 'See Plus' simply, because I'm a lazy bastard (Bjarne Stroustrup must be rolling over in his grave (Yes, I know he's still alive (Whoa, triple arentheses))). I know I shouldn't, as C+ is a language itself, but it hasn't been used in like, 50 years or something.

m-kay.... Tanky for the advice or something.......

(lol, who's Bjarne Stroustrup? (Why isn't he dead? (Ya i kuh-no...isn't this awsome?/ TRIPLETS BABY!!)))

[eWhabs]

At 7/23/06 09:43 PM, thisisobviouslyanalt wrote: theres C and C++
thats it.

C+ IS a language, but is dead since a long time, don't ask me why (surely cause it sucked)
:P

[Bioprobe]

Some people around here keep saying C+ is a language, but I challenge you to find information on it. Apparently none of you understand the meaning of the unary operator ++. C debuted in 1972. C++ came in 1983. C++ is just object oriented C. There never was a C+. If you are going to keep saying there is such thing as C+, please present the evidence to support your claim as I would be interested.

To answer the topic question: Learn C++. Object Oriented Programming (OOP) is a concept you must know to program today (well, not MUST seeing as you can use a language that is not OO, but it is a very important concept that you will see time and again).

[thoughtpolice]

At 7/23/06 10:32 PM, Bioprobe wrote: Some people around here keep saying C+ is a language, but I challenge you to find information on it.

http://en.wikipedia...e_name_.22C.2B.2B.22

Last sentence, first paragraph in that subsection. Then of course you also have this if you just want a direct link and don't want to read.

Here's a tip: that took less than two minutes to find.

Apparently none of you understand the meaning of the unary operator ++.

It's not that none of us understand the meaning of the ++ operator in a C/C++ program, genius. If you're just talking about the word's etymology, then understand that over the years, there have been quite a lot of interpretations of the language's official name due to the fact people interpret and and say things in a way that another might not understand fully, or the point might just not be clear enough. (To put it simpler: the reason there've been so many stories about the name "C++" is purely due to the fact when people spread things, those things many times get changed every time they're told. It's somewhat analogous to the way gossip works.)

C++ is just object oriented C.

Yes, maybe in the past, today, it's its own language really. There are *major* incompatabilities with the C language, which is why the two should always be seen as two different languages. While generalizing things by saying it's "just this" or "just that" can be useful in many instances (to simplify things), you have to understand there are a lot of people here who will take that literally, as they don't know any better.

There never was a C+. If you are going to keep saying there is such thing as C+, please present the evidence to support your claim as I would be interested.

Considering my previous links, I'll just go on the assumption that you're wrong and you don't know how to search (or even use wikipedia, maybe?)

To answer the topic question: Learn C++. Object Oriented Programming (OOP) is a concept you must know to program today (well, not MUST seeing as you can use a language that is not OO, but it is a very important concept that you will see time and again).

Object-oriented programming as your only arguement for learning a language is a weak one. While you're correct in saying that it's an important concept that you'll see time and again, the implication (at least the one I'm getting) that you won't see other paradigms (such as functional and procedural programming) as much or that they're not as important is wrong.

[White-Rhyno]

At 7/23/06 11:39 PM, KurtGodel wrote: Object-oriented programming as your only arguement for learning a language is a weak one. While you're correct in saying that it's an important concept that you'll see time and again, the implication (at least the one I'm getting) that you won't see other paradigms (such as functional and procedural programming) as much or that they're not as important is wrong.

The problem with a lot of beginner programmers is that they think OOP is a language, rather than a design paradigm. You can use OOP with C. In fact, using OOP with C will probably make you a better C++ programmer.

[thoughtpolice]

At 7/24/06 01:40 AM, White_Rhyno wrote: The problem with a lot of beginner programmers is that they think OOP is a language,

Never encountered a case study like that. But then again it's a beginner, so I'm not holding any grudges.

You can use OOP with C. In fact, using OOP with C will probably make you a better C++ programmer.

You can also do object-oriented programming in assembly, it's just that C++ provides language constructs to make it easier. However, trying to imitate OOP concepts in a language like C can greatly benefit you in both languages. Not only would you get a better general view of Object-orientation from a standpoint in which you implemented it yourself, but it's a great way to sharpen your skills in a language and you will most likely become very familiar with things like pointers and data structures.

[Locriology]

I never knew how to pronounce C#. Usually I say "C number sign thingy".

I wonder if anyone actually knows...

In music, it'd be C-sharp, if it were a phone, it'd be C-pound, but it's a computer language...

[Afro-Ninja]

At 7/24/06 02:17 AM, Locriology wrote: I never knew how to pronounce C#. Usually I say "C number sign thingy".

I wonder if anyone actually knows...

In music, it'd be C-sharp, if it were a phone, it'd be C-pound, but it's a computer language...

It's C-sharp

[CronoMan]

ABCL/C+ :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABCL/c_plus

[thoughtpolice]

It seriously astounds me how people cannot search at all.

Here's an example: many people don't know how to pronounce "C#." Even though I do, for the sake of the arguement, let's say I don't and I want to find out how to say it correctly. Here is what I do:

I go to wikipedia and type in "C#"

It leads me to the article regarding the character "C," but seeing how wikipedia has disambiguation notices, I decide to look through them for a hint. I see this quote:

"Also, due to technical limitations, the article on the C# programming language is located at C Sharp."

If that didn't tip me off enough, if I click the link to the actual article about the language. I read for half a second and I see this at the VERY start:
"C# (see section on naming, pronunciation) is an object-oriented programming language developed by Microsoft..."

If I go down to that section and just gloss over it, I can find this in under 2 seconds:
"... and pronounced "C Sharp"."

Seriously people, it's not that hard. Sorry for getting so pissed off over such a trivial point, but that's just a simple example. There are a lot of things you could figure out with a basic wikipedia search, and you could spare us the grief of answering such trivial questions for you.

[White-Rhyno]

At 7/24/06 02:05 AM, KurtGodel wrote:

At 7/24/06 01:40 AM, White_Rhyno wrote: The problem with a lot of beginner programmers is that they think OOP is a language,

Never encountered a case study like that. But then again it's a beginner, so I'm not holding any grudges.

I wasn't particularly clear. What I meant to say is that they treat OOP as if it were a language, and hence use it whenever possible, rather than when useful.

[JeremysFilms]

At 7/24/06 02:51 AM, Afro_Ninja wrote: It's C-sharp

Nah, it's 'See Octothorpe'
Proof my my genious: Octothorpe!!!! < click

[CronoMan]

At 7/24/06 08:50 AM, JeremysFilms wrote:

At 7/24/06 02:51 AM, Afro_Ninja wrote: It's C-sharp

Nah, it's 'See Octothorpe'
Proof my my genious: Octothorpe!!!! < click

Haha, can't figure out why MS didn't call it C-octothorpe :P that would be so much cooler, and newbies would just skip descussing it because they can't pronounce or spell it correctly :D "i need help wit a lang plz C-octgfasgfassgda plzplz i need hleop now"

[greenjoe]

At 7/24/06 09:06 AM, CronoMan wrote: Haha, can't figure out why MS didn't call it C-octothorpe :P that would be so much cooler, and newbies would just skip descussing it because they can't pronounce or spell it correctly :D "i need help wit a lang plz C-octgfasgfassgda plzplz i need hleop now"

I lol'd. I always thought it was called "C-Number" until I started learning it. Why do C and C++ and C# have such boring names anyways. They should get with the times and call it something like "C-CRAZY!" or "C to shining C". Names like that would get more people interested in programming. Well, at least more people who are under 300 pounds and don't speak Klingon.

[CyberLemming]

At 7/23/06 10:01 PM, Momo_the_Monkey wrote: (lol, who's Bjarne Stroustrup? (Why isn't he dead? (Ya i kuh-no...isn't this awsome?/ TRIPLETS BABY!!)))

uh.. the guy that MADE C++?

[Locriology]

At 7/24/06 03:55 AM, KurtGodel wrote: Seriously people, it's not that hard. Sorry for getting so pissed off over such a trivial point, but that's just a simple example. There are a lot of things you could figure out with a basic wikipedia search, and you could spare us the grief of answering such trivial questions for you.

In all fairness, no one asked you to give an answer. I was joking around. I am aware that I could have looked it up, but I felt that would have ruined the fun. But it appears you have done that for me.

Don't become one of those stereotypical angry NG BBSers.

They should get with the times and call it something like "C-CRAZY!" or "C to shining C". Names like that would get more people interested in programming. Well, at least more people who are under 300 pounds and don't speak Klingon.

How about this:

Visual -R##+-² Basic OOP Coffee

"Visual negative r-sharp-octothorpe plus minus squared basic oh oh pee coffee"

Who's ready to learn it?

[thoughtpolice]

At 7/24/06 12:47 PM, Locriology wrote: In all fairness, no one asked you to give an answer.

First, that post wasn't even directed at you, (you were just the tipping point if you know what I mean, no offense.) Second, the point in my last post is that searching isn't very hard and by doing it you save people who *are not* required to answer any question you might have from the grief of doing it for you. Yours was only a very trivial example. I never meant it to say you in particular couldn't search. I was using your post as an example to get my point that 'searching is not as hard as you'd think' across.

But it appears you have done that for me.

Glad to be of service.

[Bioprobe]

:KurtGodel

I actually did search. I wanted to find a language called "C+", but as your link shows, the language you keep calling C+ is called ABCL/c+ and I think this is becoming a name dispute.

[thoughtpolice]

At 7/24/06 01:41 PM, Bioprobe wrote: I actually did search. I wanted to find a language called "C+", but as your link shows, the language you keep calling C+ is called ABCL/c+ and I think this is becoming a name dispute.

Doing a google search on "C+ programming language," the first link lead me directly to the C++ wikipedia article along with this particular sentence highlighted by google: "C+ was the name of an earlier, unrelated programming language. ..." The second result was a direct link to the ABCL/C+ wikipedia article itself.

I will agree with you however, that technically speaking, just calling it "C+" is a misnomer and probably many people have been thrown off by it. It's just one of those things that happens over time to something such as a name, I suppose.

[Locriology]

At 7/24/06 01:41 PM, KurtGodel wrote: I never meant it to say you in particular couldn't search. I was using your post as an example to get my point that 'searching is not as hard as you'd think' across.

Believe me, I agree. There is an unbelievable number of people around here who will ask on the forums for somethings stupid like what the capital of Canada is. Durrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Sir-Davey]

I think Delphi should have been called Inc(Pascal)

[elbekko]

P++ :D