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Ban Breast-Feeding? How about banning stupidity...

At 7/22/06 09:09 PM, o_r_i_g_i_n_a_l wrote:

I guessed as soon as red_skunk said:

because health is obviously not a large priority

i was curious more about whether or not the masturbation thread was as "serious" as this one.

It's the United Statse of America for crying out loud. Surely there's better shit for the world's strongest nation to concentrate it's efforts on.

I mean really, grow the fuck up.

At 7/22/06 10:44 PM, shi_huangdi wrote:

At 7/22/06 09:09 PM, o_r_i_g_i_n_a_l wrote:

I guessed as soon as red_skunk said:

because health is obviously not a large priority

i was curious more about whether or not the masturbation thread was as "serious" as this one.

No, the author admitted it wasn't. he simply found some anti-cannabis data and replaced the word 'cannabis' with ‘masturbation’.

wow, that explains a lot...i feel slightly retarded.

At 7/22/06 10:51 PM, shi_huangdi wrote: wow, that explains a lot...i feel slightly retarded.

The thing is, there's so many nuts (mostly fuelled by religion, but not all) that it's believable to think these are real views.

At 7/22/06 02:56 AM, MortalWound wrote: I believe that if one derives pleasure from it, it's sexual. Tell me of a mother or baby who derives pleasure from breastfeeding intentionally.

You don't think that getting fed is pleasurable? You don't think that relieving a swollen breast isn't pleasurable? Pff. All parties involved in breast-feeding get pleasure from it – that's the single reason why the act is still perpetrated. Base pleasure.

Says millions of years of evolution.

What sort of response is that? You think it's instinctual to suck on a breast? Prove it. I can just as easily say that it's a learned habit, passed down from generation to generation. The baby raised on a bottle will instinctually reach for the bottle, not the breast.

Every damn day of the week. Example: you go to the mall and see a really hot girl and your natural intict is to have sex with so you can pass on your genes. Now, we've managed to tame this urge for the most part. Another example:

Your mall example is irrelevent. I don't act on that natural instinct. I don't go over to the woman and start dry-humping her. You're proving my point.

She is not forcing it upon her child. A child cries because it's hungry, then mother gives it some food. A baby can't legally consent but once it's done, it stops. No mother ever forces the childs head right back onto her breast and if there is one, give me an example and asource that is not one sided.

An infant is not able to legally consent to this sexual act. It doesn't matter if actual physical force or intimidation is involved. It's a legal issue.

I have a problem with how some women discharge it.

This is a lousy aruement on my behalf here but perhaps the mother can't afford a breast pump. what is she gonna do then? get her hubby to suck them? I don't think so. That grosses most guys out. and if there is another method of extracting milk, please tell me.

I already addressed this argument. There are costs associated to having a child. If you can't afford it, then perhaps you shouldn't have a child. Do we let children run around naked because the parent's can't afford clothing? Hardly. We call child services.

how so? The deffinition you posted said pornography and a naked picture is pornography. If it wasn't then a few years back i could have looked at all the naked women i wanted to. so please explain my absurdity.

A naked picture is not pornography. The intent determines whether something is pornographic or not. Look up the definition of pornography.

At 7/22/06 03:08 AM, RedScorpion wrote: Otherwise, please show a source that states breastfeeding produces sexual stimulus.

"women find that having their breasts stimulated by the child can be somewhat erotic."

"In addition, prolactin has a relaxing effect, causing the breastfeeding woman to feel calm, even euphoric, during the feeding.
...
I usually respond that breastfeeding is very natural, but not automatic; rather, it is a learned process that develops between mother and baby as they learn to know each other, and learn better ways of obtaining milk through some basic techniques and education."

"Some even feel more sexual than their bottle-feeding peers, finding breastfeeding an extremely pleasant, and even sensual, experience that can translate into amorous feelings for their partner. Nourishing a baby can also give women a renewed appreciation for their body, an attitude that may rub off in the bedroom."

"women find that breastfeeding makes them more comfortable with and confident about their bodies, making them more sexually responsive than ever.
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The hormone oxytocin, which triggers the milk ejection reflex, is the same natural hormone that causes uterine contractions during labor, that shrinks the uterus back to its normal size after delivery, and that produces uterine contractions during sexual intercourse. Since breastfeeding and sexuality are seldom discussed in our society, most couples discover quite by accident the startling connection between orgasm and milk ejection. As a woman climaxes during lovemaking, oxytocin is released and milk spontaneously sprays from her breasts as an amazing reminder of the inextricable link between the sexual and nurturant roles of the breast.
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When a woman is lactating, it is only natural for her partner to fantasize about suckling her swollen breasts and tasting the milk."

I'm getting bored.

Says mother nature.

That response makes no sense. I asked for proof that there is a natural instinct to suck on a breast. You said "mother nature." What?

Who says that breastfeeding is an 'Unnatural instinct'?

? No one, as far as I've seen. It's not instinctual at all as far as I'm concerned.

Instincts provide a guiding role to ensure survival.
The instinct to survive is just one of many examples. Fear is a mentionable instinct to this end.

No they don't. In modern human society we are guided almost entirely by learned behaviors. Fear is an emotion, not an instinct. A fear of heights might be called instinctive, yet people live and work in skyscrapers. Instinct trumped by learned behavior.

At 7/22/06 03:12 AM, Goliath- wrote: An infant doesnt have the mental power to choose anything besides basic motor skills, and they still have trouble doing that.

Agreed.

Thats why the mother has the responsibility and right to make the decisions of the child until it can talk, and in a larger sence until it graduates school. At which point it can say "No thanks mom, I dont want any more of your breast milk".

Incorrect. Yes, the parents have a responsibility to care for a child. But that necessary care does not include sexual contact and titillation.

At 7/22/06 11:47 AM, HighlyIllogical wrote: Actually, the medical benefits of breast-feeding are numerous.
You get:
Mother's antibodies, for one, but it also decreases the risk of SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome).

Those are benefits of breast milk, not breastfeeding.

At 7/22/06 12:16 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: Because it would be impossible to enforce. You going to have cops raid peoples houses to try and catch moms breast feeding their kids?

Simply because something is difficult to enforce does not mean we ought not to try. Getting people to not murder each other is difficult to enforce. But I don't see you calling for an end to law enforcement.

Would you rather the Police use up money for something that does no damage to either the child or the mother, or would you want it used to stop organised crime and the like which has a hell of a lot more negative effects than breast feeding does.

It's not a question of one thing or the other. Law enforcement today is completely able to both catch murderers and give me traffic tickets. Again, this line of reasoning of yours is flawed.

At 7/22/06 01:09 PM, DarthTomato wrote: some people today are either really bad at being funny, or really, REALLY stupid.

So you're on a real role, arentcha?

At 7/22/06 03:23 PM, SSdraken wrote: So you're saying if your mother started kissing you, you'd be aroused?

I've been indoctrinated to not be aroused. Popular society has told me not to be. An infant has not been socialized yet. Not to mention the fact that they have no sex drive.

I wouldn't be. I doubt mothers are aroused.

Read my previous post, above.

Women have done it for thousands of years.

The fact that it's been done for thousands of years doesn't mean it's a good thing.

People have a right to do what they want,

Sure they do, bub. Sure they do.

At 7/22/06 07:24 PM, o_r_i_g_i_n_a_l wrote: This thread is like watching one of those fly zapper light things....
The just keep coming....

And you were one of the first.. Don't act like a big man just because you think you figured it out.

At 7/22/06 08:58 PM, DingoTheDog wrote: Too me this has little or no relevance to breast feeding. Cannibalism and human sacrfice are a world apart from breast feeding which is down to a maternal instinct.

Again someone appeals to "instinct," yet doesn't make the case for it.

...at this point I suspect I am responding to a satirical thread and by constructing an argument I am making myself liable for jokes at my expense.

... You're a quick one.

(this is satirical, right?)

No.

At 7/21/06 11:24 PM, red_skunk wrote:

I think they have a point. Why isn't it illegal?

because i like boobs.

At 7/22/06 11:50 PM, SevenSeize wrote: My remaining complaint is that you are saying ALL women sexually enjoy breast feeding. The statement should be, "SOME women obtain sexual pleasure from breast feeding."

How do you propose how we determine which ones are obtaining sexual pleasure and which ones aren't? It's a classic case of some bad apples ruining it for everyone. The percentages are anyone's guess. But hopefully I've made the case that sexual gratification is a result of breastfeeding at least part of the time.

At 7/23/06 12:11 AM, SevenSeize wrote: I don't want to determine who is and who isn't or come up with a percentage, I just don't like you lumping all women who breastfeed into one group. Some may get off on it, some don't. Just say some, not all.

You're not debating the fact that some women derive sexual pleasure from breastfeeding.

I propose that deriving sexual pleasure from intimate contact with an infant is wrong. Still with me?

I continue on to say that having aforementioned intimate contact with someone under the age of consent ought to be a criminal act (it already is).

We both agree that it is difficult to determine who is just trying to feed their young, and who is getting off on it.

Thereof because some are using the excuse of breastfeeding to get pleasure, and we cannot determine which ones are to blame, the logical conclusion is to prohibit this behavior. Tell me I'm wrong.

At 7/23/06 12:18 AM, red_skunk wrote: Tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong.

We both agree that it is difficult to determine who is just trying to feed their young, and who is getting off on it.

Thereof because some are using the excuse of breastfeeding to get pleasure, and we cannot determine which ones are to blame, the logical conclusion is to prohibit this behavior. Tell me I'm wrong.

Im sure there are some sick bastards out there who get off on watching kids in a playground. Does that mean we should ban kids on going to playgrounds?

Because people don't want it to be illegal and politicians know that if they try to pursue this it's political suicide.

Red skunk, you must be gay...Who the fuck doesn't want to see some tittys in public? I mean seriously, who the fuck cares about seeing some tits? "Oh, I don't like seeing strangers body parts that are often ascociated with nudity and sex even though I sucked on them for 3 months in a row." Yeah, shut the fuck up bitches, quit crying and brb while I go stare at some tits getting sucked on.

faggots I tell ya!

I have no problem with it. Some people don't want to waste money on something that nature gave them in the first place. It's traditional. Notice that they are only talking about male infants. I think that actually a stance more against infants than mothers. They seem to think that the only possible use for breast-feeding today is for sexual gratification and that's simply not true.

lol shudder

At 7/22/06 09:56 PM, kramlack wrote: Ban Breast-Feeding? How about banning stupidity...

What? You plan on killing yourself then to comply?\

Probably a fuckin breast fed loony. GO BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM!!!!

i was breast fed till the age of fifteen.....

i did me no harm.

This is a stupid argument.

At 7/24/06 03:25 PM, FAB0L0US wrote:

At 7/22/06 09:56 PM, kramlack wrote:

Probably a fuckin breast fed loony. GO BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM!!!!

People that have been breatsfed have tendency's to kill.

Look at Hitler or Stallin, they were breast fed.

LET THIS THREAD DIE ALREADY! THIS IS A HUGE JOKE THIS GUY PUT UP.

At 7/24/06 08:00 PM, osamahunter1 wrote: LET THIS THREAD DIE ALREADY! THIS IS A HUGE JOKE THIS GUY PUT UP.

Really? wow, thanks for letting us know.

I'm sorry, what? You want to ban nursing? What's that? You want to make sure infants never grow up healthty? Whats that? You're a nut case? Guess what. I knew the last one the second I saw this thread. I agree with the guy who said this is apointless argument.

That is so retarded I'm not even gonig to argue...

At 7/23/06 12:25 AM, SevenSeize wrote: But isn't that unfair to the ones not having an orgasm while feeding their young? You know, the whole innocent until proven guilty thing....

Are helmet laws unfair for the people who ride their bikes responsibly? Is it unfair to have basic standards for things like cheese and rope, for the companies who make quality products? It's a case of a few ruining it for everyone, as I've already sex.

Just because some people might have good intentions or not enjoy breast-feeding, it's still harming the infant, and is just as backward and vile as those who purposely get off.

At 7/24/06 09:30 PM, red_skunk wrote: Are helmet laws unfair for the people who ride their bikes responsibly?

Have you ever gotten busted for not wearing a helmet?
I know I havent.

At 7/24/06 09:30 PM, red_skunk wrote: ...as I've already sex.

That's more than a typo....i think someone is frustrated.....

At 7/24/06 09:38 PM, Goliath- wrote:

At 7/24/06 09:30 PM, red_skunk wrote: Are helmet laws unfair for the people who ride their bikes responsibly?

Have you ever gotten busted for not wearing a helmet?
I know I havent.

You're 14, I don't even know if you can legally ride a bike on a road.

At 7/24/06 09:43 PM, red_skunk wrote: You're 14, I don't even know if you can legally ride a bike on a road.

More of a reason for a cop to pull me over.

But still nothing.